Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 18, 2013, 05:23:21 PM
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Starbucks has announced that their welcome to Open Carry customers has been recinded. It was a big deal and got a lot of attention and an influx of customers when it was known they welcomed Open Carry in their "coffee" shops. Now they have put the ship in reverse and said Open Carry is not allowed in their shops or outside seating areas, even in states like Delaware that is a Open Carry legal state.
So, all you people that flocked there a while back carrying are no longer welcome.
Sounds like Bloomberg may be involved???????
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I don't go to starbucks so it doesn't really upset me either way, but there will come a point when they are sorry.
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I thought I saw the interview on the tv earlier, I believe he said they would not ask anyone to leave, they just discourage the practice. It sounds like they are trying to stay neutral and keep both sides happy. I've carried there in the past and I will continue to do so. My weapon is always concealed so it wouldn't matter anyway.
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I thought I saw the interview on the tv earlier, I believe he said they would not ask anyone to leave, they just discourage the practice. It sounds like they are trying to stay neutral and keep both sides happy. I've carried there in the past and I will continue to do so. My weapon is always concealed so it wouldn't matter anyway.
This.
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Wawa and Dunkin Doughnuts better not join them. I'll have to go out and buy a coffee pot!
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Wawa and Dunkin Doughnuts better not join them. I'll have to go out and buy a coffee pot!
Just think of the savings though for more ammo and guns! Oops maybe this backfired on the anti-gunners ::)
ohh and with your new coffee pot you could upgrade to imported Tim Hortons coffee (http://www.amazon.com/Tim-Hortons-Coffee-Fine-Grind/dp/B005Y1L0BS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379561500&sr=8-1&keywords=tim+hortons+coffee) .. Canada's primary coffee ;D
I've never been a fan of Starbucks or DD coffee and never had the Wawa coffee.
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If you are looking for coffee try here. http://www.coffeeam.com/ (http://www.coffeeam.com/)
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Nooo... (Radnor, you'll have to kick me under the table later) if you want coffee, please visit Lock N Load Java. (http://www.locknloadjava.com/ (http://www.locknloadjava.com/)). They are veteran owned, they support the troops but on top of it all, they have YUMMY coffee!!
I have some I will gladly brew and share if I must. :)
Moosie
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(http://grouchyoldcripple.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/starbucks.jpg)
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Thumbs up, TK.
However, I'm still a Starbucks fan. Obviously, I support the 2A. I'm not a fan of OC, however, it's within the law and the rights of delawareans to do so. I dont recall hearing or seeing any kind of ludicrous displays of support at delaware starbucks in Feb of 2012 or 2013. When I look at pics of other starbucks where those who felt it necessary to shove it in the face and down the throats of everyone who came into starbucks by carrying long rifles, hand guns, etc.. all the while claiming "2A".. well, that forced Starbucks to ask that open carry isn't done on its property. My understanding is that Starbucks has not banned or even asked that all firearms not come in their stores. They simply asked that OC is not done.
The OC crowds that so brazenly displayed what was in my opinion, poor taste and poor judgement.. well, they're who we have to thank for starbucks feeling so pressed, that they put out the message that OC is no longer welcome.
Moosie
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Actually they did ask that "weapons" not be brought into their stores. They did not say CC was ok.
If they asked those shameful gays to leave their gayness at the door in starbucks. Don't want them queering the place up. We would say they are anti-g ay. Starbucks has taken an anti-gun stance by telling gun owners you're not welcome to bring your gun into starbucks. They are trying to straddle the line by decrying guns to appease the antis, but to say we won't kick gun owners out to hopefully not alienate gun owners. We don't want your guns, but we won't refuse your money in other words. That is pretty anti to me.
So moosie, you blame the OC guys for expressing their rights. Blaming others in the gun community for expressing their rights is akin to the antis blaming a gun EVERY time there is a mass shooting and then blaming gun owners as a whole for the gun bans/restrictions. 2A "supporters" are so fractioned, we aren't going to have a chance in the coming years of anti-gun legislation. We should be all in for the 2a, not just supportive of certain provisions of it. Rights should be expanded on, not restricted.
The carrying of long rifles by a few at these "appreciation" days were so few and far between that I refuse to believe it was the reason crapbucks took this position. It was the fact that gun owners were rallying behind them and were gaining momentum. The antis were scared and complained and then complained some more. They hit them in the pockets just like we all should now and not patronize crapbucks any longer.
That being said, since they took an anti-gun stance, I will not patronize crapbucks.
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The only thing that StarBucks should get is one of these cards
http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/
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Thankfully there are still resturants you can go to and get coffee with a meal and they keep your cup full. At Starbucks, a cup of coffee cost as much as a small meal. No thanks.
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So moosie, you blame the OC guys for expressing their rights. Blaming others in the gun community for expressing their rights is akin to the antis blaming a gun EVERY time there is a mass shooting and then blaming gun owners as a whole for the gun bans/restrictions. 2A "supporters" are so fractioned, we aren't going to have a chance in the coming years of anti-gun legislation. We should be all in for the 2a, not just supportive of certain provisions of it. Rights should be expanded on, not restricted.
The carrying of long rifles by a few at these "appreciation" days were so few and far between that I refuse to believe it was the reason crapbucks took this position. It was the fact that gun owners were rallying behind them and were gaining momentum. The antis were scared and complained and then complained some more. They hit them in the pockets just like we all should now and not patronize crapbucks any longer.
First, let me back up.. I went and read the open letter directly.. my apologies that I had read an article which noted certain parts of his letter. You're correct, he does ask that no firearms be brought into / onto Starbucks property. He didn't ban them. As his letter addresses, yes, it WAS the OC folks (obviously not every single OC'er) that created an issue and they abused the 'Customer Appreciation Day' and made it their own personal political event. I don't have to tell you how pro 2A I am. However, when individuals go above and beyond to display firearms in a manner that I find to be confrontational, THAT is not helping anyone who wants to see the 2A supported and expanded. Were they within their rights to open carry? yes. Did they do so in a manner that would invite those who aren't on our side to support the 2A? No. Not at all. I don't OC nor will I ever. However, I DO support OC for others... but like any person who is going to carry a firearm, I think that it should be done so in a responsible manner. I would LOVE to see the 2A become supported country wide and have a firearm in every household... however, waving guns around simply because we're "allowed" to makes it harder to those who do not currently support our constitutional right to wrap their head around our stance / argument for the 2A.
I'll still carry in Starbucks.. why? Because it's not an outright ban. It's not against the law (yet).
Moosie
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So moosie, you blame the OC guys for expressing their rights. Blaming others in the gun community for expressing their rights is akin to the antis blaming a gun EVERY time there is a mass shooting and then blaming gun owners as a whole for the gun bans/restrictions. 2A "supporters" are so fractioned, we aren't going to have a chance in the coming years of anti-gun legislation. We should be all in for the 2a, not just supportive of certain provisions of it. Rights should be expanded on, not restricted.
The carrying of long rifles by a few at these "appreciation" days were so few and far between that I refuse to believe it was the reason crapbucks took this position. It was the fact that gun owners were rallying behind them and were gaining momentum. The antis were scared and complained and then complained some more. They hit them in the pockets just like we all should now and not patronize crapbucks any longer.
First, let me back up.. I went and read the open letter directly.. my apologies that I had read an article which noted certain parts of his letter. You're correct, he does ask that no firearms be brought into / onto Starbucks property. He didn't ban them. As his letter addresses, yes, it WAS the OC folks (obviously not every single OC'er) that created an issue and they abused the 'Customer Appreciation Day' and made it their own personal political event. I don't have to tell you how pro 2A I am. However, when individuals go above and beyond to display firearms in a manner that I find to be confrontational, THAT is not helping anyone who wants to see the 2A supported and expanded. Were they within their rights to open carry? yes. Did they do so in a manner that would invite those who aren't on our side to support the 2A? No. Not at all. I don't OC nor will I ever. However, I DO support OC for others... but like any person who is going to carry a firearm, I think that it should be done so in a responsible manner. I would LOVE to see the 2A become supported country wide and have a firearm in every household... however, waving guns around simply because we're "allowed" to makes it harder to those who do not currently support our constitutional right to wrap their head around our stance / argument for the 2A.
I'll still carry in Starbucks.. why? Because it's not an outright ban. It's not against the law (yet).
Moosie
Amen.
We need to remember how convenient it is to live in a state with very few restrictions on where we can carry, partly because "No Guns" signs and corporate policies do not have force of law. We can carry in movie theaters, malls, Starbucks, churches, polling places, bars...
Let's keep it that way.
We're better off when we fly under the radar. That does not include carrying openly, which is and should remain legal... but is not necessarily a good idea. If not for the "Starbucks Appreciation Day" publicity, that open letter would never have been written.
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First, let me back up.. I went and read the open letter directly.. my apologies that I had read an article which noted certain parts of his letter. You're correct, he does ask that no firearms be brought into / onto Starbucks property. He didn't ban them. As his letter addresses, yes, it WAS the OC folks (obviously not every single OC'er) that created an issue and they abused the 'Customer Appreciation Day' and made it their own personal political event. I don't have to tell you how pro 2A I am. However, when individuals go above and beyond to display firearms in a manner that I find to be confrontational, THAT is not helping anyone who wants to see the 2A supported and expanded. Were they within their rights to open carry? yes. Did they do so in a manner that would invite those who aren't on our side to support the 2A? No. Not at all. I don't OC nor will I ever. However, I DO support OC for others... but like any person who is going to carry a firearm, I think that it should be done so in a responsible manner. I would LOVE to see the 2A become supported country wide and have a firearm in every household... however, waving guns around simply because we're "allowed" to makes it harder to those who do not currently support our constitutional right to wrap their head around our stance / argument for the 2A.
I'll still carry in Starbucks.. why? Because it's not an outright ban. It's not against the law (yet).
Moosie
I understand your position. Just because it is legal does not mean you have to do it. Same thing I say to the antis about 2A. I'm not attacking you, I'm only saying blaming the very few people who were carrying long arms or were acting confrontational is counter productive. Like I said previously, the incidents were so far and few between that it wasn't even newsworthy to the liberal media.
Now the only videos I did see the guys were not being belligerent, waving guns around, or doing anything but drinking coffee!
Starbucks is anti-gun. They said it in their letter. They made no differentiation between CC or OC when they said "no weapons". Because of that I will not support them. Ever. Take a look at their corporate policy that was released as well. (http://dogpupkus.com/pafoa/sbux.jpeg)
Now what do you suggest to get 2A rights expanded?
I'm really not trying to sound dicky or anything, I think sometimes my typing and writing style make me seem harsh!
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Amen.
We need to remember how convenient it is to live in a state with very few restrictions on where we can carry, partly because "No Guns" signs and corporate policies do not have force of law. We can carry in movie theaters, malls, Starbucks, churches, polling places, bars...
Let's keep it that way.
We're better off when we fly under the radar. That does not include carrying openly, which is and should remain legal... but is not necessarily a good idea. If not for the "Starbucks Appreciation Day" publicity, that open letter would never have been written.
So hiding and bowing to the anti-s is your plan? I don't always CC, sometimes I do OC. When I do I'm not carrying and screaming look at my gun. I'm not waving it around in the air. I act the same way when I CC. It is there for my protection and not for a political statement.
It isn't very "convenient" to get a CCDW in DE if you really think about it. Jump through hoops and wait forever. Add in the fees for the CCDW and class and how is that convenient? Only those "privileged" by the State may do so. CC isn't a right.
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IMO, it is not a matter of bowing or hiding. The right to carry has come a long way since the late '80s (see Right to Carry History on handgunlaw.us). I moved here from MD a year ago where I didn't and still don't have the right to carry. Every time I visit NJ, i appreciate more my right to carry in DE and 36 other states. We, the pro-gun community, tried to make a 2A point at Starbucks and got blowback. We should be demonstrating why 2A is beneficial to the sheeple rather than exerting the right and concerning/frightening them. My two cents worth. I'm happy to fly under the radar until then.
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McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2013/09/22/mcdonalds-and-dunkin-donuts-both-issue-statements-allowing-guns-in-stores-n1706393
Really.. Starbucks never organized the Appreciation Day as far as I know. This was simply started by some pro 2A people and it took off. Credit should also be given to them for continuing to stay fairly neutral, and they are, on the whole thing. People need to realize just how much this crap can cost them when the anti 2A groups start coming at them. They are still allowing people to carry both CC and OC and even tell their employees to continue to serve us.
Personally OCing a properly holstered handgun is one thing.. OCing a long gun around is just plain brilliant! I'll CC and not call attention to myself.
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Amen.
We need to remember how convenient it is to live in a state with very few restrictions on where we can carry, partly because "No Guns" signs and corporate policies do not have force of law. We can carry in movie theaters, malls, Starbucks, churches, polling places, bars...
Let's keep it that way.
We're better off when we fly under the radar. That does not include carrying openly, which is and should remain legal... but is not necessarily a good idea. If not for the "Starbucks Appreciation Day" publicity, that open letter would never have been written.
Thanks OGG. You wrote this as I was thinking it.
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I am a 100 percenter too and I agree 100 percent with Moosie and Old Gray
In your face carry is not going to help us. Open carry certainly has its place and must remain legal as it is our
Natural right and protected by both state and federal constitution
What I am opposed to is the "look at me I have a gun" attitude of some of these activists.
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Bmel, I didn't get the sense that you were trying to be dicky. :) I don't care if someone agrees with me or disagrees with me. I dont have an opinion to be popular. That being said, I wish more people were willing to discuss their views with others and not make it personal. I can disagree with someone and still be friends / friendly with that person. If we all thought the same we wouldn't be called humans.. we'd be sheep. I have found that sometimes as I'm discussing my point of view I learn something. Something about me, something about my point of view (more facts, a new argument from the opposition, etc) and it usually doesnt make me change my mind, but it does enlighten me in some way. I'm always happy when I have more knowledge.
I'd have the same thought if I knew someone was cc'ing and then bragging about it, or making it known to the world. I am not anti-open carry (for others). We're at a time in this country where everyone has gun and gun owners on their radar. We all need to be demonstrating responsible, "quiet" gun ownership. When I say quiet, I do NOT mean sit down, shut up, and let the head a-hole do what he's been doing. You can convey a fantastic message sometimes just by sitting and being quiet. I think in most cases of today, that's what we need more of. I need to research the number of individuals and locations of just how many pro-OC'ers were being jerks and waving them in the air.. wave 'em like you just dont care (sorry, couldn't resist! LOL). I would think if there were only a handful of people who showed up and started crap that the company as large as Starbucks wouldn't feel the need to address things. BUT.. before I speak on that, I'll have to do some more fact finding :D
As you stated, just because it's legal doesn't mean we should do it. IMO, we are to be educators to those who have misinformation (thank you all the crack pot media outlets.. "AR-Shotgun"). Not only teach those who are just being ignorant, but also those who have no firearms experience at all. A conversation is sometimes all that's needed to help someone open their mind a little bit more.
:) It's all good, Bmel!
Moosie