Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: oldgraygeek on July 23, 2016, 09:36:17 PM
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This will increase the number of stolen guns in Wilmington by almost 0.000000000003%.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/23/four-men-steal-27-handguns-artemis-outfitters/87478868/
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seems to me.......if the only thing between the guns and the bad guys was glass, he should lose his FFL.
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seems to me.......if the only thing between the guns and the bad guys was glass, he should lose his FFL.
You might be right.
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This will increase the number of stolen guns in Wilmington by almost 0.000000000003%.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/23/four-men-steal-27-handguns-artemis-outfitters/87478868/
I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate!
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And... now we know the rest of the story:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/30/guns-stolen-artemis-used-wilmington-shooting/87773176/
Four stolen firearms recovered during an investigation into the shooting were later connected to the Artemis Outfitters burglary, State Police say.
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Beginning Monday, July 25, 2016, search warrants were conducted at each of the boy’s residences and three more handguns were recovered upon searching Banks’ home, said spokesman Maser Cpl. Gary E. Fournier in a press release.
Seven down, 20 to go... oh, wait, make that 19:
Another of the stolen guns was recovered Thursday. Troopers conducted a traffic stop on U.S. 40 near Route 72 in Bear after a Toyota sedan made an abrupt lane change in front of a patrol vehicle, according to Fournier.
A mile from our house. Reminds me to throw another magazine into my center console...
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Just read that!
I don't know requirements for FFL/storefronts, is there any more info on whether or not Artemis was in compliance or in any way culpable?
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Just read that!
I don't know requirements for FFL/storefronts, is there any more info on whether or not Artemis was in compliance or in any way culpable?
I'm not sure there is any security "compliance" for an FFL or holder of a Delaware License of Deal in Deadly Weapons, but I'm sure the anti gun crowd will think of something. I would think anyone with an FFL would want to take maximum measures to protect against theft. I'm sure that their insurance company would require it.
Problem with having a government mandate is that you can be sure that the goal will be to put the small time dealers out of business.
Chris: Are there any state or federal rules?
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In general, I don't think that this story is getting a lot of liberal publicity because it sort of goes against their main arguments -- which are ALL firearms in the hands of criminals are obtained: thorough the mail; through one of us acting as a straw-purchaser; or through gun shows (or msybe bake) sales. Research is also out there, obtained by interviewing incarcerated individuals, that the majority of the these firearms are obtained by theft -- often with the actor as the thief, but even as a street-purchaser.
Just like how you don't need a screwdriver when you're hammering in nails, anti-gunners can't be bothered, or even expected, to use such meaningless facts.
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What I can't believe is what lax security the gun store had.
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What I can't believe is what lax security the gun store had.
Countdown:
Victim of one of these thugs sues the store in 3... 2... 1...
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Actually not surprised, often wondered why they didn't have any supplemental barriers. (Like what Chris F has at his house)
Maybe their excuse was that they didn't want to insult the Greenville crowd by putting up bars. Then again, the UPS store next door has a full width roll up aluminum barrier to separate their mail boxes from the rest of the store.
Even worse, no cameras? IP security cameras are dirt cheap these days.
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Just read that!
I don't know requirements for FFL/storefronts, is there any more info on whether or not Artemis was in compliance or in any way culpable?
I'm not sure there is any security "compliance" for an FFL or holder of a Delaware License of Deal in Deadly Weapons, but I'm sure the anti gun crowd will think of something. I would think anyone with an FFL would want to take maximum measures to protect against theft. I'm sure that their insurance company would require it.
Problem with having a government mandate is that you can be sure that the goal will be to put the small time dealers out of business.
Chris: Are there any state or federal rules?
no requirement that i am aware of .....but really...you should know better..
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They did have video and have arrested the burglars.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/30/guns-stolen-artemis-used-wilmington-shooting/87773176/
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We briefly looked into the FFL thing and there is NO set requirements as to the security of the firearms. It more so depends on the location and building. If you can show that the firearms can be reasonably secured by a door and a lock you're good. In a way its sad but at the same time many FFLs wouldn't exist if they needed 3 foot concrete walls reinforced with steel sheet, 5000Lbs vault doors and armed security around the place 24/7. It's no more the fault of any business owner, including FFLs, if someone breaks in and steals their belongings as it is if someone breaks in and takes your belongings from your home.
I agree FFLs should go a bit further then what a regular home owner would do but what exactly constitutes "maximum measures"? Fort Knox, 1st National Bank, concrete bunker with vault door, 2nd floor room with glass windows and a large safe, basement with lockable gated entry? ;D
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They did have video and have arrested the burglars.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/30/guns-stolen-artemis-used-wilmington-shooting/87773176/
Now they need to follow through: every time anyone is injured or killed by one of those stolen firearms, file an additional assault or murder charge against the original thieves who stole the guns.
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When I travel, I have the habit of visiting gun shops. Have visited in other countries as well.
One thing that strikes me is the diversity of how these shops are set up. I have seen some that are like Fort Knox and others that are just a counter and display case in the back corner of a hardware store.
In the 1990s Clinton worked by fees and regulations to put these "mom and pop" gun shops out of business. And he had a lot of "success". He did this not because these small shops are a big source of "crime guns", but rather because of his disdain for the law abiding gun folk who frequent these places.
I am not sure what kind of security this shop has but I do worry about the safety of gun shop owners, workers and the theft of the guns themselves.
The biggest threat is the straw purchase of guns from the larger retail shops who do not or can not be selective in their clientele.
I remember Tom Smith who had a little shop in his basement in Hockessin. The type of set up that Clinton wanted to shut down. Tom decided to open a retail outlet just outside of Wilmington city limits.
Not long after, three thugs from Brookyn with Wilmington connections killed him in his store and made off with a bag of guns. They were sentenced to death but of course not carried out. This was over 20 years ago.
I often think of Tom and how he should have just kept that basement shop and built up his client base from the gun community.
My point is that evil lurks and gun shop owners need to take measures to minimize risk.