Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => General CCW Discussion => Topic started by: joek on December 12, 2011, 02:41:09 AM
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I see there things for sale on the web and was wondering if anyone actually has one and wears it.
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Why anyone concealing a weapon would wear a badge advertising it?
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Not that I endorse these badges in any way, but there is one benefit to them. If your gun is ever accidentally exposed, it could save you from having to explain yourself to police. From my experience, the general public views guns as evil and dangerous however; when accompanied by a badge of any kind, they are considered much less sinister. Most people will just automatically recognize the shape and color and assume its official, and not examine the badge close enough to realize that it just says Concealed Carry Specialist or CCDW holder, etc.
If someone insisted on carrying one of these badges, I would only wear it close to the gun, so if it is accidentally exposed, the badge is seen with the gun. It should go without saying, but pinned to the chest or hanging around the neck are not appropriate places to wear them.
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This is just a silly idea for cop wannabes and breeds dangerous ideas and cultivates the notion of impersonating a police officer.
It belies the "C" in CCW.
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NO!!! BAD, BAD, BAD IDEA!!!
CCW badge will serve no purpose other then it will get you reported for impersonating a police officer. Witnesses are historically unreliable and when they see a badge and a handgun together to them that says police officer whether you actually said it or not. If you want to use one to pick up girls at the local bar that is fine but when you combine a handgun with a badge you are only asking for trouble.
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I strongly agree with Hawkeye.
If anyone sees your gun, you need a lawyer.
If you show them some kind of badge, you'll be calling the lawyer from a holding cell.
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,,,,,but I look so cool....
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Oh just for the record, I do agree with Hawkeye. I guess it all depends on what kind of personality you have. I'm a very humble and quiet person. I definetly wouldn't flash my badge to anybody. The whole idea of carrying concealed is so nobody knows your carrying. A badge used the WRONG way could cause major problems.
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I have been told by a few Officers that they will get you into trouble and can cost you your permit for impersonating a Police Officer.
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To me wearing a "CC Badge" is like saying, "I am carrying concealed (hidden), and I want EVERYONE to know it". Is that dumb or what?
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For me the whole concept of a badge is it identifies the person who possesses, displays or is wearing one has some type legal authority defined by law. To the best of my knowledge i don't recall any part of the Delaware state code mentioning a requirement to carry a Concealed Carry Badge.
now lets think about this:
Lets say you find yourself in handcuffs in the back of a police car because you had to draw your weapon or even worse use it to defend yourself. It does not matter whether your actions are justifiable the AGs office will contemplate whether or not they have a case against you. It could be anything from disturbing the peace, reckless endangerment, assault, attempted murder, manslaughter or murder. It depend on how the incident unfolds. were there witness, what did the witness see and what do they remember? all of that will come in to play after after an incident,
But i digress... come trial time imagine the type of picture that a prosecutor will be able to paint in the minds of a jury if one of the pieces of evidence is a Concealed Carry Badge that you carried next to your firearm or in you wallet... "Vigilante" "Cop impersonator" "Cop wannabe"
Don't believe me.
just ask your self why in title 11 Section 464 of the Delaware state code covering the Use of force in self-protection identifies the person who is protecting themselves as the Defendant?
I know i'm talking about absolute worst case scenario but that is why we have carry permanents because we know that the worst case scenarios do happen every day.
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For me the whole concept of a badge is it identifies the person who possesses, displays or is wearing one has some type legal authority defined by law. To the best of my knowledge i don't recall any part of the Delaware state code mentioning a requirement to carry a Concealed Carry Badge.
now lets think about this:
Lets say you find yourself in handcuffs in the back of a police car because you had to draw your weapon or even worse use it to defend yourself. It does not matter whether your actions are justifiable the AGs office will contemplate whether or not they have a case against you. It could be anything from disturbing the peace, reckless endangerment, assault, attempted murder, manslaughter or murder. It depend on how the incident unfolds. were there witness, what did the witness see and what do they remember? all of that will come in to play after after an incident,
But i digress... come trial time imagine the type of picture that a prosecutor will be able to paint in the minds of a jury if one of the pieces of evidence is a Concealed Carry Badge that you carried next to your firearm or in you wallet... "Vigilante" "Cop impersonator" "Cop wannabe"
Don't believe me.
just ask your self why in title 11 Section 464 of the Delaware state code covering the Use of force in self-protection identifies the person who is protecting themselves as the Defendant?
I know i'm talking about absolute worst case scenario but that is why we have carry permanents because we know that the worst case scenarios do happen every day.
I agree with you completely, in my CCW class the instructors sold these badges during the break. I didn't think it was a good idea however it seemed to me it was all about money and not common sense. I thought about it for a moment it just didn't seem to fit in my program as far as concealment and it's meaning.
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Willie848
If this was a class for people interested in getting a CCW, (but didn't have one now) why would this "instructor" sell such a thing as a badge? Seems he needs to rethink his actions. I think trying to intimidate with a fire arm is illegal, and this may be also. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
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??? I agree, I think most everyone agrees that the badge is a bad idea. The class that I attended in Middletown also pushed badges at break time and the instructor is a police officer, you'd think he'd know better, but at $25/$35 per badge it's all about the money. :o
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... at $25/$35 per badge...
Did it come with a kiss and candy for your pillow too? WOW!
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For the record, I subscribe to the school of thought which believes that a CCDW badge is an idea fraught with problems, and generally associated with
"cop wannabes", and is not something of which I want to be a part.
Having said that, let me play the devil's advocate for a moment, and refer to a post by Rabbit where he writes that the concept of a badge shows that one who possesses, wears or displays one implies some type of legal authority defined by law, or words to that effect.
Not every citizen in Delaware has the legal authority to carry a weapon concealed, except those who have gone through the process, defined by law,
to gain that authority. A CCDW permit is, in fact, a state issued, legal authority to carry concealed. I have not researched the matter, but is there any prohibition in Delaware law to possessing or carrying a CCDW badge? Some other jurisdictions do prohibit badges, or "state seals" on a badge, unless issued by that jurisdiction.
Just thought I would stir the pot a bit and generate some comments(?).
Regards !
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but is there any prohibition in Delaware law to possessing or carrying a CCDW badge?
No, it is still not against the law to do brilliant things.
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??? I agree, I think most everyone agrees that the badge is a bad idea. The class that I attended in Middletown also pushed badges at break time and the instructor is a police officer, you'd think he'd know better, but at $25/$35 per badge it's all about the money. :o
We most have been in the same class that's where i took my class in Jan.
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??? I agree, I think most everyone agrees that the badge is a bad idea. The class that I attended in Middletown also pushed badges at break time and the instructor is a police officer, you'd think he'd know better, but at $25/$35 per badge it's all about the money. :o
I took my class in Middletown also we may be speaking about the same Instructor also.
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??? I agree, I think most everyone agrees that the badge is a bad idea. The class that I attended in Middletown also pushed badges at break time and the instructor is a police officer, you'd think he'd know better, but at $25/$35 per badge it's all about the money. :o
I took my class in Middletown also we may be speaking about the same Instructor also.
I think you're correct Willie, did you get your permit yet? I'm 9 weeks and still waiting.
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??? I agree, I think most everyone agrees that the badge is a bad idea. The class that I attended in Middletown also pushed badges at break time and the instructor is a police officer, you'd think he'd know better, but at $25/$35 per badge it's all about the money. :o
I took my class in Middletown also we may be speaking about the same Instructor also.
I think you're correct Willie, did you get your permit yet? I'm 9 weeks and still waiting.
Don't know if you got my response to your question my permit came mid Fed. I went to class while my paper work was being processed. two weeks after the my approval came in the then I turn my certificate in two weeks after that the permit came. Advice a watched pot never boils it will come when you aren't looking for it.
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Sorry Willie, I thought I responded to your message. I did attend the same class dates as you. Thanks for the input.......I have stopped watching the dang mail box, 10 weeks in and the wait's like water boarding for an inpatient man. ;)
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I don't see myself carrying a badge of any kind. However, achieving a DE CCDW permit attests to a responsible, mature, thoughtful and reliable person. Each of us knows at least 5 people that have so much as agreed with that. The AG and Resident Judge have the same opinion. In most of us is the understanding that we may be called upon to protect someone other than ourselves, possibly a stranger in peril. If a badge symbolizes to you that a goal demanding unequivocally high character was reached, then I say: “Put a badge in your pocket and check it out every so often.” Actually show it off and let others know that they too can be an asset in the community.
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I don't see myself carrying a badge of any kind. However, achieving a DE CCDW permit attests to a responsible, mature, thoughtful and reliable person. Each of us knows at least 5 people that have so much as agreed with that. The AG and Resident Judge have the same opinion. In most of us is the understanding that we may be called upon to protect someone other than ourselves, possibly a stranger in peril. If a badge symbolizes to you that a goal demanding unequivocally high character was reached, then I say: “Put a badge in your pocket and check it out every so often.” Actually show it off and let others know that they too can be an asset in the community.
I agree with some of your statement but I believe the badge is a bad idea and apparently so does the CCDWP overlords or they'd issue them along with permits.
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I don't see myself carrying a badge of any kind. However, achieving a DE CCDW permit attests to a responsible, mature, thoughtful and reliable person. Each of us knows at least 5 people that have so much as agreed with that. The AG and Resident Judge have the same opinion. In most of us is the understanding that we may be called upon to protect someone other than ourselves, possibly a stranger in peril. If a badge symbolizes to you that a goal demanding unequivocally high character was reached, then I say: “Put a badge in your pocket and check it out every so often.” Actually show it off and let others know that they too can be an asset in the community.
I agree with some of your statement but I believe the badge is a bad idea and apparently so does the CCDWP overlords or they'd issue them along with permits.
I Don't need the brilliant badge I was given a Delaware State ID Card with my photo on it that's enough of a badge I need.
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I Don't need the brilliant badge I was given a Delaware State ID Card with my photo on it that's enough of a badge I need.