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Title: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on September 30, 2013, 08:01:55 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20759574-caught-on-video-father-with-family-in-suv-chased-beaten-by-speed-demon-bikers?lite

Now this is one reason I carry a gun and think people should. This could have been a lot worse for this guy. Looks like a bunch of young punks as opposed to a motorcycle gang for the most part.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: ESPMan on October 01, 2013, 01:47:29 AM
Well, maybe next time they won't showboat on a highway in front of an SUV. If I was getting assaulted by a bunch of punks on bikes, I think I would have ran them over too. (I drive a Dodge Ram 1500,so I think it would be pretty easy  ;))
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Radnor on October 01, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
Now this is one reason I carry a gun and think people should. ...

And your daily round count you carry is?
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Newlife503 on October 01, 2013, 02:26:43 PM
Now this is one reason I carry a gun and think people should. ...

And your daily round count you carry is?

30, ok if I don't miss.  Maybe I should keep a few more in the car?
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: oldgraygeek on October 01, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
Now this is one reason I carry a gun and think people should. ...

And your daily round count you carry is?

21... but they're 10mm Auto, so the shock wave from each shot should kill several attackers.  :o
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 01, 2013, 05:48:15 PM
Saw the video on TV this morning. I wonder what happened before the video was shot. Did the SUV driver do anything to provoke this, or was it just a random act of violence. I usually question videos on TV, because you don't always see the whole story. Time will tell what really happened.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Radnor on October 01, 2013, 07:08:34 PM
Well seeing this and the need WE share for magazines over 10 rounds, I sent the representative for my area an email.

Dear Mrs. Blevins and Mr. Mitchell;

Hope this finds you well.

I would like a reply please to this email.

New York City police continue to hunt for as many as 30 motorcyclists who forced a driver on a harrowing high-speed chase through Upper Manhattan and then beat him in front of his wife and 2-year-old daughter.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20759574-caught-on-video-father-with-family-in-suv-chased-beaten-by-speed-demon-bikers#comments

This is WHY I am AGAINST limiting the magazine capacity of law abiding citizens!

Not that I'm going to carry 145 rounds of ammo, but here is an article where a POLICE OFFICER feels it is necessary to do so in carrying out his job.


Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Again, please take the time to read the articles and I would like a response.  I am very interested in your opinion.

Sincerely,

Radnor
My address
(C)(302) ***-****

And the reply to my email:

Radnor,

Thank you for contacting me on this issue. As you know we passed two bills this past session regarding the reporting of lost or stolen guns and registering handguns closing a loop hole at the gun shows. I supported both bills which became law.

I was the sponsor for the Governors bill limiting the amount of rounds that you can possess. As we proceeded through the process I quickly realized the support for this legislation was not favorable. As a retired law enforcement officer in Delaware I did receive calls and emails from some law enforcement officers opposing this bill. I informed the Governor I would not bring this bill to the floor untill I knew the support was in place within the House of Representatives to pass the bill.

I will not be bringing this bill to the floor in the future as the prime sponsor.

 
J. Larry Mitchell
State Representative


So, once again it is time to watch our elected officials REAL close.  The LAST 2 lines worry me.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Adrenolin on October 01, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
The bikers were holding an illegal rally (for the second year) and the driver was reported to have called the police on the rally. The police knew about the rally and antics of the bikers this year and had made a number of other arrests and bike seizures through out the day. This rally included a lot of dangerous riding on the roads and highways endangering others.. I know 2 people who attended last year and said they wouldn't go back. What happened to provoke the chase is anyone's guess, I'm going with he told them he was going to report them, might have even been a loud mouthed genius about it, they didn't like that and figured they'd intimidate him some. Entirely speculating but that's my guess. Once that happened its an adrenaline/rage thing, people got ramped up and outta control. Then the biker caused the accident, others behind just saw the father drive into the biker escalating it further.

Regardless, I'm gonna side with the father & family (his wife and 2 year old were with him) here 100% as they were pursued, threatened repeatedly, attacked & assaulted.

I'd have run the first little prick over at the beginning, not stopped, and followed up with anyone else foolish enough to try it. Would have had the wife call 911, explain the situation and request immediate police assistance as I stayed on the highway.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Adrenolin on October 01, 2013, 07:43:50 PM
Radnor I agree.. "untill I knew the support was in place" is a scary statement. The support shouldn't be from other House members.. It should be from his constituents! The people he is supposed to represent. Not his own agenda or those of others.

Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on October 01, 2013, 08:37:46 PM
Radnor I agree.. "untill I knew the support was in place" is a scary statement. The support shouldn't be from other House members.. It should be from his constituents! The people he is supposed to represent. Not his own agenda or those of others.



Typical political doubletalk. IN other words "Despite this being Delaware we have not brainwashed enough people yet and don't have the votes to push it. Relax if we get them we will bring it back up"
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on October 01, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
Now this is one reason I carry a gun and think people should. ...

And your daily round count you carry is?

It can vary. With the 1911 I have 2 or 3 8 round mags with 1 in the chamber. My back up .380 has 2 mags with 6 rounds each and one in the chamber. Low count about 30 rounds. If I have the glock 17 its 1 17 round mag plus 1 and another 17 round mag so high end is 35.

The thing some forget though with situations like this though is that often if you go for the toughest guy first the other back off. You protect yourself against the leader and the others back off. Seems very common with experience with bullies this can be the case.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: groundgrid on October 01, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
I believe that Rep. Mitchell was unopposed the last time that he ran.

It seems to me that Radnor has just volunteered to run against him.

Sometime early next year I will compile a list of all of the unopposed races where the candidate is not openly pro 2A.

It would send a great message if pro-constitution, freedom, 2A candidates run in all unopposed & unfriendly races.

There is absolutely nothing to loose. You never know when some scandal might come up or how many "I really didn't like that guy but he's a D" votes are out there.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Etrier on October 01, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
I am stunned that Radnor even got a response from Mr. Mitchell.  I am located in the same districts represented by Blevins and Mitchell.  I did not hear anything from either of them regarding my emails during the last legislative session.  Looking forward to 2014 elections to see Mr. Mitchell run against both a pro gun democrat and a pro gun republican.  We will just have to work hard to make it happen.  Hoping to see a pro gun candidate run in every district who's current representative sponsored gun control legislation last session.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: groundgrid on October 02, 2013, 12:23:59 AM
One of you can be the D and the other the R.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Radnor on October 02, 2013, 12:29:47 AM
I am stunned that Radnor even got a response from Mr. Mitchell.  I am located in the same districts represented by Blevins and Mitchell.

Well, last session before all the SH%& legislation was introduced, I called Mr. Mitchell.  He called me back and we spent 15-20 minutes on the phone.  Shocked the SH%& out of me!  Then after each bill was introduced I wrote again.  They were not answered until I CC'd Jeff Speigleman(SP?) on one and said I heard more from him than either of the two of them and he's not my Rep.  That did get a response....

1 May I went to Dover to testify against the magazine bill.  Walked in Patty Blevins office and spoke to the gal behind the desk.  Asked he if she received my phone messages.  She said no.  Then I started to recite one and she said she remembered.  After we talked a little Mrs. Blevins came in.  So I asked her.  She said no too.  I said, "well you might want to have a talk to the young lady at the desk then because I've been leaving them".  So, I dont know if it does not fit the agenda of the receptionist then Mrs. Blevins does not get it.  Dont know....

All I can say is STAY ACTIVE!!!  If we are silent, they will assume we agree with them.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Cbmarine on October 02, 2013, 12:57:20 AM
I believe that Rep. Mitchell was unopposed the last time that he ran.

It seems to me that Radnor has just volunteered to run against him.


Well, @Radnor has executive experience! Run, Radnor, Run!
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on October 02, 2013, 01:17:22 AM
I believe that Rep. Mitchell was unopposed the last time that he ran.

It seems to me that Radnor has just volunteered to run against him.

Sometime early next year I will compile a list of all of the unopposed races where the candidate is not openly pro 2A.

It would send a great message if pro-constitution, freedom, 2A candidates run in all unopposed & unfriendly races.

There is absolutely nothing to loose. You never know when some scandal might come up or how many "I really didn't like that guy but he's a D" votes are out there.

I am still very seriously contimplating challenging melanie george,smith, marshall or whatever it is this week. I have one guy that actually start to take money out of his pocket to pay the fee to run. I would consider it if it did not cost too much. The problem would be me trying to convince the majority of her constituents of the problem with uncle sams plantation and that it will never change if they keep electing politicians like her.

Note
For information on Uncle sam's planation see the Book by Star Parker

http://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Sams-Plantation-Government-Enslaves/dp/B00AK3YKKS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380676612&sr=8-1&keywords=uncle+sams+plantation
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Clarence on October 02, 2013, 01:27:47 AM
So Mitchell agrees that the background check bill IS gun registration.  I was unaware that it only applied to handguns.  Is it possible that Mitchell does not understand his own bills?
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: groundgrid on October 02, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
2012 Filing fee for State Rep is $872.00

All necessary info for NCC is at:

http://electionsncc.delaware.gov/candidates/cand_info.shtml

There are many who would make a small donation toward the cause.
Might even be able to get C4L or other PAC money.
Bet that NRA-ILA would send you a couple of hundred especially if your a life member.
Think about it, if the NRA gives $200.00 each for 10 local races it's only $2,000. Total chump change for them.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Radnor on October 02, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
And from Mrs. Blevins:

I don't expect that we will be working on any more gun laws next year.  Rep, Mitchell was clear with you that he will not bring his bill up for a vote, and I don't believe that there is enough support for any other bills either.
Title: Re: group of motorcyclists ( not bikers) chase family in van beating father
Post by: Cbmarine on October 02, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
And from Mrs. Blevins:

I don't expect that we will be working on any more gun laws next year.  Rep, Mitchell was clear with you that he will not bring his bill up for a vote, and I don't believe that there is enough support for any other bills either.

Good. That probably means Reps Scott/Jaques won't try to revive HB 67, Safe School Zone bill either. That would be a nightmare for where carrying would be legal; walk your dog across a field and get a felony charge because a school had just leased it for some event. The "logic" of gun free school zones escapes me. Dave Grossman has an excellent video on that topic. http://blutube.policeone.com/police-training-videos/2098816784001-concealed-carry-in-schools/