Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
General => New Member Introduction => Topic started by: wwd on May 03, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
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Just joined, tho' I've been here a couple of times. I've been shooting about 10 years, and just joined Delaware Rifle and Pistol Club in Elsmere. I look forward to learning from your experiences here, as I have on DELOC.
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Welcome
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Hi WWD,
Welcome to the site.
Moosie
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Welcome and thanks for joining, Also don't forget to tell your friends about us ;D
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Thanks for the welcome.
One of the reasons I applied for my CCDW permit is to avoid OC trouble should I forget to unholster in my vehicle or accidentally cover-up with a coat or long shirt. Also, for protection so my wife won't know I'm carrying ??? (she'll probably come around eventually).
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Well, half-way through week 11 on the CCDW journey, and nothing. Nothing at all, from NCC, AG, nobody.
"I am depressed". Slim Pickens...BLAZING SADDLES
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Yup. SOunds about right. Until the end of May, I'm betting that they aren't even touching your application so they can get everyone's renewal processed. Average time from application to receiving your permit is around 4 to 6 months.
You can also call the prothon's office to see if they can tell you anything.
Moosie
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Yeah...I stopped by NCC Pro's office last week...a Mr. Dale Broome. He wouldn't even come out. The girl "out front" called him in his office...through her Broome said "Yeah, we're backed up". Nice guy, wouldn't come out, who forgets the people to whom he's responsible...like just about every other public employee including those off-the-wall judges...and especially the so-called prof'l politicians.
Like someone else has said, limit them to two terms...one in office and one in jail.
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lol.. Dale Broome is a women.. SHE was actually very helpful with my permit. this is just a very busy time for them.
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That's funny. I assumed it was a woman and posted as such. Then someone on another board "corrected" me saying "MR. Dale Broome". Great stuff. Thanks for the heads up...now I'm really confused ???
Plus, must be nice working for the gov't with no accountability. When I get backed up, I gotta take care of it. Would be great if the gov't would contract out a lot more than they do...opening it up to for-profit busn. Another agency would be that damned DMV.
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I've spoken to Dale once & received a voice message from her last evening & both times she was very pleasant & professional. I will get my permit soon after over 7 months. I blame the AG's office for dragging there feet not the people that do the work. Maybe the newspaper should do an article on why Delaware is so far behind on matters like this.
knotacare
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The "reception" office sent us down to see Ms. Broome after we filed my wife's application on May 5th, but she did not answer her phone. I called later and left her a VM.
She replied promptly and helpfully... one of the first things she said was "At least you didn't come down here in person!" I admitted that we had been down there, as instructed by the office upstairs. She explained that in-person visits actually make it harder to get the work done, and that she is now the only person (down from 3) in the Prothonotary's office handling new permits & renewals, and that there are more of both this year than ever.
It sounds like a thankless job. Maybe we should send her a pizza or something, anonymously of course, if when we get our permits.
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I realize I am being a bit harsh here. When I dropped off my permit app for NCC, I took a box of mixed DD doughnut holes. The gal was somewhat surprised, and pleased, that anyone would do that. I told her my appreciation was genuine, and hoped they wouldn't just "toss em".
We talked for a few minutes, and she confessed she had to take a pay cut to stay...due to budgetary contraints. So it is easy to be harsh about the backlog. But it does take a little more effort to see the human side.
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Ok, so has anyone contacted her and asked if there's something applicants (or we as a group) could do to maker her life (and the application process) go faster, etc? For example, contact XYZ rep and ask for ______ to happen. She's got to be one of the few people who know what the issues are in the system. I mean, its the government. Its as inefficient as possible.
?? Just something to think about.
Moosie
Oh, wwd, that was a nice gesture with the donut holes.
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Thanks, Moosie.
To follow up on that, I had to go back to the Proth's office for a notary certification filing (I figure becoming a notary sure couldn't hurt my CCDW filing). So I walked into the same office just off the front door entrance with a bag of mixed candy (Hershey's etc) to the same gal. Well, as she directed me 'downstairs', she asked if I wanted to take the bag with me. Of course I said no, and left it.
This week I think I'll go 'downstair's and take that crew their own mixed bag of doughnuts, ID'ing myself so as to hopefully allowing them to feel comfortable eating the 'outside' chow.
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How about a letter like this one.
Honorable State Senators and Representatives,
On February 03, 2010, House Bill 258 was signed into law. House Bill 258 increases, from $34.50 to $65.00, the filing fee assessed by the Superior Court in connection with an application for a license to carry a concealed deadly weapon. The Act also extends the term of validity for new licenses from 2 to 3 years and the term of validity for renewal licenses from 3 to 5 years.
Increasing the fees for licenses, as well as the period for which such licenses are valid, will enhance efficiency and preserve resources by reducing the frequency with which the Superior Court and Attorney General’s Office must allocate resources to administer the program. This was strongly supported by the firearms community.
With that being said I would like to bring some concerns in regards to Delaware’s concealed carry permit process. In the past two years the wait time for a new permit has risen from 60 to 90 days to almost six or more months. This is due to a rise in the amount of applications being submitted and the lack of people to process these applications. This back log is also causing people who need to renew their permits to wait until the middle or the end of May to received their permits when their renewal applications were submitted in the beginning of January or February. There is also a concern that these people may not receive their permits before the May 31‘st deadline leaving these people in legal limbo as to whether or not they are still legally allowed to carry a concealed deadly weapon.
My other concern is the Concealed Carry Permit itself. The permit has absolutely no anti-forgery protection. The permit is a printed card with a passport photo that is laminated. Many State agencies and private business now use computer printed ID cards similar to the drivers' licenses. These cards are less likely to be duplicated or reproduced. One of the State agencies that now use computer printed ID cards is the Delaware State Fire School (EMT cards).
I want to thank you for you time reading this email and would like you to strongly consider sponsoring a bill to rectify these concerns.
Thank you
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I like that... it seems appropriate and polite.
My letter would include something like,
"I drive into unfamiliar neighborhoods, and fix computers in strangers' homes, for a living. If my CCDW permit expires, I'm out of business. Am I eligible to collect unemployment until my renewed permit shows up?"
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Plus, where I live (Rt273/Harmony Rd just off I-95), there is more and more violent crime going on.
Actually, I OC when I can, knowing that it's the greatest deterrent know to man kind, vs CC. But I want the option to CC when appropriate, and so that I don't mistakenly cover-up. Plus, I want the PA and FL permits.
Great notes...send them on. I'll copy and modfiy/personalize, and send 'em also. Any other points to cover?
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I could be wrong, but I wasn’t aware of them ever having more than one person actually doing the work up there. I mean, it’s always been that they were down people. And it has always taken months and months and months. Things have always gotten lost, misfiled, and otherwise delayed. And this was back in the days when the number of applicants was much lower.
It’s not a perfect system, but it does work – eventually. It doesn’t make the process go faster, but some of the applicant’s best defenses are: make sure to keep extra copies of your papers; drop of your papers in person (including renewals); and promptly return all calls.
Most of those people that you meet in the court house are simply normal and nice people that are overworked and underpaid. They did take a pay cut last year, and despite what TNJ claims – most of them are not making $50K a year.
And on at least one occasion, my renewed permit did not come until early August.
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Someone posted about the office being down to 1 from 3. Don't know. All I know is I'm in week 12. Up until a few months ago, from posts on DELOC, on average it was taking just about 12 weeks. Now? God and Dale only know. Anyway, the looooooong wait continues.... ::)
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WWD,
got my CCDW about 3-4 months ago in NCC. Took 19 weeks.
Good luck.
Lumspond
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Guess I got some patience to dig for. I called Dale Broome yesterday, and left a message of gratitude, and asked if it would be beneficial to bring my training CERT. She was very pleasant, and pleased with the call I made yesterday. She said it would save the office the need to notify me, then receive the paperwork, process it again to mail it out...again. So I'll drop it off tomorrow, with some DDonuts to help grease the wheels of progress, and make some stressed and overworked folks' day a little nicer.
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Can I make a suggestion? instead of the donuts, get something different. She just got donuts from another poster here (sorry cant remember who). Maybe some soft pretzels from the phila pretzel place? A hand written note that just says thanks is also always appreciated. just my two cents.
Moosie
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She just got donuts from another poster here
Me, I mentioned below, when I first submitted my app. I do appreciate your suggestion. If I go around lunch time, I'll take a mixed bag of good candy. Thanks, Moosie.
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Walked over around 9am yesterday. Picked up a mixed bag of DDunot holes and delivered with my CCDW training certificate and copy. So we'll see. I'm also going to send a thank you card to Ms. Broome and crew. It's easy to complain about things. Yet it also takes little effort to be thankful.
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Where bringing these people is a very nice gesture we are really missing the underlying issue that people are now going to be without their new permits next week and the May 31'st deadline will have passed. I don't understand why the State has ONE person to do the job of probably four or five people. I truly feel that it is an insult to our intelligence when the State doubled the fee to file to fund the whole process and its taking longer then ever. Look at FL. at least they hired people to help.
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I understand there are waits on renewals. That's not my issue, underlying or otherwise. I was told 90 days when I filed. I hit 90 days on Tuesday, and I haven't heard anything from anyone. So I'd like to get it as soon as I can. ???
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Well, that answers one question: I was wondering if anyone was still waiting for their renewal, facing Tuesday morning without their permits.
That sucks.
When mine showed up Friday, I was hoping all of us had found permits in our mailboxes.
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Well, I feel bad for you who have not gotten your permits. Mail won't be delivered until Tuesday. I'm sure there are still many renewals not even ready to be mailed out.
Most people are good people, whether working in gov't, busn, prof'l, etc. It's not easy on anyone. And to think there are those who want gov't to manage health care for the entire country. Yeah, right...
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Ok, so playing devils advocate here, does the permit have to be issued, mailed, or received by May 31st?
For carrying purposes, I'd imagine that you'd nEed to have it in hand no later than 5/31. OR, if you were carrying June 1st, your permit has been renewed but not received are you still good?
Just thinking out loud. I'll be renewing next year on Jan 1st!
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Ok, so playing devils advocate here, does the permit have to be issued, mailed, or received by May 31st?
For carrying purposes, I'd imagine that you'd nEed to have it in hand no later than 5/31. OR, if you were carrying June 1st, your permit has been renewed but not received are you still good?
Just thinking out loud. I'll be renewing next year on Jan 1st!
Unless they change the law. the permit would need to be received by May 31st, or it would be a felony to carry a concealed weapon on June 1st.
I'm sooooo glad mine showed up Friday. If I still didn't have a permit, I'd be really upset... because I wouldn't take any new PC repair customers until it arrived.
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For carrying purposes, I'd imagine that you'd nEed to have it in hand no later than 5/31. OR, if you were carrying June 1st, your permit has been renewed but not received are you still good?
Well..... Everyone knows mine was renewed on 12 Jan. It did come before 31 May. And yes, it was a long wait.
In May I called my State Rep. His office made a few calls and got it moving (I think). One call I received, his aid said the background has been approved and if it was past 31 May, I could CC. I assume from whoever does the BG check (DOJ?).
I have 2 thoughts on this.
1.) BS! You'd be a FELON.
2.) They would call it in and find out you passed your BG check. But since we have such GREAT communication throughout the entire process, HOW would we know? And you passed your BG check, does that make it official or the Judge's signature???
I think we should write our Reps and ask them to introduce a time limit 60 or 90 days (pick one) to complete everything or it is automatically APPROVED. Would also love to see the State go SHALL ISSUE.
Do we need a new thread to get ideas going so we can all in with the SAME info?
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Radnor, I've been saying this all along.
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I spoke to somebody in the know the other day and the way it was explained to me is... If an officer checks your permit, they key in your name and or permit number into their computer system. If your permit is still valid (not revoked) it will say so. If your permit has expired the system won't show anything, expired,in progress or anything like that, just won't show up. This is also the reason the courts haven't changed the style of permit to more of an I'd card, cause the computer system tells them everything they need, the permit just tells them to look. I imagine once the renewal has been signed and sent for mailing than you are somewhat legal, just have to get the officer to believe you long enough to look it up.
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OK, so nothing shows up. In the mean time, they will take you in for concealing and NOT having a valid permit. Say hello to todays new FELON! No thanks!
Like I said, I was told by my Reps aide, they would have found out the BG was done and it would be OK. I dont feel like gambling with my gun rights like that.
Sig,
New thread to figure out what we'd like to hit our elected officials with? That way we can all go in with the SAME info/request.
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OK, so nothing shows up. In the mean time, they will take you in for concealing and NOT having a valid permit. Say hello to todays new FELON! No thanks!
Like I said, I was told by my Reps aide, they would have found out the BG was done and it would be OK. I dont feel like gambling with my gun rights like that.
Sig,
New thread to figure out what we'd like to hit our elected officials with? That way we can all go in with the SAME info/request.
I agree, get popped carring and lose the right al togther, no thanks
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Hey Radnor check this out and let me know if this works for you.
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=822.0
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Hey Radnor check this out and let me know if this works for you.
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=822.0
Yes, thank you!
I am not concerned as much about the quality (or lack of) in the permit. If stopped, I'm sure they will "run it" to make sure it is valid. (At least I would EXPECT them to.)
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Most wont run it unless you give them reason to.
(from a friend in brown with 20 plus years after I asked about it).
Moosie
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M(F)WAG is not good enough reason?
Not doubting you, but I think the the clowns they encounter daily they would run it.
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What were you doing and where are the pics? :)
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What were you doing and where are the pics? :)
Bag the pics, I want to see the video! Oh, this board is not supposed to go that far.
Oh well, so much for the pics OR video...
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Well, this afternoon begins week 16 of "THE WAIT". Such is the way of life, sometimes...
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This afternoon starts week 21 of THE GREAT CCDW WAIT.
I've been in touch the NCCProth, and the AG's office. Overworked and understaffed is the answer. Looks to me like the government doesn't really want to support this lawful action, and is purposely understaffing this.
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"IT" arrived today. Feb 8th to Aug 20th. So be it.
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Wow, over 7 months! What a joke! But the joke is on us, I guess...
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"IT" arrived today. Feb 8th to Aug 20th. So be it.
The wait for such a "quality" document.... Well worth the wait.
Seriously, glad the wait is finally over (sure you are too).
Congrats!
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My wife's application went in May 5th in NCCo... not a peep yet.
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welcome!
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My wife's application went in May 5th in NCCo... not a peep yet.
good God! that is just plain ridiculous. Did you call about it yet??
Moosie
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I figure calling them won't speed it up any. It'll come in when it comes in.
Besides, she's working in the NJSSR for the next several weeks, so the Right to Keep and Bear Arms doesn't apply anyway.
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Grey. when I talked to them the other day they said they ( ncc) were working on junes applicants now .
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I still think a phone call just to make sure it's on their radar wouldn't hurt. It wont speed things up any, but at least you know someone didnt eat their lunch over it and throw it away!
I'd give a polite call to just check the status.
Hope it comes in soon!
Moosie
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Im with you moosie. I believe I would make a call just to ease my mind.
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Mailed PA app Monday Aug23rd, received license in mail Saturday Aug28th. Pretty impressive.