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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: eclipse on February 17, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
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I heard a rumor the Gov will release the legislation monday. Press confrence tuesday. Can anyone varify?
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House Agenda - as of 02/17/2013 06:59:09 PM
The House of Representatives is currently in recess and will return to session on Tuesday, March 12, 2013. There will be an Out-of-Session Pre-File on Thursday, March 7, 2013.
Senate Agenda - In recess until 2:00 PM 12 March 2013
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After reading the News Journal's story about a kid who has been in and out of trouble and barely spend any time in jail ( where he belonged) finally shot someone I would think the leaders of our state have other issues to deal with like public safety than being concerned with limiting our firearms rights.
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Problem in this and other states is the legal systems failure to prosecute and plea-barganing, weapons used in a crime, down to nothing.
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Problem in this and other states is the legal systems failure to prosecute and plea-barganing, weapons used in a crime, down to nothing.
BINGO! Wish they'd grow a pair and go for broke. If they fail, then the BG walks. If they win, BG has a new address for a long time....
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One thing that does not help is that many of the state politicians talk about being tough on crime yet they seem to find all types of ways to make life easier for criminals. In the last legislative session I think they passed a law that allowed felons to get foodstamps ( they were barred for certain crimes prior) and to have to wait less time in order to vote.
SHould they not focus on making people not want to get involved in crimes instead of making their life easier after they shoot, rape or rob someone?
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I've written to every Delaware politician about my views on their proposed laws and how useless our prison system seems to be. But given the fact this is a democratic state and they seem hell bent on penalizing legal gun owners instead of criminals it seems like a pointless effort. But I will still continue with my letters eventually they will start sending them back I'm sure.
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One thing that does not help is that many of the state politicians talk about being tough on crime yet they seem to find all types of ways to make life easier for criminals. In the last legislative session I think they passed a law that allowed felons to get foodstamps ( they were barred for certain crimes prior) and to have to wait less time in order to vote.
SHould they not focus on making people not want to get involved in crimes instead of making their life easier after they shoot, rape or rob someone?
Careful there silverbullet: Don't start whittling away at my fallback position. As soon as they start coming for the guns I will be an instant felon.
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Careful there silverbullet: Don't start whittling away at my fallback position. As soon as they start coming for the guns I will be an instant felon.
You won't be the only one!!
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To whom it may concern,
The following comes from the 14th Representative District Democratic Committee asking the Legislature and the Governor to draft legislation based on this language. As a hunter, shooter, collector of firearms, and military historian I have some serious concerns about what is about to happen in our state.
"14th RD Democratic Committee Resolution
In Support of Legislation to Reduce Gun Violence in Delaware
WHEREAS, 32 people on average are murdered by guns every day in the United States; and
WHEREAS, there have been more than 70 mass shootings since the January 8, 2011 massacre in Tucson, Arizona where US Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford was critically wounded and nine others were killed, including nine-year Christina-Taylor Green; and
WHEREAS, seven (7) people have been shot to death in Delaware in the first six weeks of 2013; and
WHEREAS, numerous current polls indicate the majority of Americans, including gun owners, support a wide range of policies aimed at reducing gun violence; and
WHEREAS, we will not accept NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre’s belief that “the guys with the guns make the rules” (2009 Conservative Political Action Conference);
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the the 14th RD Democratic Committee charges the 147th General Assembly to pass legislation as proposed by Governor Jack Markell that would
Require background checks for private firearm sales
Require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms
Ban the sale, manufacture, delivery and unlawful possession of large-capacity magazines
Ban the manufacture, sale, delivery and unlawful possession of semi-automatic weapons
Ban possession of a firearm within 300 feet of a school
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the 14th RD Democratic Committee shall send a copy of this resolution to the 62 members of the 147th Delaware General Assembly, Governor Jack Markell, Attorney General Beau Biden, U.S. Senator Tom Carper, U.S. Senator Chris Coons and U.S. Representative John Carney.
Endorsed by the 14th RD Democratic Committee on February 13, 2013"
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me below
Thank you everyone,
Representative 11th District
Dover: 302-744-4171
Wilmington: 302-577-8723
Cell: 302-399-7728
Fax: 302-739-2773
Constituent: jeff.spiegelman@state.de.us
Personal: jeff@jeffderepresentative.com
Legislative Hall: PO Box 1401. Dover, DE 19903
Personal: PO Box 869. Clayton, DE. 19938
www.jeffspiegelman.com
www.jeffderepresentative.com
I just recieved this in an email. Posted with permission from the representative. Note the use of semi auto and not assault weapon or rifle.....
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And yet, still nothing that would prevent criminals amd mentally ill from attacking people and causing mass death and injuries. Criminals don't obey laws and the mentally ill don't care. All this gun control is just bull-feces and a feel-good ploy to apiese the left-wing liberal voters. It only detracts and infringes on the rights of lawful gun owners. Hopefully if this goes through, there will be a Delaware Supreme Court challenge.
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Ban the sale, manufacture, delivery and unlawful possession of large-capacity magazines
Ban the manufacture, sale, delivery and unlawful possession of semi-automatic weapons
That is scary. Both of these provisions state "unlawful" possession. Where does it differentiate between "unlawful" and lawful?
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Not only do we have to feed in many cases the people who grow up to be criminals who will attempt to prey upon us, but now the same people who pass out the public dough want to keep people from being able to protect themselves. In Delaware we are hit double as the Governor is just Obama lite.
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All we need is a shotgun*, according to the all knowing Joe Biden.
*no pistol grip, folding or adjustable stock, flash hider, magazine extension, black paint, firing pin......
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I already have 6 shotguns, but it's hard to conceal them and all the shells it would take. I'll stick with my 9 mm.
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I am sure Joe Biden is just trying his best to have us comply with the proposed Feinstein legislation. The exempt list for shotguns includes the Benelli M2 Field Steady Grip, Super Black Eagle II Steady Grip and Vinci Steady Grip. All of which are semi automatics with pistol grips, some are even painted black. For those of you who are not sure that one of the above listed shotguns would be enough for home defense, the exempt list also includes the M4 model shotgun which according to Benelli was selected by the US Marines as their combat shotgun. I would imagine that Joe would be proud of his fellow Delaware citizens who would defend their homes with a truly legal military combat weapon. Oh, my mistake, Joe is trying pass legislation that would ban military style weapons, firearms that look like a military weapon not the actual make and model.
On the serious side please read any and all the proposed legislation from the gun control advocates. The mistakes they make show their true intent and the stunning lack of expertice of the people who are writing the legislation.
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We've got a list of all of the proposed legislation on the FSFFA PopVox site. You can find it at https://www.popvox.com/orgs/fsffa and you can contact your legislators directly from each piece of legislation.
Sean
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Make it a number one priorty to contact your legislators! Often!
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I'm sure if guns were banned the criminals won't be able to find them. Yeah, Drugs were banned and there's a real shortage on them. How did these people get elected??
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I've got some old shotguns that I'm afraid will be banned now. They might be deemed as high capacity because, not only can they shoot 2 rounds, but you might take the 2 hammers off and beat somebody over the head with them. Hammers need to be banned too, I guess. Crazier things are being proposed.
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I'm sure if guns were banned the criminals won't be able to find them. Yeah, Drugs were banned and there's a real shortage on them. How did these people get elected??
What is sad is that many of those that support gun control honestly believe criminals won't have guns if they are banned. The same people who think its wrong for us to have guns so nothing wrong with cutting jail time for rapists, murderers and so forth. Many of the same politicians also make excuses for why the criminal commits the crimes and try to blame it on society.
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Everyone here is preaching to the choir, this only serves to make us feel better. Solution? Support NRA, DSSA, FSFFA, and continue to tell what you have said here to your state reprensentative and state senator, they are the ones who need to be educated, and persuaded to vote against the proposed laws.
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Everyone here is preaching to the choir, this only serves to make us feel better. Solution? Support NRA, DSSA, FSFFA, and continue to tell what you have said here to your state reprensentative and state senator, they are the ones who need to be educated, and persuaded to vote against the proposed laws.
Very true Frank.
I must add for the most part its true though about preaching to the chior. There are gun owners and some enthusiests who support registration and other things most of us would not even fathom. Contrary to what many on the left think Gun owners are a diverse group.
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Hey silver bullet, welcome to this site.
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Thanks man. I heard it was a good site and has not gone overboard on the political correctness yet.
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I'm the token left-left-liberal on this site, and I can say that the people here are very nice about it.
Maybe they just don't want to beat up on the "slow" kid... but, whatever the reason, it's fine.
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I'm the token left-left-liberal on this site, and I can say that the people here are very nice about it.
Maybe they just don't want to beat up on the "slow" kid... but, whatever the reason, it's fine.
Hey as long as you are not liberal on gun grabbing I am sure you are well recieved.
The second Amendment is one of those issues that Democrat, Republican, Communist, Decent American, Liberal, Conservative or whatever. It is one thing that politics should not play into at all. They can argue over stuff like taxes, roads, and schools leave our guns alone.
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The following in a copy of the pending legislation on reporting lost or stolen firearms.
All Democratis sponsored.
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1103350875636-762/LostandStolenFirearmsBill.pdf
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I really have no issues reporting a lost or stolen firearm. Don't rightly agree it needs to be legislated. My prints are on my firearms! Someone steels one I'm @@@@ well gonna report it. That said I shouldn't be treated like or made to feel like a criminal in doing so!
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I really have no issues reporting a lost or stolen firearm. Don't rightly agree it needs to be legislated. My prints are on my firearms! Someone steels one I'm @@@@ well gonna report it. That said I shouldn't be treated like or made to feel like a criminal in doing so!
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Reminds me of the guy standing under a street light at night. When a cop asks him what he’s doing he claims to be looking for some change he dropped. The cop asks him where he was standing when he dropped the change. The guy says he dropped it about 50 feet down the road. The cops laughs and asks him why he’s looking for it all the way over here? The guy says: “The light’s better over here”
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My thoughts on the legislation.
I am aware there are some who might go as far as being ok with registration as long as we keep our freedom to own guns. I personally am totally against that. I am also against the reporting of a lost or stolen gun. While it sounds good and like it makes sense to report a lost or stolen gun think on these two very important things.
1, The people who push for gun control are often the people who you give an inch they push a mile. I will not give examples because many involve controversial social issues, but I am sure you get the idea. This will just lead to more gun control measures and more and more pushing until the man gets pushed back by patriots.
2, While it sounds good there is also this to think about. Lets say you have your house and vault broken into ( it can happen). SO you report your gun stolen like you are supposed to do. OK great. Now I am sure there is no one that can at least not see it possible that the loss or theft of a gun could cause someone to be denied a carry permit in the future. Bascially it would go down where the powers that be in Delaware would say "If you are not responsible with your guns then you are not responsible enough to carry them". That is the danger and why I have serious issues with mandatory reporting.
Do they make citizens report anything else that is stolen or lost?
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My prints are on file in DBs everywhere.. For legitimate reasons. If someone were to gain access and steal 1 or more of my firearms its simply a wait until the Leo's show up after one is used in a crime.. Which you know will happen. I'd rather have it recorded at the time of theft to clear me in the future.
I'm 100% against registration. I'm a Canadian and fully understand what that leads to. It's happened here and it lead to confiscation. The registry is not defunct but it took the Canadian government 20 years and way too many taxpayers dollars to realize it didn't stop or slow down crime.
I'm also 100% against legislating everything under the sun. I believe it's one of the biggest problems today is that there is a law or a rule or some type of barrier for everything. You can't legislate stupidity and you can't legislate common sense and you can't legislate crime away. Stu-pid people are still stu-pid, people without common sense are still without and crime will continue.. Regardless of the legislation.
The responsibility issue for a permit or whatever later I can't see. I broke no laws, I volunteered reporting the theft, and they'd have been stolen from a locked house from a locked safe.
Actually there are a number of dangerous goods that are regulated, and for good cause, that require reporting if stolen. I know we like to say a 'gun doesn't kill' however it is a dangerous item.
I see your point but I'd still make the report. I'd also be ticked and file a report on any officer who treated or made me feel like a criminal for doing so. I understand its a personal choice, for now, and it should remain so!
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I received a reply from Senator Pat Blevins today to a lettwer I sent stating my objections to any further gun ban laws that are being proposed in Delaware. She acted like she was oblivious to any legislation pending. Has she been sleeping. I received a copy of the proposed bill on "Reporting lost/stolen firearms within 48 hours", and have the PDF version saved on my computer. I received it several days ago. I guess she in not privy to that info. After all, she is only the Senate Pro Tempore. Why would she know what was going on just becausel she is signed on as one of the sponsors.
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I'm new to this site and find it very informative. Thank you all!
I was wondering if these liberal lefties would be willing to give up their 1st amendment rights. Do they realize it will be in jeopardy next? Just thinking.
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I'm new to this site and find it very informative. Thank you all!
I was wondering if these liberal lefties would be willing to give up their 1st amendment rights. Do they realize it will be in jeopardy next? Just thinking.
Actually some of them are in favor of limiting the first amendment as it replies to anything deemed not to be politically correct.
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I'd be in trouble as I don't give a rats hiney about "Political Correctness". It is a surpression of free speech in my book. I say, tell it like it is, not as you think someone would like to hear it. I come from a long line of people the said what they mean ans mean what they say.
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Your senator is not alone in her behavior. A friend of mine was elected a representative, he studied the laws he had to vote on, for two days. When the first one came up for vote, nearly half the reps were asleep. He woke up the the one seated next to him, and told him a law was up for vote, the man replied " is it ours or theirs". He did not care what bill, or what was in it, nor did he have a clue what was in any of the bills they voted on that day. Only which party introduced the bill.
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The Fienstein Bill was suppose to be brought up for discussion in committee today (2/27). No further word at this time.
This just out 4 hours ago:
http://news.yahoo.com/senators-clash-over-ban-assault-weapons-160554153--finance.html
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Update on todays Feinstein Bill Senate hearing:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/27/fact-check-sen-feinstein-claims-u-s-has-witnessed-an-increased-number-of-mass-shootings-during-gun-control-hearing/
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Update on todays Feinstein Bill Senate hearing:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/27/fact-check-sen-feinstein-claims-u-s-has-witnessed-an-increased-number-of-mass-shootings-during-gun-control-hearing/
I had read from more than one source that Feinstein really loaded the witnesses with the anti-gun foes and people who have been victims of gun violence. I feel for people like that dad that lost his daughter ( or son), but because of a madman I dont see them being able to say I or we should not be able to own ar-15 rifles.
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Feinstein said, "the people at Sandy Hook, Aroura, and Colimbine, all had one thing in common. They were killed with a semi-automatic gun with a high volume magazine". That is incorrect or decietful at best. The one thing they all had in common was they were all committed by young mentally ill males. The same thing with the shooting in the King Street NCC Court House. Mentally ill.
Wait a minute, I think I see a pattern here...........Duh, ya' think?
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Feinstein said, "the people at Sandy Hook, Aroura, and Colimbine, all had one thing in common. They were killed with a semi-automatic gun with a high volume magazine". That is incorrect or decietful at best. The one thing they all had in common was they were all committed by young mentally ill males. The same thing with the shooting in the King Street NCC Court House. Mentally ill.
Wait a minute, I think I see a pattern here...........Duh, ya' think?
People say mentally ill alot in this. I think there should be a stronger word like deranged. There are many people who have mental illness from some axiety to a slight depression. I know our gov is foaming at the mouth to limit their gun rights and I dont agree with that one bit. IF someone is so dangerous and mentally ill not to own a gun they should be decided with due process.
I know rape victims and many decided to buy firearms after their attacks. I am sure some went through depressions. I would be concerned if our government would say they should not be able to own guns.
Just my thoughts. I am not totally disagreeing.
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silverbullet has a very serious point here. Genetics are not on my side when it comes to treatable disorders. I feel pain for those that suffer from these benign issues. At the same time I understand the stigma attached. Government can make whatever they want out of it. Due process is just as important here as anywhere else.
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Last Sunday I attended the Protest Rally in Dover with the 9/12 Project. About 100 people were there with signs and Gadsen Flags. I was actually pleasantly surprised at the number of cars passing us by that were honking horns, thumbs-up with smiles and showing support. Only one woman in the passenger seat of a car, drove by giving us all the "single-digit-salute". At least she was the only one that I could clearly see that was being obviously hostile towards us. While this is somewhat encouraging, I still fear that we will have a large fight on our hands at both the State and the Federal levels for sometime to come. To be honest, I don't think this is a battle that we will win completely, if at all. There are too many emboldened State-ists, Socialists and other outright Bullies who hate us and our liberty, both in our State and region of the country. They somehow believe that when the final death-blow is dealt to us that they will be at the top and in control to benefit from the tyranny. The history of Communism and other forms of tyranny does not bear this out. History proves that eventually they too will be subjugated along with you and I. Knowing that my enemy will share my misery brings me little solace. I know that I have a moral and ethical duty to continue to write the letters, persuade with logic in a peaceful manner; all of which I have done and will continue to do, but truthfully, it falls upon deaf ears when the agenda is tyranny. The best that we can hope for is to slow them down and challenge the State-ists at their own game - the court.
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