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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Sigarms12 on March 13, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
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Fond this letter on Facebook, it appears Millers Guns has Sold Out. I will never step foot in there again.
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I did not like the place to begin with. Every time I had been in there the staff was either short, did not seem to want to help or was not knowlegable. I am sure everyone there might not be like that but it does seem that is a pattern.
For what its worth the reason he might support this is because they are hoping they will actually get some business doing transfers. Most people seem to prefer x-ring, shooters choice, or targetmaster.
I hope this circulates to all gun owners.
He who is not with us is against us.
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Sounds like the word "BOYCOTT" is appropriate for Miller's
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Of course they support the bill. How much money will they make off of the encroachment of our freedom? I will spend my money elsewhere. That were always rude anyways. Treat you like they are the only place in town.
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That store has sucked for awhile now, more reasons to never go back. And of course they support it they think it will make them money, too bad no one will walk in the door now.
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Don't see myself visiting this place. I prefer to try and buy accessories and ammo I don't shoot a ton of locally. Firearms also as long as they aren't too much more than online. However supporting any of these new bills just tells me to stay away.
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I have been debating wether to voice my opinion but decided I should. I have a small gun shop and I see the side that you guys dont. I will use the most extreme case that happened recently as an example. customer comes in wants 3 AR15's I give him the paper work and he says I have to have my wife fill out the paperwork i dont think I can have these (yes he said this to me) giving him the benefit of the doubt I asked was he a felon and he said i dont think so and went into his speech. I told him he will have to do the paperwork so he did and failed, I had atf call for update on address the works. some of his story led me to check the sex offenders list and there he was listed VIOLENT REPEAT OFFENDER. So the background check worked. The next day he comes in with 2 AR15's for me to mount scopes on, yes he bought them from the guide private sales. This happens all the time.
Having said that It bothers me that everyone will boycott millers for there statement. I have never been in millers nor do I know them. I personaly think that requireing people to do background checks on private sales is the only measure our government will impose on us that will do any good. Now I know it will not fix the problem and criminals will always have guns. I personally do not agree with people thinking us gun shops are looking at this as a money maker. I personally hate doing transfers, but i do because it gets me new customers and maybe they will buy from me sometime.
Well Im sure i will be bashed for my comments but oh well
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I appreciate everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with them. It sounds like you support the bill.
I am sure people boycotting millers could do the same to your shop if you put the name of it out. I would think if you agree with the bill you should have no issue naming your shop here so people can make an informed choice about where they spend their money.
I do realize background checks are not a horrible idea. the problem is it will just lead to more laws and more laws and then you are out of business because you have hardly any guns to sell and people cant possess them. The problem is people don't always see the big picture.
I mean this as no offense as I don't know you. I plan to boycott millers ( i have already just becuase of service) if you believe in the bill then you should put your shop's name out if you truely believe in the principle.
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Miller's either never knew or has forgatten the Golden Rule of Business! They just shat on the customers that made their business work.
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I have been debating wether to voice my opinion but decided I should. I have a small gun shop and I see the side that you guys dont. I will use the most extreme case that happened recently as an example. customer comes in wants 3 AR15's I give him the paper work and he says I have to have my wife fill out the paperwork i dont think I can have these (yes he said this to me) giving him the benefit of the doubt I asked was he a felon and he said i dont think so and went into his speech. I told him he will have to do the paperwork so he did and failed, I had atf call for update on address the works. some of his story led me to check the sex offenders list and there he was listed VIOLENT REPEAT OFFENDER. So the background check worked. The next day he comes in with 2 AR15's for me to mount scopes on, yes he bought them from the guide private sales. This happens all the time.
Having said that It bothers me that everyone will boycott millers for there statement. I have never been in millers nor do I know them. I personaly think that requireing people to do background checks on private sales is the only measure our government will impose on us that will do any good. Now I know it will not fix the problem and criminals will always have guns. I personally do not agree with people thinking us gun shops are looking at this as a money maker. I personally hate doing transfers, but i do because it gets me new customers and maybe they will buy from me sometime.
Well Im sure i will be bashed for my comments but oh well
Not to bash you by any means! I see your point and it is a valid point! However, my view is this. This guy would have found a way to get these guns even if private sales required background checks. Criminals and people wanting to do harm will always find the means. My whole point is the politicians are not focusing on measures that would prevent these people wanting to do harm and criminals from repeat offending. I believe giving these people an inch and allowing these private sale background checks will cause them to take a mile. And the few instances stated above would have prevented but I doubt would make a difference in the long run. IMHO.
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I appreciate everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with them. It sounds like you support the bill.
I am sure people boycotting millers could do the same to your shop if you put the name of it out. I would think if you agree with the bill you should have no issue naming your shop here so people can make an informed choice about where they spend their money.
I do realize background checks are not a horrible idea. the problem is it will just lead to more laws and more laws and then you are out of business because you have hardly any guns to sell and people cant possess them. The problem is people don't always see the big picture.
I mean this as no offense as I don't know you. I plan to boycott millers ( i have already just becuase of service) if you believe in the bill then you should put your shop's name out if you truely believe in the principle.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BILL......Infact not that it would do any good but i suggested that nics (background check system) be avalible to private citizens to run checks for themselves via a web based system this cuts out the middle man (if they were to pass the bill).
As you stated "its not a horrible idea"
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I haven't shopped at Miller's in a decade, and I certainly won't start now: they're not really my kind of store.
I don't support the bill. I don't think it will prevent gun sales between criminals, or gun thefts, or violent crime.
However, I would be shocked if some sort of universal background check bill is not passed, on the state and/or federal level. There is about a zero percent chance that the current gun laws will remain unchanged after Newtown, with the media and the politicians determined to make it look like they're doing something. If we can avoid a renewed, strengthened AWB and magazine size restrictions, that will be a major victory.
If they're going to do background checks, there are two major possibilities:
--Gun dealers do them, and keep the records the same way they already do. With the BATFE required to destroy the background check data after 24 hours, this would be the least intrusive on our rights. If a gun you sold was used in a crime, you would just tell the BATFE that you transferred it legally through a FFL, but you would not be expected to prove it. It's not going to prevent crime, but it's also not going to make criminals out of us.
--Individual sellers are expected to keep the proof of the background checks. This is one of the approaches favored by various lawmakers, but it's a terrible idea for us. If a gun you sold was used in a crime, you would be required to produce a document... what would happen if you lost it? Would you be charged with a crime? Could the victims of the crime take legal action against you? How long would you have to dig through the crap in your attic until you found it?
Remember, there are a lot of "gun control" schemes being floated right now, ranging from bad to much worse. To avoid the worst of them, we need to consider the likely event that the antis will pass something... and work to make sure it's merely bad, and not worse.
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I dont like Millers all that much as well but I do agree with them and this Bill. I always said that private sales without a background check is ridiculous and unsafe. Doing a background check thru a dealer and not thru a private sale doesn't make much sense. Then why do a background check at all??
Remember, the a**hole from Sandy Hook was denied twice at Dick's Sporting Goods to purchase an AR15. So your telling me this fool can purchase an AR15 from a parking lot of a Walmart thru a private sale without a back ground check and shoot a bunch of kids, and that's ok with you?? Everyone needs to be checked out, period. I know bad people are going to get guns illegally regardless, but atleast its the right step to keep us all a little more safe.
I think this is a good thing, but this is as far as I want the government to go
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I dont like Millers all that much as well but I do agree with them and this Bill. I always said that private sales without a background check is ridiculous and unsafe. Doing a background check thru a dealer and not thru a private sale doesn't make much sense. Then why do a background check at all??
Remember, the a**hole from Sandy Hook was denied twice at Dick's Sporting Goods to purchase an AR15. So your telling me this fool can purchase an AR15 from a parking lot of a Walmart thru a private sale without a back ground check and shoot a bunch of kids, and that's ok with you?? Everyone needs to be checked out, period. I know people are going to get guns regardless, but atleast its a step to keep us all safe.
I think this is a good thing, but this is as far as I want the government to go
If you think giving into the government on this ( regardless of the merits) wont lead to more gun control you are sadly mistaken. Like has been said, there is a point to this and I could get behind if this bill would be it. We know it wont, which is why I don't think any liberty minded person should support and any republican or supposed conservative democrat who does needs to get a primary challenge.
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If you think giving into the government on this ( regardless of the merits) wont lead to more gun control you are sadly mistaken. Like has been said, there is a point to this and I could get behind if this bill would be it. We know it wont, which is why I don't think any liberty minded person should support and any republican or supposed conservative democrat who does needs to get a primary challenge.
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I believe in sensible gun laws and too me this is sensible. I dont believe in laws that ban 30 round mags and ban rifles because they have a scary looking accessory on them. Again, I support a law that makes sense and if you ever purchased a gun at a gun show or gun shop, then the government knows about it
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Blah .. Millers.
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MY NAME IS KENNETH MARTIN DIXON. WILMINGTON, DELAWARE BORN. VIETNAM VET. FORMER POLICE OFFICER.AND A NRA MEMBER. I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH MILLERS GUN CENTER SINCE 1971. I HAVE BROUGHT MORE RIFLES, SHOTGUNS AND HANDGUNS, THEN MOST OF YOU HAVE FINGERS AND TOES. I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH BOB, HE HAS BEEN A FRIEND EVERY SINCE.
I HAVE FOUND THE MILLERS TO BE WARM AND DECENT PEOPLE. AND IN ALL THE YEARS OF DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM, I HAVE NEVER EVER FOUND THEM RUDE NOR DISRESPECTFUL TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. YES AT TIME THE ARE BUSY AND RUSHED, SOME TIMES SUPER BUSY. YOU DO ONE OF THREE THINGS, YOU WAIT YOUR TURN, LEAVE AND COME BACK SOME OTHER TIME, OR YOU LEAVE AND DON'T COME BACK. YOUR CHOICE.
I TO SUPPORT BACK GROUND CHECKS. ALL WAYS HAVE, ALWAY WILL. SOME OF YOU FOLKS, AND YOUR THINKING IS WHY LAWFUL GUN OWNER GET A BAD RAP. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT SUPPORT BACK GROUND CHECKS. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT EVERY PERSON WHO BUYS A FIREARM TO BE CLEARED AS A NON CRIMNAL. I HAVE A DELAWARE, PENN, AND FL. CCDW PERMT. I KNOW THE THINGS I HAS TO DO TO GET THEM, AND THE COST. I AT LEAST WANT A GUN BUYER TO GET A BACK GROUND CHECK.
IT MAKES ME THINK SOME OF CAN'T PASS A BACK GROUND CHECK YOURSELFS , OR YOU ARE STRAW BUYERS.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ANY FFL DEALER, GUN SHOW GUN SELLER AND PRIVATE SELLER, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW THEY ARE NOT SELLING A FIREARM TO SOME ONE PROHIBITED AND IF THAT PERSON HARMS SOME ONE WITH THAT GUN. WHO DO YOU THINK THE LAW AND FAMILY ARE GOING TO COME AFTER.
THIS I WILL TELL YOU, THE COST TO THE SELLER IS GOING TO BE PALE COMPARE TO THE MONEY MADE OFF THE GUN SELL. THE LEGAL COST OF A TRIAL AND POSSIBLE JAIL TIME. GREED MAKES PEOPLE DUMBER THEN DUMB. AND IT MAKES THE GENERAL PUBLIC THINK WE ARE TRUELY GUN NUTS. IF YOU THINK BACK GROUND CHECKS ARE WRONG, MAYBE YOU SHOULD NOT OWN OR HANDLE A FIREARM. IF YOU DO NOT SEE THE SENSE IN IT, GO GET SO HELP. YOU ARE WORKING WITH A MAJOR BRAIN DEFECT.
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KENNETH MARTIN DIXON first take a deep breath and breath, please don't come here as a new member and start bashing people it's not very polite. Second your missing the point. No one here is against background checks. With that being said the point is that the law does little to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of criminals. Yes it will stop some, but the point is Millers is supporting this law to make money, he claims it takes 5 minutes to do the paperwork yet he charges $50. If he's so for this why doesn't he charge $20 like other FFL's charge. I don't know too many people who have had a good expeirence at Millers and wether you want to believe it or not they are rude 90% of the time to people that are not repeat customers. I made my decision a long time ago not to give them my business and yes I believe they are selling out.
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KENNETH MARTIN DIXON first take a deep breath and breath, please don't come here as a new member and start bashing people it's not very polite. Second your missing the point. No one here is against background checks. With that being said the point is that the law does little to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of criminals. Yes it will stop some, but the point is Millers is supporting this law to make money, he claims it takes 5 minutes to do the paperwork yet he charges $50. If he's so for this why doesn't he charge $20 like other FFL's charge. I don't know too many people who have had a good expeirence at Millers and wether you want to believe it or not they are rude 90% of the time to people that are not repeat customers. I made my decision a long time ago not to give them my business and yes I believe they are selling out.
I second what sig said.
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For the guys supporting Millers.
Most on this board, have the CCDW. we have spent some money doing this. We are law abiding. Its not a C n R liscene. I think this is where most of us have issues with this law. If Millers had said, these people spent alot on being legal, they are fingerprinted and should be allowed to trade between each other, Then I would shut this thread down.
Raymond, if someone could not pass a pic, and he came back with 2 ar's . And you did not call him in and report it.
Shame on you, you are as guilty as he is. Think about it. IF the system worked, you would be able to call him in, and get him arrested for intent , for trying to purchase.
As far as Millers, And Targetmaster. They are listed, big stores. When you talk to someone that works at these places, they will tell you sometimes, so many "thugs" "Hoodie rats" (is how they say it, not me) The guys that really should not own. They come in all day , ruin attitudes.. So us hard working people, stop in at the end of the day. And counter people are just worn out from dealing with these delinqents, we get their cold shoulder. Just like DMV. Think about wed nights. Its now just sinking in , isnt' it.
I'm not for this law, but Its' not the end of the world. The next two are important.
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Kenneth, thank you for your years of service. Vet and force.
Hope you realize that we are all just tired of fighting for our rights not to be taken away. No brain issues with most of us.
After Sandy Hook, The media, and others, have treated gun owners. like Vietnam vets on their return. I think you can see that.
And welcome back to the forum. I see you were here back a few years ago.
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More laws & rules just make for more of the same. This just makes more problems for the law abiding citizens. The real problem is keeping the bad guys off the streets & our criminal courts system is a joke. Why do the police know most of the criminals? I don't understand how a law enforcement officer stands it most of the time, locking up the same people & watching them walk time after time. Until this is changed no amount of laws on any kind of gun control will solve anything. As for Millers they can say or do what ever they want it's a free country & they are in business to make a profit. I've been in there on & off for over 20 yrs. They've never been rude, but they do seem rushed at times...guess that's a good thing for them.
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I never had many problems at Miller's but now i do. Lost my business (and all of my friends). Besides, X-Ring is cheaper by far.
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KENNETH MARTIN DIXON first take a deep breath and breath, please don't come here as a new member and start bashing people it's not very polite. Second your missing the point. No one here is against background checks. With that being said the point is that the law does little to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of criminals. Yes it will stop some, but the point is Millers is supporting this law to make money, he claims it takes 5 minutes to do the paperwork yet he charges $50. If he's so for this why doesn't he charge $20 like other FFL's charge. I don't know too many people who have had a good expeirence at Millers and wether you want to believe it or not they are rude 90% of the time to people that are not repeat customers. I made my decision a long time ago not to give them my business and yes I believe they are selling out.
Wonder if he came her solely to defend millers. I dont think it will help
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One thing Kenneth doesn't seem to get, it was voiced on record yesterday, this Bill will HELP with tracking firearms...If there is no other reason to not support this Bill, that is the reason!
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FYI -
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=111425
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I was at the hearing, Miller was called on to testify by the bill's sponsors. However, as legislaters asked him questions and he was allowed to talk, his testimony actually helped our cause, because of Representatives questions. As he talked, you could see the two sponsors cringe, it was great! I have mixed feelings about a boycott, but strongly disagree with his supporting HB.35.
Any gun owner who supports this bill, needs to re-examine history, registration leads to confiscation, confiscation leads to totalitarian government, or worse, some form of genocide. The historical evidence is overwhelming! Those who would say it can not happen here need to talk to a gun owner from Canada, Great Britain, or Australia. Ask a German Jew, Armenian, or any of the many examples of oppression, what they think of gun registration. NO LAWS will ever prevent a badman or a madman from obtaining a gun or doing bad things, these laws only serve to make people feel safe, and to hurt law abiding gun owners. It is not about gun control, it is about control. Remember, those who do not remember history, are doomed to repeat it. Our second Amendment was written by very smart men, to protect the other nine amendments in the Bill of Rights.
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It's the age old story , Laws don't stop criminals!! That's why their called criminals. They didn't obide by the laws that stop you from going in a place and shooting it up so what does another law do? I truly believe its a moral problem not a gun law problem. Maybe they should outlaw cars they kill WAY more people than guns ?
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I agree Muleman88.
Open question to any and all politicians:
Show me a gun law that can't be broken? Show me the law that will protect all of us from deadly danger?
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There is no law that will not be broken. There is no law that will protect us from deadly danger.
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As well as cars, add doctors to that list, 98 thousand malpractice deaths each year!
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I agree Muleman88.
Open question to any and all politicians:
Show me a gun law that can't be broken? Show me the law that will protect all of us from deadly danger?
Answer:
There is no law that will not be broken. There is no law that will protect us from deadly danger.
I think the second amendment is one law ( if followed) would 100% at least help protect us from danger. The problem is too many people want to limit it. Its a proven scientific facts that criminals hate armed victims ( ok maybe not scientific but sounded good when I heard it)
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I was at the hearing, Miller was called on to testify by the bill's sponsors. However, as legislaters asked him questions and he was allowed to talk, his testimony actually helped our cause, because of Representatives questions. As he talked, you could see the two sponsors cringe, it was great! I have mixed feelings about a boycott, but strongly disagree with his supporting HB.35.
Any gun owner who supports this bill, needs to re-examine history, registration leads to confiscation, confiscation leads to totalitarian government, or worse, some form of genocide. The historical evidence is overwhelming! Those who would say it can not happen here need to talk to a gun owner from Canada, Great Britain, or Australia. Ask a German Jew, Armenian, or any of the many examples of oppression, what they think of gun registration. NO LAWS will ever prevent a badman or a madman from obtaining a gun or doing bad things, these laws only serve to make people feel safe, and to hurt law abiding gun owners. It is not about gun control, it is about control. Remember, those who do not remember history, are doomed to repeat it. Our second Amendment was written by very smart men, to protect the other nine amendments in the Bill of Rights.
I agree about leading to registration and confiscation. I think one problem that many gun owners do not realize is the complicity that some in the gun business will play in something like this. Anytime there is an oppressed group ( gun owners in this example), there is always a member of the oppressed that will sell out. People often do not know that several jewish people worked for the nazi's thinking it would allow them to live longer. Many did it just to stay alive but others more than willingly sold out there people. During slavery when a slave ran away there was always a slave that would tattle thinking he would get special privlege. This is what I believe occured with Miller's and it will with others like Senator Lopez supporting this bill not realizing it will go further.
Now I am not trying to ruffle feathers making historical points. I did not write history. I just studied it and Frank's examples and mine are spot on about gun control and mine are how people who should be on our side are complicit in this. I go as far as saying Obama voters who claim to be gun supporters are complicit in this as many said he had "no intrest in our guns". He might never had shown his gun grab agenda as much at the natinoal level, but sometimes reading between the lines is needed.
One probelm faced at the natinoal level is that criticism of Obama because of his policies are met with allegations of racism. A white president would not have that card to fall behind. Notice CLinton could not get healthcare through but Obama did. In Delaware we are getting it both ways. We are under attack from our state and federal tryanny.
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Your opinion on the politeness of the staff at a store is based solely on your experience. Millers staff was always short and several times downright rude to me. I stopped going years ago. X-ring staff has always been polite and helpful TO ME, also while dealing with the same crowds and "idiots" all day. If you have a different experience walking through the door, then that's good. Enjoy Millers.
I also disagree with their support of this bill.
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Wanted to also mention, please don't type in all caps. You may be unaware that its considered "yelling". Silly maybe.
Cheers
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TWISTEDKARMA, THANK YOU. WITH BEING RETIRED, HUNTING, FISHING, AND YES SHOOTING I DO NOT GET ON THIS FORUM MUCH AND I VISIT ABOUT A DZ OTHER FORUMS. I GOTTEN GOOD INFORMATION AND MET A FEW GOOD PEOPLE FROM THIS FORUM.
AS FOR SILVERBULLET, I AM NOT NEW TO THIS FORUM. I DID NOT GET ON HERE TO DEFEND MILLER'S. THEY DO NOT NEED ME FOR THAT. BUT IF I CHOSE TO, IT IS MY RIGHT. YOU AND THIS GANG THAT THINK THE BILL IS WRONG, HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION. BUT STOP TRYING TO VOCALLY SHOVE YOUR HOLY THEN THOU OPINION DOWN PEOPLE THROATS, WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. SOME OF YOU ON HERE AND OTHERS NOT, ARE AS BAD AS THE ANTI-GUNNERS. YOU TALK LOUD ABOUT THINGS THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE CAN NOT AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN. WHAT IS WRONG WITH TRACKING FIREARMS. YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT. THEN YOU ARE FOOLISH, BIG TIME. YOU THINK THE GOVT. GOING TO COME TAKE YOUR FIREARMS. NEVER HAPPEN, THEY WOULD ONLY GET THE BUSINESS END OF THEM. AND YOU WOULD NEVER FIND ENOUGH POLICE AND SOLDIERS, WHO WOULD PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR THAT DEADLY TASK..
ANOTHER THING, WHAT IS SO WRONG ABOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK. HOW DO YOU TRACK A STOLEN FIREARM AND RETURN IT TO IT'S RIGHTFUL OWNER. IF NO RECORD OF IT EXIST. OR TRACK WHO BROUGHT A FIREARM FROM WHO, WHERE AND WHEN.
AND IF YOU ARE CCDW PERMIT HOLDER YOU GOT A BACK GROUND CHECK. IF YOU THOUGHT OR THINK THEY ARE SO BAD, WHY DID YOU GET ONE...???. IF FIREARMS HAVE NO ORGIN, I WONDER HOW MANY MORE CRIMES WOULD BE COLD CASES. ANY THING THAT HELP OUR LEO, AND STOPS THE CRIMINAL, NO MATTER HOW SMALL, I AM FOR. I WILL NEVER BE PARANOID, WORRYING ABOUT WHAT '' MIGHT '' HAPPEN. AND IF IT DOES, I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU FORUM WARRIORS WILL STAND WITH ME, TO FIGHT AND RESIST TO THE DEATH THE LOSS OF YOUR FIREARMS. OR WILL YOU SNEAK AND TURN THEM IN TO SAVE YOUR SORRY BUTTS. I SEEN HOW YOU SUNSHINE SUPERMAN WORK. TALK LOUD, BUT WHEN THE S__T HITS THE FAN. YOU LOSE HEART.
ONE LAST THING, FOR LUMSPOND, YOU CAN'T AND NEVER COULD YELL ON A COMPUTER. YEA I WAS SILLY.
GOD BLESS ALL WHO FIGHT FOR OUR GUN RIGHTS. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. AGREE, DISAGREE, I LOVE YOU ALL.
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SecondHandLion.. Please turn your caps off. It is considered yelling online. Once explained and when ignored its simply rude and ignorant. Perhaps you didn't understand this bit of netiquette, however, now its been explained and you know better. Please turn your caps lock off and type correctly. Thank you.
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SecondHandLion
Glad we can agree each is entitled to their opinion.
You say it will never happen as far as gun control goes. find a bunch of people your age and ask them if when they were in their 20s they thought we would ever have an ultra liberal president like Obama. Must would say no.
Never say Never. Do I think there will be a gun grab? I dont know. DO I think if obama and his kind thought they could get away with it? Yes 100% I think they would. He already has been more brazen then any president Heck look at the de facto amnesty? No president has ever done that ( reagan had approval from congress) and yet no one calls him on things he does because of the fear of being called a racist.
as a note I dont want to turn this into an issue of the amnesty I am simply pointing out brazen actions of his. I believe his executive privlege with gun walking at the last minute is another example. I was anti-obama before it was cool and he is proving me right everyday. He is proving my late father right everyday and my father died three years before he came into office
You have a right to defend millers. The rest of us have a right to boycott them and plan to. You have a right to shop there. Believe me if Guns were returnable I am sure there are many people would buy them just to return them after this.
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I grew up in Canada. I remember when the Canadian government setup their Registry for firearms. I also remember the 10's of thousands of firearms which were confiscated in the following years. I also remember the many many people jailed as criminals for simply owning them as well.
Do NOT think for one second that it can't happen here. It has already been tested in the aftermath of Katrina where 1000s of firearms were confiscated from their owners at gun point with very little resistance. There is most certainly an agenda by devoted anti-gun people who include many powerful people in this government at the highest of levels and they are very well funded. It can happen anywhere.
Edit.. Btw that Registry has just recently been abolished as the government realized that it hadn't helped reduce crime or shootings in anyway. It's was a complete waste of 100s of millions of $s over the years and that was it.
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At my age, I need 2 power, guessing that he served in Vietnam, He probally cant see lower cases that well.
Lets all get past that cap issue.
I posted in Del news about a similar bill.
It covers if you know them or not, and increases penalties for straw type purchases.
It is specific in not leading to tracking.
We need to focus on what the wording is on that, look at that bill.
AND PUT YOUR ENERGY INTO Getting letters to reps about this.
we've all said our opinions. Horse is dead. lets move, lean forward, how ever you want to proceed.
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I have some questions for anyone who thinks firearms confiscation can't happen here.
Why does Obama want a civilian "army" with as much power and as well trained as the military? He said that you know.
Why does Homeland Security need 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and 2700 armoured vehicles? Could this be his civilian army?
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AGAIN TWISTEDKARMA THANK YOU, I CAN'T SEE AS WELL. BUT I ALSO KNOW I CAN'T YELL ON A COMPUTER. SO ADRENOLIN, NO. SO PLEASE STICK WITH THE ISSUE. WE ARE ALL IN THIS FIGHT TOGETHER. NO ONE IS MORE RIGHT THEN THE OTHER SIDE, TILL THE FACTS PROVE IT SO.
I WILL STAND WITH YOU AND YOURS, EVEN IF THERE WAS NO CONSTITUTION. BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A NATURAL RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. FOR OUR FAMILYS AND SELFS. IF WE CAN DEFENCE THE COUNTRY, STATE AND OUR CITIES ( WITH GUNS ). WHY NOT OUR SELFS. WITH OUT THESE GUN COWARDS ASSAULTING OUR RIGHT TO DO SO.
OUR FIREARMS ARE LEGALLY MADE, MOST LEGALLY SOLD. AND AS LONG AS WE USE THEM IN A PROPER LAWFUL MANNER, WE SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE. DEAL WITH THE LAW BREAKERS WITH THIS HEAVY HAND THEY TRY TO USE ON THE LAWFUL GUN OWNER. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE LIKE, WANT, NEED ANY FIREARMS, IF WE PASS THE CHECKS AND BALANCES PLACED ON US. AND AS LONG AS WE GUN OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE, IT IS NO ONE BUSINESS, OUR MAGAZINE SIZE, TYPE OF FIREARM WE HAVE. BUT IT CAN NOT BE SOME OBEY THE LAW, AND SOME DON'T. THIS IS THE FUEL THAT KEEP THESE GUN DEBATE BURNING. WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER BETTER, TO SUPPORT OUR GUN RIGHTS. IF NOT SOME DAY, THE JACK BOOT THUGS WILL BE BANGING ON YOUR DOOR. THEN YOU WILL TAKE THE TEST, BUT I FEAR IT WILL BE TO LATE, AND WE WILL HAVE FAILED.
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I have some questions for anyone who thinks firearms confiscation can't happen here.
Why does Obama want a civilian "army" with as much power and as well trained as the military? He said that you know.
Why does Homeland Security need 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and 2700 armoured vehicles? Could this be his civilian army?
And.... No hesitation targets (get your google on)
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I have some questions for anyone who thinks firearms confiscation can't happen here.
Why does Obama want a civilian "army" with as much power and as well trained as the military? He said that you know.
Why does Homeland Security need 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and 2700 armoured vehicles? Could this be his civilian army?
There is no doubt that a civilian army in the USA would be modeled after and resemble every fourth world attempt at cheap power.
I would fully expect a fundamentally corrupt regiment with questionable recruits and poorly trained, unmotivated troops. Our biggest concern would likely be hiding our treasure from the looters in command.
Such an army may just be a great source of all types of weapons and ammo. And street drugs for the usual customers.
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Since we all spoke our minds, or what"s left of them. And now the thread is going somewhere else, time to shut it down. lets focus on moving forward together.