Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: seniorgeek on March 14, 2014, 07:07:37 PM
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Again a bill for reciprocity across all states have been introduced in the House and Senate. How much support does the version have? Well, I say it will pass the House and did the one in 2011 but fail in the Senate unless the Dems in the Senate feel that this may hurt their reelection campaign.
http://www.guns.com/2014/03/13/national-right-carry-act-house-allow-50-state-reciprocity/ (http://www.guns.com/2014/03/13/national-right-carry-act-house-allow-50-state-reciprocity/)
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In theory I think this is a good idea but there are others who think this will lead to a back door for registration.
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Not really sure this is a good idea. For one thing, people that live in states like Maryland and New Jersey that can't get home state carry permits would be left out in the cold. At least now they can get Florida, Utah or Arizona permits and carry in a lot of other states.
Think also about folks from Constitutional carry states like Vermont who do not need a permit.
I would support if any carry permit from any state was valid in any state and residents of Constitutional Carry states were accommodated. Like the new law in Oklahoma.
If we can get shall issue nationwide then this might be a good idea.
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Seniorgeek is right. It will pass in the House, but Dingy Harry Reid will refuse to allow it on the floor of the US Senate.
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Not really sure this is a good idea. For one thing, people that live in states like Maryland and New Jersey that can't get home state carry permits would be left out in the cold. At least now they can get Florida, Utah or Arizona permits and carry in a lot of other states.
Think also about folks from Constitutional carry states like Vermont who do not need a permit.
I would support if any carry permit from any state was valid in any state and residents of Constitutional Carry states were accommodated. Like the new law in Oklahoma.
If we can get shall issue nationwide then this might be a good idea.
As it's written...a person from say NJ could still get a permit from FL and carry in every state EXCEPT NJ.
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Not really sure this is a good idea. For one thing, people that live in states like Maryland and New Jersey that can't get home state carry permits would be left out in the cold. At least now they can get Florida, Utah or Arizona permits and carry in a lot of other states.
Think also about folks from Constitutional carry states like Vermont who do not need a permit.
I would support if any carry permit from any state was valid in any state and residents of Constitutional Carry states were accommodated. Like the new law in Oklahoma.
If we can get shall issue nationwide then this might be a good idea.
As it's written...a person from say NJ could still get a permit from FL and carry in every state EXCEPT NJ.
Well that is better. Report I saw said that you would have to have permit from your home state.
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Here is a novel idea. If they want to compare CCW's with driver's license then they should also put violations of carrying a concealed weapon on par with driving violations. Instead of overreacting, give the guy a ticket and not ruin his life because he failed to be aware of a quirk in a law three states over from his own. This of course would apply to only those who are legally allowed to possess and carry a firearm and to the rules of carrying the firearm, not in using them for self defense. That is another matter.
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I would like to see a "standard" across all states to get a license to carry firearms - same level of training and background check.
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Con-1,
The "standard", should a national one be adopted, is far more likely to resemble a New Jersey/New York/Connecticut/Maryland/California model,
than a more desireable "shall issue" model, used by a majority of the states. I would like to see the same "full faith and credit" treatment of CCW as we see
with Driver's Licenses, but I fear the potential trade-offs, which blue state politicians (and media) are sure to demand, will be painful and counterproductive.
You can expect, at the very least, an "opt out" clause for most of the states listed above. Sorry to be a pessimist.
Regards!
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Yes, a "standard" training and background check that once one passes, the state cannot deny you a license.
The states you mentioned are very different, they don't give you a license unless you prove you have been a victim.....or something like that, and I would hope they would follow such National "standard."
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I am in favor of a firearms proficiency test in that a driving test is required for a drivers license. I also infer from the 2nd Amendment that since 'militia' and 'bear arms' are in the same sentence, a proficiency with firearms is implied. Firearms proficiency is not prevalent in today's society.
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I am in favor of a firearms proficiency test in that a driving test is required for a drivers license. I also infer from the 2nd Amendment that since 'militia' and 'bear arms' are in the same sentence, a proficiency with firearms is implied. Firearms proficiency is not prevalent in today's society.
I think a proficiency test should be required from anyone carrying a forearm.
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I'm pretty sure states like Maryland, that accept no other states CCW, will opt out. There is a House Bill 62 in Md. now to accept De., Va., and Pa. CCW's and I'll bet it will die or be voted down. They won't let their own people have a CCW permit, except on rare occasions,(and MD. calls itself a will issue state, what B/S) so why would they let out-of state people carry there.
I hope I'm wrong but time will tell.
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On the subject of national reciprocity, the "antis" will vote against it, "because it is a state's rights" issue (suiting their agenda).
Cliff Stearns of FL introduces a National Reciprocity Bill in the House each year, for about the past twenty years. It rarely progresses beyond that.
If it ever succeeded and was approved by the Senate and sent to the President, you can be assured the BATFE would play a substantial role in administering and implementing a national standard for testing (proficiency). We have years of experience in BATFE excesses. If and when we achieve a national standard,
the agenda changes and it is no longer a state's rights issue. If the law will not allow them to set an impossibly high threshhold for civilian proficiency, they can then "tax" it out of existence with onerous, non-refundable application fees or annual taxes for maintaining your CCW. They can also "outwait" you when you apply. I would be happy to see CCW testing administered by the states, under a uniform standard. Part of the DE mandated CCW course is (an informal?) "proficiency" test. PA and UT did not require this, relying instead upon the DE CCW requirements. I understand FL does not require proof of competence with a firearm, either, or it will accept millitary training or hunter safety courses (not certain of the details). If national reciprocity did not come with all of the politically motivated baggage, it would be a good thing. My concern is that it will become politicized, much the same as the IRS and USDOJ have (under some administrations).
Regards!
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yes, this is all possible...also, the contrary that none of it would happen is also possible and it could be treated like a driver's license.
Also, I could be wrong but Florida does require a training certificate.
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I would like to see a "standard" across all states to get a license to carry firearms - same level of training and background check.
Does anyone have data on misuse of PA permits? Like people committing many murders or mass shootings compared to those who don't have carry permits.
I only ask, because it seems PA is generally a decent place, with the exception of some areas, and they just require a background check, $20 and a smile.
That would be the idea model as we should not have to go through the hazing and hoops we do to get a carry permit in Delaware.
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Part of the DE mandated CCW course is (an informal?) "proficiency" test. PA and UT did not require this, relying instead upon the DE CCW requirements. I understand FL does not require proof of competence with a firearm, either, or it will accept millitary training or hunter safety courses (not certain of the details).
Also, I could be wrong but Florida does require a training certificate.
FL does require a "training certificate" but also does require "proficiency" ie "live fire" depending on what training certification you submit to them.
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Part of the DE mandated CCW course is (an informal?) "proficiency" test. PA and UT did not require this, relying instead upon the DE CCW requirements. I understand FL does not require proof of competence with a firearm, either, or it will accept millitary training or hunter safety courses (not certain of the details).
Also, I could be wrong but Florida does require a training certificate.
FL does require a "training certificate" but also does require "proficiency" ie "live fire" depending on what training certification you submit to them.
That is what I thought.
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I have heard many people ask why we can't carry a concealed gun in other states with our home state permit. Why can't it be like a drivers license. Well, there is a thing called the Driver's License Compact (DLC) which makes it legal to drive in any state with you r home state driver's license.
Unfortunately there is no such compact, act, or law allowing this at this time. Senator John Cornyn (R) od Texas has introduced Senate Bill S498 Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act od 2015. It was introduced on the Senate floor in February, read twice, and assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee, where it is now. It has 16 co-sponsors, all Republican except one, Sen. Joe Manchin (D) of West Virginia. This similar bill was narrowly defeated last year, but now the Republicans control the Senate, the House and the Judiciary Committee. So, it may just stand a chance of going through. The real question is , will Obama Veto it, if passed, and can the Congress override his veto on this or anything. We will have to wait and see........
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Just got this email update:
US House Resolution 923 which is a House companion bill to US Senate Bill S498(22 co-sponsors at this time), The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, Just pick up 3 more co-sponsors, bring the total to 16. They are:
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R) Texas 19th
Rep. Duncan Hunter (R) California 50th
Rep Jason Smith (R) Mo. 8th
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2 more Congressman signed on as sponsors, they are:
S498
Sen. Dan Sullivan (R) of AK. (Bringing total to 23 co-sponsors)
HR923
Rep. Bill Johnson (R) OH6 (bringing total co-sponsors to 17)
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Add the following to the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015 as co-sponsors:
Senate Bill S498 now with 25 co-sponsors
Sen. Michael Enzi (R WY)
Sen. Daniel Coats (R IN)
House Bill HR923 now with 20 co-sponsors
Rep. Don Young (R AKO)
Rep. Mo Brooks (R AL5)
Rep. Mike Bost (R IL12)
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I think this should happen and happen soon. I also believe in reality and I do not think I will see this in my life time. If this happens I wil celebrate for everyone with the best red wine money can buy.
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I think this should happen and happen soon. I also believe in reality and I do not think I will see this in my life time. If this happens I wil celebrate for everyone with the best red wine money can buy.
I second that, and will tip the glass with you.
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Currently there are 4 bills before Congress to make Concealed Carry permits, like a drivers license, good in all states that have legal concealed carry permits on the books.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/498/related-bills
The 2 latest co-sponsors the HR 923 are Trey Gowdy and Bruce Westerman.
Click on the above URL to read any or all of these bills and see the lists of supporters and co-sponsors
Of course nobody from the State of Delaware is a co-sponsor because they are all Dumbocrat Liberal Progressives.
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Of course nobody from the State of Delaware is a co-sponsor because they are all Dumbocrat Liberal Progressives.
Would we get one from DE if we promised to carry the Carper rifles as our EDC?
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Of course nobody from the State of Delaware is a co-sponsor because they are all Dumbocrat Liberal Progressives.
Would we get one from DE if we promised to carry the Carper rifles as our EDC?
I have never been able to even find a picture of a carper rifle.
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Did a Carper rifle every exist? ::)
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I have done a search of the internet and found no picture/image of a Carper Rifle. We only have his word that he was related to some one that made a rifle at one point in history.
I am glad to hear Tom Carper will not be running for re-election in 2016, as announce on April 1st. But, I'm sure the Liberal Progressive Democrats will have some one just as bad for gun owners to run for that seat.
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What are the chances of Jack the Whack Markell running for Carper's seat?
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Take it to Vegas and book it. This state is like musical chairs.
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I'd take some of that action Clarence....
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What are the chances of Jack the Whack Markell running for Carper's seat?
I think that Jackass is thinking that he can aim even higher than Carper's seat. And given the likelihood of bad things...
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I'd take some of that action Clarence....
Used to be said that to get thrown out of office in Delaware you had to be caught with a dead girl or a live boy. Not sure what it takes now.