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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: groundgrid on June 28, 2013, 03:18:03 AM
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HB-88 (Taking guns away from mentally ill owners.) was overwhelmingly defeated in the State Senate earlier this evening.
This is very surprising considering that it received only one no vote in the House.
I'm very curious about what transpired during the debate on this bill. If anyone knows how to get a transcript or recording of the floor debate, please let me know.
I'm hoping that they are finally starting to feel the pressure from all of the law abiding gun owners who have been reminding them that we're watching.
I'll update my vote tabulation spreadsheet over the weekend so that everyone can keep the names of the anti 2A legislators handy.
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Yep, never saw this one coming. Hope we are starting to get to them, but doubt it.
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If your Senator voted for it, give him or her HELL, if they voted against it, thank them.
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Done. Asked her to vote No and any Bill that would impact me as a law abiding citizen.
I have no issues for longer vacation stays for the criminals. But, stop messing with us.
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If your Senator voted for it, give him or her HELL, if they voted against it, thank them.
I agree, and already sent email to my senator and thanked him for voting against HB88.
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I just emailed Catherine Cloutier to thank her for her support.
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Just heard they are gonna try and reintroduce on Sunday..
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Has anyone heard details on a rally in Dover on Sunday? National Association for Gun Rights is making calls, but I tend to discount them as somewhat unreliable. I'm not sure the parliamentary rules that would allow the Senate to reconsider HB88, after voting it down, already.
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Bill would have to be rewritten and re-introduced with a new number assigned. This session ends in a few days, so it would have to be brought up in the next session.
By then they will be working on some other hot emergency. You know how the Liberal/Progressives love to take advantage of an emergency to get something done?
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Beware of what they try to attach to other bills at 2 am. during the last session.
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Just got another e-mail...they are gonna bring HB88 again on Sunday nite...they are gonna try and pull a fast one...
there is a rally at 4 PM on Sunday at leg hall..
can someone elese confirm if they have heard anything??
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JOET, I got the a couple of emails from different sources saying the push is on for Sunday on HB88.
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I just emailed Catherine Cloutier to thank her for her support.
I think she still needs to be booted. She seems to forget she is a part of the party that tend to be conservative.
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What’s in this bill that has everyone throwing their Sunday away?
I thought we wanted the control freaks to focus on the people with clear psychological problems instead of all gun owners?
Look, I understand that any control is onerous but come on now! Almost all of these mass killings were by diseased people that should not have had firearms.
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http://www.legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis147.nsf/vwLegislation/HB+88?Opendocument
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Apparently several issues were brought up during debate that indicated not enough protection for gun owners who might seek care for temporary conditions or those "mental illnesses" that have absolutely nothing to do with being dangerous. For example, a shooter with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Someone who loads his/her own ammunition & measures powder to .001g, cleans every spec of dust off of the shells & wears surgical gloves when loading them is not dangerous, however, they probably are diagnosable as having OCD.
IMO, with some further tweaking, this could be a good bill. C4L's analysis is probably a bit severe, nevertheless, it shows the built up frustration felt by gun owners over the barrage of anti-gun bills that have been introduced.
I'm hoping that some of the senators trade their support in return for the permanent killing of the other bills that we have been fighting so that they are not held over to the next session.
My greatest concern for today is that they might try to waive the rules and pass one of the other bills late this evening or even reintroduce the AWB.
Should this happen, we need to be ready for a MAJOR bust of outrage tomorrow morning.
My senator is on our side. If yours isn't please call or e-mail them today, more than once if they don't immediately indicate
that they will oppose a rule waiver.
It would be great if someone could be there tonight ready to post any last minute developments from their smartphone.
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There is no such thing as a "good bill" with regards to gun control.
Moosie
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Amen Mossie!!!!!
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We don't need gun control, we need people control, especially with psychological problems that have access to firearms.
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There is no such thing as a "good bill" with regards to gun control.
Moosie
Amen
Moosie for Governor!!!!
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What’s in this bill that has everyone throwing their Sunday away?
I thought we wanted the control freaks to focus on the people with clear psychological problems instead of all gun owners?
Look, I understand that any control is onerous but come on now! Almost all of these mass killings were by diseased people that should not have had firearms.
I understand that theory, but there seems to be too much leeway to the point were simply taking an anti-depressant could cost someone gun rights.
I am sure if they would lose voting rights based on mental illness or iq level that the same people supporting most gun control would change their tune real quick.
If you give an inch they will push for a mile.
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Bill would have to be rewritten and re-introduced with a new number assigned. This session ends in a few days, so it would have to be brought up in the next session.
By then they will be working on some other hot emergency. You know how the Liberal/Progressives love to take advantage of an emergency to get something done?
When I got the paper this morning I noticed there was an article talking about the legislature and how this session they did not really do much to help the economy. That is supposed to be the big thing on people's mind. I have not read it all yet and just skimmed on it, but it seems our growth is pretty low ( MBNA, GM, and Chryler layoffs did not help). It mentioned something I was thinking for some time.
Instead of fixing the economy our legislature decides to worry about same sex marriage ( not debating right or wrong just other issues bigger that effect way more people) and transtesticle type stuff.
Reminds me of the US Senate. We have countless issues ( just Obama scandals NSA, bengazi, IRS) to deal with and they worry about how to let 11 million people stay to compete with 22 million americans out of work.
Yeah that makes sense. Worry about votes ( DE and the national senate) than actually trying to fix the country.
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12:38 AM Session adjourned.
HB-88 not reconsidered.
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Thank you @groundgrid for monitoring and reporting on the Legislature. Appears that neither HB 58 Mag bill and HB 67 "Safe School Zone" aka Free Fire Zone bill went anywhere but down, correct?
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We don't need gun control, we need people control, especially with psychological problems that have access to firearms.
Anyone with ill intentions - with or without psychological problems - will find a way to put their hands on a firearm. No one in their right mind (no pun intended) will willingly walk into a firearms dealer and check "yes" that they have mental health issues. Just a side note that the supposed shooter in Newtown, CT had tried to purchase a firearm.. was turned down at the dealer. Ohhh wait. That's right. He didn't use his own weapons. Just wanted to point out how helpful CT gun law was in this case.
Again, there is no such thing as a "good" gun control bill. This would have given people a warm fuzzy feeling, but done nothing but further advance law enforcement to finding ways to manipulate their reach and take firearms from law abiding citizens.
Moosie
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HB-58 & HB-67 will remain on the "Ready List" for the next session.
They are far from gone.
We will need to have a strategy in place by next January to make sure that they are killed permanently.
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This is exactly why this forum is so necessary. I’ve just received an education and can direct my efforts accordingly. Thank you.
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Mossie may be wrong, there could be be a good gun bill, like the Second amendment. However, do not expect liberals, left wingers, our our current administration to introduce any.
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Here's an extract from an email from Rep Danny Short who opposed the HB 58 mag bill.
OPINION:
House Bill 88 - Keeping Guns Out
of the Hands of the Mentally Ill
By State Rep. Danny Short
Many area residents have asked me about House Bill 88, a bipartisan bill aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.
From comments that have been made at my coffee meetings, and from e-mails I have received, it is obvious there is a lot of misinformation and misconceptions about this measure.
With that in mind, here is a re-cap of the bill and its current disposition.
Sought by Attorney General Beau Biden, and the result of a consensus among lawmakers from both sides of the aisle, as well as representatives of the law enforcement and medical communities, the bill was touted as potential model legislation for other states to emulate.
Before passing the House of Representatives, it was amended multiple times to address issues raised by both legislators and the National Rifle Association (NRA).
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The changes led Shannon Alford, Delaware State Liaison for the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action to testify that her organization was satisfied with the final product. "Through a lot of hard work, our concerns ... have been addressed with the associated amendments [and] we have withdrawn our opposition to the bill. We no longer consider this legislation particularly threatening to law-abiding gun owners."
With the NRA dropping its objections to the measure, the bill passed the House on May 14th by a vote 40 to 1.
As amended, House Bill 88 would expand the existing requirement that mental health professionals must report to law enforcement officials those people they believe pose a danger to themselves or others. Police agencies would investigate such claims and report their findings, including whether they believe the individual has firearms in his or her possession, to the Department of Justice. After evaluating the results of the investigation, the Department of Justice could then decide to pursue a case in Superior Court, asking the court to issue an order declaring such an individual as a "person prohibited," requiring him or her to relinquish their guns.
People against whom such an order was being sought would have full access to due process; could present evidence and speak at their court proceedings; and would have the right to appeal the court's decision. Those that lost their court battle could later petition the court to have the order lifted and their firearms returned.
Under the legislation, all of the burden would be on the state to make its case and would require "clear and convincing evidence" -- the highest civil standard under Delaware law.
Between its passage in the House and its consideration in the Senate on June 27th, e-mail campaigns against House Bill 88 often demonized its intent and spread fear and misinformation about the bill.
In that poisoned atmosphere, 13 of the Senate's 21 members voted against the bill on June 27th, defeating it.
The bill could be reconsidered in 2014.
As a gun owner, avid sportsman, NRA member and Second Amendment advocate, I would like to see House Bill 88 enacted. I agree with the NRA, that this bill does not present a threat to gun owners and that it may help to prevent a tragedy by denying mentally ill people easy access to firearms.
That is a goal all Delawareans should support.
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Give and inch and they push for a mile. I dont like the bill and think is there is way too much mischief that can occur with it.
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SB..I agree with you...
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I agree. This is a bad bill. The justification is bogus. HIPPA should keep the medical experts from tesitfying. My State Rep Debroh Hudson Co-Sponsored the bill. I asked her why she got on board and she stated "You don't understand". I think it is a shame that our legislators have nothing better to do then take action to remove our rights.
It may be time to replace some of these republicians with new republicians.
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I agree. This is a bad bill. The justification is bogus. HIPPA should keep the medical experts from tesitfying. My State Rep Debroh Hudson Co-Sponsored the bill. I asked her why she got on board and she stated "You don't understand". I think it is a shame that our legislators have nothing better to do then take action to remove our rights.
It may be time to replace some of these republicians with new republicians.
Just some people's rights ( gun owners) they are more than happy to create rights for other groups like making it easier for felons to vote, sexually challenged marriage and so forth.
You would figure since they are throwing so much love around they would show some for the second amendment.