Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => New CCW Permit Holders => Topic started by: moongoose26 on January 28, 2010, 10:11:58 PM
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Well I went down to the prothenatorys office this afternoon and got the paperwork. Seems pretty straight foward. I got the references part and personal information parts done. I want to put down the reason as for the protection of my family , self and property as the reason but it says to be specific and it says the samething on the next page. Should i put down a different reason, i.e. I travel to other states with recipriocity for work and also drive my wife who is a nursing home manager at odd hours of the night to work in Dover on occasions? My reasons are pretty much these but I want to make sure Iam wording it correctly in a way.
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Hi Mongoose,
You'll get various answers from everyone here as to what they put down for their reason. Mine was because I collect multiple cash rents as a landlord. I know others here have put down a simple, "to protect my property, person or both" and have gotten their permit. When I was applying for my permit this question gave me the sweats just wondering if they were going to accept my reason! LOL
My two cents is to put down what you stated, but I'd leave the whole "other states with reciprocity" out as well as the word "Dover". Maybe something like "low income areas, run down areas, etc" could replace the city name. These are just my suggestions. Others will probably respond with their thoughts as well.
Good luck! Let us know how you make out. Be sure to read other threads on the site here too. There's a long wait apparently for new apps, you need to follow the time frame of the application stuff (like fingerprints, newspaper, etc).
Moosie
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You might consider taking the training before you apply: the instructor will have useful suggestions about the application process. Handing in the training certificate with your application also seems to speed things up.
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I am also concerned about what to put down for my "reason" I was hoping something like "personal protection" was good enough. What are my chances using just that foromy reason?
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It has been a while since I posted this but I have finally started the process went with my wife and took the class this weekend and learned a few things. I will be putting the ad in the guide and getting the fingerprints in the coming week or so and see what happens. I am still leery on the reasons subject and trying to figure out how to word it. I do pick up payments for my work and trael throughout DE doing sales also as well as drive my wife at different hours of the day and night through high crime areas. We shall see what happens.
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I never recommend putting specifics into the reasoning. Just write something similar to "for the protection of self and others when not in the presence of a uniformed law enforcement officer"
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For the protection of self, family and property. - that's it.
I was told by many people not to use this but to explain exactly what you wanted it for. Talked to an assistant DA who lives down the street from me and a judge the street over who both stated to simply use the above. The wife and I took our course prior to sending in our applications and the instructors both stated the same, to use the above and nothing else. So that's what we did and we both have our permits now.
If you get specific they can add limits to your permit where you can only use it for stated purpose and times.
Btw.. Another vote to take the course before applying. Have a fun wait ;)
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Thanks for the info guys we took the course already just to get it out of the way and I already filled the app(except the reason part which I will do today) and getting all my ducks in a row. I want to have it submitted in the next couple of weeks
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And I'll give you an "other" view.....
I put in that block: "See attached"
Then I included on a separate sheet of paper my name (in case it gets lost - or paper work dropped)
and SEVERAL reasons (DAY AND NIGHT) why I wanted my ccdw. The reason for day and night reasons,
so you dont get a RESTRICTED ccdw. I think I listed 8 reasons.
IE: ATM machine at night. Whatever during the day. etc.
There was more than just that (4 words). But it gives you an idea.
Whoever you took the course from would (SHOULD) be a good person to ask.
We cover it.
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I think Adrenolin is right. It is what the Constitution (US and Delaware) allows. The main thing they will go on is the criminal background check and references. If you are good there, there is no reason to turn you down.
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Placed the ad for my wife and myself going to try to get fingerprinted next week
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Ours took months to get.. 8 iirc, I'm not a citizen but a permanent resident from Canada, don't have an employer, had only lived in DE for 1 year, etc.. You know the things they might question. Legally I'll pass any and all background and security checks locally, federally and international (yes it does exist). While I wasn't surprised we got our permits, I was surprised that none of our References had been contacted. Two couples and our mid-20s babysitter are who we used as references. We did have to submit an extract from NJ DMV and the FBI agent who called us about this was polite. I was told after-the-fact that the majority of our wait was tied to waiting on Immigration getting back to the Feds which didn't surprise me at all.
Using "For the protection of self, family and property" is pretty much the reason given in the Delaware code for obtaining a CCDW permit. Being denied for giving this as a reason would be pretty darn slim and would more then likely be turned over at a hearing if it was. This is exactly the reason you want a permit.
Anyways.. Enjoy the process :)
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When you take your pistol course which is required in DE, your instructor if he really cares about what he's doing will give you in his opinion what are the best "Reason" answers, seems like you got the most obvious I can add like one person said, Protection of monetary assets is a big one.
I personally think the contact of refrences is random I think, like im sure they look them over and if anything catches an eye im sure they'll investigate further,
Good Luck.
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Well after many delays due to work schedule I will be walking in today to drop off my application hopefully it is quick and painless
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Good luck and hope it goes well. We were going to drop off our applications in person and that day I awoke with a migraine. Only time in my life I was thankful of a migraine! It was the same day and time that we'd have been there that a gunman opened fire in the lobby. We mailed our applications in the next day.
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Finally done. After the clerk made sure everything was up to par I asked her what she thought the current turnaround time was she answered we normally say 90 days but they are coming out alot quicker now. All they have to do in her words is verify that your references are real people. Let the countdown begin.
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Finally done. After the clerk made sure everything was up to par I asked her what she thought the current turnaround time was she answered we normally say 90 days but they are coming out alot quicker now. All they have to do in her words is verify that your references are real people. Let the countdown begin.
90 days? What county was this in?
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Kent County
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Kent County
Ah ha! Thought so. You're lucky. New Castle it took 141 days for me & a friend of mine. I'm sure it's still up there.
Good luck!
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Today will be 21 days. After reading on here about a few people in Kent County getting theirs in 20 something days making it a point to check the mail everyday lol.
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Today will be 21 days. After reading on here about a few people in Kent County getting theirs in 20 something days making it a point to check the mail everyday lol.
Ha got you beat I am 22 days in.. only 118ish to go... lol what a joke it is to live in NCC
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35 days still counting nothing i the mail yet.
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They cashed my check a week before I got mine. Check your bank account. ;)
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Hold-ups usually happen in either the Prothonatary's office or the Superior Court. Processing depends on workload. Permits are not considered(by them) a priority item.
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Check was cashed less then a week after I turned it in lol.
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A small update emailed the contact on the web page for a update on the status of my app. Her reply was that it was in chambers for the resident judge to sign. i take it this means I am going to be issued a permit now or is there still a chance for it to be denied by the judge?
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A small update emailed the contact on the web page for a update on the status of my app. Her reply was that it was in chambers for the resident judge to sign. i take it this means I am going to be issued a permit now or is there still a chance for it to be denied by the judge?
I think it means that the investigators had no objection. Looks good, but your mileage may vary.
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The judge always has final say however if she didn't tell you of any pending issues you'll likely be good. Both my wife and I had 2 issues and we were contacted directly from the investigator for each issue. Since its been sent to the judge without you receiving a call I'd say it looks good.
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A small update emailed the contact on the web page for a update on the status of my app. Her reply was that it was in chambers for the resident judge to sign. i take it this means I am going to be issued a permit now or is there still a chance for it to be denied by the judge?
I think it means that the investigators had no objection. Looks good, but your mileage may vary.
That's what I was thinking. Good luck. :)
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Perhaps a off topic but I: have a question. I have heard of them being rejected for petty reasons. I have a charge on my "criminal" record for having a dog run loose. I would think that would be insignificant but I was denied a job working for the census and that is the reason they gave.
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I'd be in touch with a lawyer to have a charge such as that removed from a criminal record. Actually, any charge on your criminal record should be actively pursued and removed if possible!
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Day # 42 man I hate the waiting game.
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Got home checked the mail as usual and 42 days later I got my permit.
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Congrats.
But.. That was NOT enough pain. ;D
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ONLY 42 days. Things are looking up.
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I agree with Radnor here! Go put it back in the mailbox until next week :)
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Fat chance. Being that my office is in MD I will not always be carrying but hope to see how it feels by this weekend.
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Grats, every time I see some one get a reasonable time I am filled with hope my mail box will reward me tho I am always crushed with the reality of ncc.
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Must not be in ncc. Started the process on 3-10-14 nothing in the mail box yet.
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I'd be in touch with a lawyer to have a charge such as that removed from a criminal record. Actually, any charge on your criminal record should be actively pursued and removed if possible!
Believe it or not a petty charge like that will stay on your record in Delaware forever. The only thing you can do is get a pardon ( unlikely) and even then the conviction even for an unclassified misdemeanor will still show.
I doubt this will be an issue for CCW but employers can see it.
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Anyone in Sussex County use the reason "For the protection of self, family and property" lately, and did it work? I just had my CCDW training this past weekend and the instructor said that the Prothontary's office will make you be more specific than that on the application. Curious to know if that will work. Thanks!
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That's what legally required and, well, it's the truth. Nothing more is needed. I'd apply with it and if you get a call ask why they need a more detailed explanation. If it's the office asking when you turn it in in person then don't and spend a couple bucks and mail it in registered mail.
IMO if the instructor said this they should have assisted you what they thing would be a better reason.
There is no need for a further detailed explanation.
Btw.. The Prothontary's office itself should not be asking you! All they are responsible for in processing and paper shuffling. The investigator and judge are the ones who matter and would call you if they think more info is needed. I can't see how they could legally deny you for this reason.
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Here's question I need a answer to quickly.
I haven't been carrying lately due to a back injury. My DECCW ran out in May this year. I will have to go to the Prothonotary's Office to get it renewed. I have new pictures taken today. I have the renewal application filled out.
My question is, Do I need to get the 5 reference letters all over again?
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http://courts.delaware.gov/forms/download.aspx?ID=60668
Follow the above link. It says you need 2 photos and a check or money order for $65 and 2 copies of the renewal application. Says nothing about references.
One of the owners where I work has renewed 3 times. I'll ask him tomorrow and post back
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Found out my permit had a erroneous expiration date on it. It was suppose to be the initial 3 years and they only issued it for 2 1/2 years. They are going to give me a new replacement tomorrow. So I will be good for a while longer. The alternative would have been to start all over from scratch. Training, ad, application, 5 reference letters, the whole deal, let alone the cost.
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Went to the Kent County Prothonotary Office in the KC Court house and asked for Adriana, She came out and gave me my corrected DECCW which now is good to May 31, 2015. She was really great to speak with and very curious.
Back to carrying!
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FYI: my boss said you do not have to submit any references when you renew. He said to fill out the renewal application and get the new passport-type photos and send them off with a check for $65 made out to "Prothonotary". That's it.
And whatever you do, don't let your permit expire.
HTH
pete
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http://courts.delaware.gov/forms/download.aspx?ID=60668
3. Renewal applications may be filed as early as January 2nd of the renewal year.