Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on November 11, 2013, 12:32:33 AM
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Sorry if this is a repost. I did not find anything searching.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/air-force-sgt-matt-pinkerton-fires-2-fatal-shots-home-intruder-now-faces-2nd-degree-murder-charge/
Guy is told to leave a guy's house and then kicks in the door. Man shoots him and now he is facing charges. The DA believes the victim ( the person shooting)should have been able to dial 911 between the guy breakin in and him firing.
The da thinks it is strange to answer the door with a gun at 2am "are you serious?"!!!!!!
On top of that the one being charged is a member of the US air force.
This is the kind of crap I worry about coming to Delaware and other places. It is the political climate of some states that allow this crap. He was in VA or NC I doubt there would have been an issue or PA maybe.
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I'm having a hard time swallowing this whole case.. if things happened exactly as the article says, I can't see where there would be enough to charge him with murder.
I hope that for Sgt's sake, it did happen exactly as it was written and he'll walk away clean. Perhaps he can sue the pants off the DA who suffers from cranial rectal inversion at least to recover his legal costs he's put out.
SMH.
Moosie
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I'm having a hard time swallowing this whole case.. if things happened exactly as the article says, I can't see where there would be enough to charge him with murder.
I hope that for Sgt's sake, it did happen exactly as it was written and he'll walk away clean. Perhaps he can sue the pants off the DA who suffers from cranial rectal inversion at least to recover his legal costs he's put out.
SMH.
Moosie
I concur moosie. I think the reason though is simply one word Maryland.
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A crazed man kicking in the door and advancing on him.. and I'm guessing his 2 children were in the house at the time! If something happens to him whose to protect the children? If the story follows true then clearly SD. Just the violent fact that the guy kicked in the door and illegally entered his home should make that clear. This Neubauer DA needs to be fired. I certainly hope the charges are dropped and wish Sgt. Pinkerton the best.
As the father of a young and basically defenseless child it is my responsibility, as it was Sgt. Pinkerton's, to protect their safety.
Knock on my door at 2am know I'll be armed.. If I answer it at all. Kick the door of my home in and well that's your mistake. Pretty sure this is the same 'common sense' approach for most others on this forum as well.
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Apparently he goes on trial in February. I really hope he beats this.
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Apparently he goes on trial in February. I really hope he beats this.
I am hoping he can sue for malicious prosecution. Maybe if prosecutors were held accountable then this crap would not happen as much.
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I am hoping he can sue for malicious prosecution. Maybe if prosecutors were held accountable then this crap would not happen as much.
I agree completely. This kind of stuff has to stop and the only way it will is to make it hit your pocketbook.
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I am hoping he can sue for malicious prosecution. Maybe if prosecutors were held accountable then this crap would not happen as much.
I agree completely. This kind of stuff has to stop and the only way it will is to make it hit your pocketbook.
I go further and think that when someone is denied a ccdw like especially in Jersey or MD that the judge should be able to be sued if the person was in a position where a gun would have saved their life. Same with Delaware, but seems since that disgrace Oberly left ( greatly dislike the guy over a case from the 1990s) they got more friendly towards approvals.
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I am hoping he can sue for malicious prosecution. Maybe if prosecutors were held accountable then this crap would not happen as much.
I agree completely. This kind of stuff has to stop and the only way it will is to make it hit your pocketbook.
I go further and think that when someone is denied a ccdw like especially in Jersey or MD that the judge should be able to be sued if the person was in a position where a gun would have saved their life. Same with Delaware, but seems since that disgrace Oberly left ( greatly dislike the guy over a case from the 1990s) they got more friendly towards approvals.
I extend the line of reasoning that because we are forced to go "naked" in MD, NJ, CA and most New England states, that those states should be liable if we are assaulted while there. Waiting to see if IL will recip with any other state.
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I am hoping he can sue for malicious prosecution. Maybe if prosecutors were held accountable then this crap would not happen as much.
I agree completely. This kind of stuff has to stop and the only way it will is to make it hit your pocketbook.
I go further and think that when someone is denied a ccdw like especially in Jersey or MD that the judge should be able to be sued if the person was in a position where a gun would have saved their life. Same with Delaware, but seems since that disgrace Oberly left ( greatly dislike the guy over a case from the 1990s) they got more friendly towards approvals.
I extend the line of reasoning that because we are forced to go "naked" in MD, NJ, CA and most New England states, that those states should be liable if we are assaulted while there. Waiting to see if IL will recip with any other state.
I like that idea as well. You must remember that most of those states ( thank God Delaware does not) is worried about a future voter baby daddy getting killed if they try to harm us. They need the future generations of being dependent.
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What gets me is that when the public, and the media for that matter, all cry foul, these prosecutors feel they have to stick to their guns because they feel its righteous or just. This is clearly self defense, yet the prosecutor maintains this man should have stopped this man at the door, called 911 and defended his wife and children, all in a matter of a few seconds, while stating that grabbing your firearm to meet a banging noise at your front door at 2am is bizarre behaviour. drop the pride already! This man's life is going to be ruined because one man cannot admit he is wrong. So sad.
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What gets me is that when the public, and the media for that matter, all cry foul, these prosecutors feel they have to stick to their guns because they feel its righteous or just. This is clearly self defense, yet the prosecutor maintains this man should have stopped this man at the door, called 911 and defended his wife and children, all in a matter of a few seconds, while stating that grabbing your firearm to meet a banging noise at your front door at 2am is bizarre behaviour. drop the pride already! This man's life is going to be ruined because one man cannot admit he is wrong. So sad.
I wish prosecutors would look at the benefit to the taxpayers and the lack of future victims. One could be a prosecutors daughter or someone they care about. I know it makes me sound cold, but you chose to go harm people then you get the consequences.
One Baby mama was saying something sarcastically about "everyone going around with guns patrolling" trying to make out about the guy being vigilante. Well guess what I am sure it would be more safer that way. The police are minutes away when seconds count and you are ultimately responsible for your own safety.
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What gets me is that when the public, and the media for that matter, all cry foul, these prosecutors feel they have to stick to their guns because they feel its righteous or just. This is clearly self defense, yet the prosecutor maintains this man should have stopped this man at the door, called 911 and defended his wife and children, all in a matter of a few seconds, while stating that grabbing your firearm to meet a banging noise at your front door at 2am is bizarre behaviour. drop the pride already! This man's life is going to be ruined because one man cannot admit he is wrong. So sad.
I wish prosecutors would look at the benefit to the taxpayers and the lack of future victims. One could be a prosecutors daughter or someone they care about. I know it makes me sound cold, but you chose to go harm people then you get the consequences.
One Baby mama was saying something sarcastically about "everyone going around with guns patrolling" trying to make out about the guy being vigilante. Well guess what I am sure it would be more safer that way. The police are minutes away when seconds count and you are ultimately responsible for your own safety.
I agree. Many people wont talk about the practical views of a would-be criminal being killed in self defense because they feel its immoral. I value human life just as much as the next guy, but the lives I value are the ones that are willing to play nice, not harm people because they want something. Yes, there is a benefit to tax payers and yes, there will definately be less victims. Why can't the public see this?
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What gets me is that when the public, and the media for that matter, all cry foul, these prosecutors feel they have to stick to their guns because they feel its righteous or just. This is clearly self defense, yet the prosecutor maintains this man should have stopped this man at the door, called 911 and defended his wife and children, all in a matter of a few seconds, while stating that grabbing your firearm to meet a banging noise at your front door at 2am is bizarre behaviour. drop the pride already! This man's life is going to be ruined because one man cannot admit he is wrong. So sad.
I wish prosecutors would look at the benefit to the taxpayers and the lack of future victims. One could be a prosecutors daughter or someone they care about. I know it makes me sound cold, but you chose to go harm people then you get the consequences.
One Baby mama was saying something sarcastically about "everyone going around with guns patrolling" trying to make out about the guy being vigilante. Well guess what I am sure it would be more safer that way. The police are minutes away when seconds count and you are ultimately responsible for your own safety.
I agree. Many people wont talk about the practical views of a would-be criminal being killed in self defense because they feel its immoral. I value human life just as much as the next guy, but the lives I value are the ones that are willing to play nice, not harm people because they want something. Yes, there is a benefit to tax payers and yes, there will definately be less victims. Why can't the public see this?
I agree wholeheartedly. The reality is that I think all of us value human life, but the people that are often shot in self defense by someone are more primitive that don't understand how society functions. Humans don't do some of the things animals like that do.
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Has anyone heard any more about this and if charges are ongoing or have been dropped? I couldn't find any new info in a Google search.
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There's nothing in the news... however there is a FB page that I found in a google search. Apparently his trial has been moved to June. Sounds like it's still moving forward.
I also read a few different stories that said it was a woman who broke into his house... I still think there is something missing from the details of this case.
Moosie
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Ahhhh... I did manage to find where there is much more to the domestic story than is being led on..
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/the-pinkerton-case-be-glad-you-dont-live-in-maryland/ (http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/the-pinkerton-case-be-glad-you-dont-live-in-maryland/) I believe that the relationship that the wife and the dead guy had is what is keeping the service member jammed up. BUT... read the comments at the end of the story... that is where I'm finding more info.
Moosie
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Ahh ok thanks. I'll read it later tonight. Departing northbound for awhile. :)
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What?? You're leaving us right before a snow storm to head to .... more snow? LOL. Hopefully Canadian's drive better than Delawarean's do in the snow lol. Be safe.
Moosie
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Kicking back in a suite in Portland,ME at the Holiday Inn Express. Got here about 7this evening, ordered a shrimp and salmon diner and hit the pool for an hour with my 3.5 year old son. Gonna turn the light out soon and hope to get a 6am swim in before we hit the road again.
The wife was saying the same thing about the storm.. Seems most of my trips happen just before a storm hits down here :)
Stay safe all
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Oh now you're just rubbing more salt in that wound LOL.
Hopefully your wife is traveling with you... or you hired someone to help with the snow! In any case, hope you got another swim in before hitting the road.
Be safe and stay warm!
Moosie
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Kicking back in a suite in Portland,ME at the Holiday Inn Express. Got here about 7this evening, ordered a shrimp and salmon diner and hit the pool for an hour with my 3.5 year old son. Gonna turn the light out soon and hope to get a 6am swim in before we hit the road again.
The wife was saying the same thing about the storm.. Seems most of my trips happen just before a storm hits down here :)
Stay safe all
A large Tim Horton's when Calais is in your rear view
Have a safe trip!!
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Arrived safely last night in Halifax and yes.. 2 large triple triple coffees from Tim Horton's were tucked into the center console as we departed Calias. :) This was followed by another in St John, NB and another in Moncton, NB after a chicken and rib dinner at Swiss Chalet. Two hours later arrived in Halifax.. 1123 miles in total. My son had a great trip and has been a shadow to Papa since arriving. :)
Wife remained home and is dealing with the weather.. I believe it involved cash and a neighbors kid :) She poked me saying I leave every time a storm hits lol
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Glad you arrived safely!
cash and a neighbors kid sounds like a great deal for snow removal! LOL
Enjoy your trip.
Moosie
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Just wanted to follow up that the judge Dismissed All Charges against Matthew Pinkerton due to lack of evidence.
I felt sorry for this guy and his family. First, due to the fact he actually had to shoot and kill someone in their home. Secondly, that he was arrested and charged due to political reasons and antigun beliefs of the assistant DA. A man forced his way into Pinkerton's home in the middle of the night after repeatedly being told to leave. It doesn't matter if his wife and Green had a relationship or not! Very good news and glad he and his family can finally get on with their lives. I feel bad for the Green family also.
Posting link however I've found the Capital Gazette is very antigun and I take much of the story as one sided.
http://www.capitalgazette.com/maryland_gazette/hot/judge-dismisses-charges-against-matthew-pinkerton-in-glen-burnie-shooting/article_6fea2adf-4248-549a-b96f-0b6c335de80b.html?mode=jqm
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Just wanted to follow up that the judge Dismissed All Charges against Matthew Pinkerton due to lack of evidence.
I felt sorry for this guy and his family. First, due to the fact he actually had to shoot and kill someone in their home. Secondly, that he was arrested and charged due to political reasons and antigun beliefs of the assistant DA. A man forced his way into Pinkerton's home in the middle of the night after repeatedly being told to leave. It doesn't matter if his wife and Green had a relationship or not! Very good news and glad he and his family can finally get on with their lives. I feel bad for the Green family also.
Posting link however I've found the Capital Gazette is very antigun and I take much of the story as one sided.
http://www.capitalgazette.com/maryland_gazette/hot/judge-dismisses-charges-against-matthew-pinkerton-in-glen-burnie-shooting/article_6fea2adf-4248-549a-b96f-0b6c335de80b.html?mode=jqm
Wow... What a mess! Glad that Pinkeron had the charges dismissed.