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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Kimber HD on January 14, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
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From http://www.delawareonline.com/viewart/20130114/NEWS/130114014/State-officials-announce-gun-legislation
"The proposal to end the so-called gun show Loophole is one of several announced by state officials this morning, a month after the massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut. Other proposals include banning military-style, assault-type weapons and ammunition clips holding more than five rounds for rifles and 10 rounds for handguns. Officials also are proposing a ban on guns within 1,000 feet of schools and mandatory reporting of lost and stolen firearms. Attorney General Beau Biden appeared with Markell along with Lt. Gov. Matt Denn. Biden said the proposed ban on assault-type weapons likely will generate the most intense debate in the legislature, but that he believes it is consistent with the Second Amendment right to bear arms."
Notice nothing about mental health, or personal responsibility.
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Last I checked, it was illegal to bring a gun into a school in Conn. Maybe if there was a 1,000' ban there, it would have been a different outcome.....right.
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http://www.delawareonline.com/viewart/20130114/NEWS/130114014/State-officials-announce-gun-legislation
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Something I believe needs to be addressed, and is not, is how do we get the truth about guns and gun owners out to the public? We all see the facts about guns, gun owners, and crime stastics on our pro-gun web sites and other sources, but not in the biased press or television,where they present their "facts". Since these are the sources most people use to get "the news', and we know how lies, half truths, fact ommission, and distortions are what the left-wing media feeds the public, what sort of media can we use to tell people the truth, to counter act the current media? Facts we know, such as: the Connecticutt school shooter used four pistols, not an AR http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495, that guns are way down the list of things that kill people phttp://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495, and all the other facts the press and media would not allow us to present to the people. How can we disseminate the truth, and do it very soon? With the current anti-gun feeding frenzy spreading across this country, and with the current climate since Connecticutt, and with the antigun lobby pressing very hard against our state and local legislatures, we need to have a way to counteract all the B.S. with the truth, a way which can reach every person.
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frank, in my career I was media relations manager for a fortune 500 company and worked with the media all across North America. What needs to be done is this: You need to select a 'spokesperson' who represents the responsible gun owner. A media blitz needs to be set up where said spokesperson gets on all of the critical news platforms--Good Morning America, Nightline, all local news channels, (all national talk shows) etc. The critical point here is 'blitz.' It cannot be a hit n miss type of effort. Said spokesperson needs to be armed with all critical data, true stories where guns saved lives, etc. Need to be media savvy and able to handle confrontation in an amicable manner. The NRA seems to be a likely candidate and I don't know why they don't have people out there actively pursuing media interviews!!!!! If the spokesperson is likeable, credible, media savvy and people are drawn to him/her, you would start to see a significant shift in public opinion. Just my thoughts.
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I just saw this and spat my lunch out. This is BS. I am praying my Daniel Defense ships this week as planned.
Terrible news. Terrible work by our government. It's like when a kid does poorly in school and the solution by the parents is to just transfer the student to a new school. They don't look into why the student had problems in school. Terrible job. Very disappointed to read this article.
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It looks like they edited the origional article. It origionally said they want to limit number of rounds in a rifle to 5 rounds and 10 for handguns.
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I have been saying this for years and not just about guns. Facts be damned, the liberals prey on emotions so trying to argue logic will not work.
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So we now live in California? Does Markell have to get this through general assembly or just sign it into law? Either way, we have all democrat "leaders". 10 rounds mags for your handgun and 5 round clips for your rifle. The article hasn't changed. S I'm supposed to run out and buy 10 round mags for my pistols? What a joke.
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Some of your colleagues will be opposed to what we’re trying to do,” Schwartzkopf said. “It doesn’t make any sense to me. We dress you up, we train you, we put you in a bullet proof vest to protect your life. Then we’re going to allow the bad guys to have better weapons than you guys? It makes no sense
What do all of you make of this paragraph?
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With the dems controlling both houses, I suspect his proposals will fly. I feel confident that all criminals will turn in their AR's. multiround clips, etc, so we can all breath easier.
Wether we can prevail depends on how loudly we can reach the dems that still believe in the Second Amendment, the federal and the state one. A strong showing on 1 /20, with media coverage would help.
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A strong showing on 1 /20, with media coverage would help.
I plan on going.
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+2 here for 1/20. So if the mag limits happen do you think current owners will still be able to use them? I'm talking about carry pistols and our ARs for range or on personal property. I suppose I could get used to 10rnd mags in the AR but 5!!! Sigh. And on topic for CC.. I'd hate to have to limit my PPQ 15-rnd mags to 10.
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http://news.delaware.gov/2013/01/14/governor-markell-lt-gov-denn-ag-biden-join-forces-to-unveil-responsible-gun-safety-proposals/
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The proposals are as follows:
1. Requiring Background Checks for Private Firearm Sales: Under existing law, when the sale or transfer of a firearm involves a licensed dealer, a background check must be performed. But when the sale or transfer does not involve a licensed dealer, and occurs between private buyers, no check is required. Because approximately 40% of all firearms nationwide are acquired from unlicensed sellers, this is an enormous Loophole—one in which convicted felons, minors and other prohibited purchasers can readily avoid background checks and easily acquire guns. This bill would require that licensed dealers perform background checks in connection with the sale or transfer of all firearms, including sales between private buyers, except for transfers involving immediate family (parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, sibling or spouse). The background check requirement would not apply to the sale or transfer of shotguns, as no such check is required under current law for licensed dealers.
2. Requiring the Reporting of Lost and Stolen Firearms: There are two primary public safety benefits to requiring the reporting of lost and stolen firearms. First, it discourages straw purchases and deters gun trafficking. When a gun is found at a crime scene and later traced back to the original owner, the owner may falsely claim that a gun was lost or stolen in order to hide his involvement in trafficking or straw purchasing. A mandatory reporting requirement provides law enforcement notice of suspicious patterns of behavior by persons who repeatedly fail to file reports yet claim that their guns were lost or stolen after the guns were recovered from a crime scene. And second, it helps prevent unwarranted criminal accusations against owners whose guns have been lost or stolen. This bill would require individuals report a lost or stolen firearm within 48 hours of discovery. Individuals would file a report with either the police agency having jurisdiction over the location where the loss or theft occurred, or any Delaware State Police Troop.
3. Banning the Sale, Manufacture, Delivery and Unlawful Possession of Large-Capacity Magazines: According to the Citizens Crime Commission of New York, 30 mass shootings (with four or more victims killed) occurred in the United States from 1982 through 2012. Although the circumstances of such mass shootings varied, each incident had one thing in common: they all involved one or more large-capacity ammunition magazines. This bill would prohibit the manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer or delivery of large-capacity magazines. Large-capacity magazines are defined as magazines having the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds for any handgun and more than 5 rounds for any rifle or shotgun. Acknowledging that thousands of law-abiding Delawareans currently possess large-capacity magazines lawfully, the bill would make such possession unlawful only if it occurs (1) in a public place (which would include highways, schools, parks, restaurants, bars, and similar locations), and (2) within 20 feet of a firearm capable of accepting such magazine. The bill would exempt certain shooting ranges from the definition of “public place,” so that the possession and use of large-capacity magazines at such ranges would not be prohibited.
4. Banning the Manufacture, Sale, Delivery and Unlawful Possession of Military Weapons: The sale of military-style assault weapons – firearms that are made for the battlefield and have no place in our communities – was outlawed in 1994, but the ban expired a decade later. One such weapon – the Bushmaster AR-15 – was used in the Newtown shootings and also in the murders of two firefighters in Webster, NY, on Christmas Eve last year. This bill would prohibit the manufacture, sale and delivery of these military weapons, while allowing the continued possession and use under certain circumstances of weapons purchased prior to the effective date of the ban.
5. Banning Possession of a Firearm Within 1,000 Feet of a School: This bill will help to ensure the safety of children in our schools. By outlawing possession of a firearm in close proximity to school, we will enable law enforcement to interdict those individuals who knowingly possess firearms and do so in near school buildings and school yards. The purpose of this law is to create safe school zones, where children are secure, where parents can have peace of mind that upon leaving them in the morning, they will not be subjected to gun violence, and where teachers can go about their important task of educating our youth without fear of violence. This is not intended to restrict the right of law abiding citizens to own guns. Nor is it intended to restrict those law abiding citizens who reside near schools, as the law specifically exempts them from its prohibitions while the guns are on their property. The law, likewise, is not intended to inhibit those individuals who possess concealed weapons permits from carrying firearms in conformity with the permits.
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With the dems controlling both houses, I suspect his proposals will fly. I feel confident that all criminals will turn in their AR's. multiround clips, etc, so we can all breath easier.
Wether we can prevail depends on how loudly we can reach the dems that still believe in the Second Amendment, the federal and the state one. A strong showing on 1 /20, with media coverage would help.
Our state doesn't allow a dissent opinion. He had way too much power.
What process will this go through to get approved ? Where can it be stopped ?
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A strong showing at the 2nd Amendment Rights Rally held at the Modern Maturity Center in Dover Sunday is a must for all gun owners. There you will be able to talk face to face to get answers and ask question. I'm sure there will be some of our State Representatives that are highly rated by NRA on hand.
The place is suppose to hold 800, lets pack it.
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When will they stop saying the Bushmaster AR15 was used in the Newtown shootings. It wasn't! Many of the residents in that area are starting to get tired of this as well. I've talked to a friend who lives in the area though not Newtown and was told a lot of people are starting to feel they are being used for political reasons. No sh|t I told him.
Forum moderators... This proposal is crazy. Have you thought of a mass email to all signed up users and a sticky at the top of each page? Might be an idea for those who don't login/read the forums much. A large showing on 1/20 could help and the more people who know could result in more people showing up. Just an idea. :)
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Some of your colleagues will be opposed to what we’re trying to do,” Schwartzkopf said. “It doesn’t make any sense to me. We dress you up, we train you, we put you in a bullet proof vest to protect your life. Then we’re going to allow the bad guys to have better weapons than you guys? It makes no sense
What do all of you make of this paragraph?
It says it's a revolving door and they DO NOT keep the criminals in jail where they belong. Ya know, that poor kid had a rough childhood. Or, he's is poor. Or, ....
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I sent an "E" mail to Markell (for whatever good it will do), with a link to the NBC news article, which chronicles the fact that an AR was not used in Conn., and the the statement stating it was, in part 4 of his proposed new law was a lie. I also said the ban on large cap. mags would allow using one at a range was ok, but we could not take it there over a highway, was a law which required alot more (rational) thought. We need to flood Markell's office with (well written not emotional) letters, before they can pass these laws.
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I feel that letters to politicians seldom if ever get to there hands to read. I don't see any proof that they are interested in what we have to say, unless it's what they want to hear. They have their own agendas and refuse to listen to trytghful facts from responsible, trained, knowledgable gun owners. They are too likely to follow party lines, which makes them sheep (followers) , not sheppards (leaders).
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When will they stop saying the Bushmaster AR15 was used in the Newtown shootings. It wasn't!
I sent an "E" mail to Markell (for whatever good it will do), with a link to the NBC news article, which chronicles the fact that an AR was not used in Conn.,
I am having trouble with this. I cannot find a credible source that says the Bushmaster WAS NOT used. There may have been some confusing information put out early in this case but I think it has been settled. Please cite a source for saying the Bushmaster was not used. Thank you.
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Now 2 weeks ago I had read a number of articles saying this including a video report showing authorities removing a shotgun from the trunk and the reporter saying the ar had been removed from the back seat. Looking now via Google I can't find the video and many of the articles I remember reading can't be found. I know NBC and FOX both had video reports on it, don't remember who had the video of them removing the shotgun. Still, there does seem to be a mix of information right from day one regarding what he used. I'd like to hear eyewitness accounts.. surely someone in the school saw him. What about surveillance cameras at the school?
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http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/ nice , easy , fast email to all the officials. So they can delete more junk.
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“Thlax: I just saw this and spat my lunch out. This is BS. I am praying my Daniel Defense ships this week as planned.”
I ordered my DDM4V1 on 1/3/13, I too hope to receive before any anti-gun legislation. How did you get a build date? I can never get through and now they are at Shot Show until the 22nd, I’m still in the dark.
“Hawkeye: I have been saying this for years and not just about guns. Facts be damned, the liberals prey on emotions so trying to argue logic will not work. “
Oh how true Hawkeye, scary thought 50% of the country is so ignorant but then look at whom they elected and how improved the country is since he has been in the White House.
Delawareans currently possess large-capacity magazines lawfully, the bill would make such possession unlawful only if it occurs (1) in a public place (which would include highways, schools, parks, restaurants, bars, and similar locations), and (2) within 20 feet of a firearm capable of accepting such magazine. The bill would exempt certain shooting ranges from the definition of “public place,” so that the possession and use of large-capacity magazines at such ranges would not be prohibited.
So how do we drive to an exempt range with our 30 round mag? A public highway is prohibited. I guess the ranges will need to purchase lockers for us to rent to keep our large capacity mags.
How asinine. The inmates are running the Asylum.
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http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/ nice , easy , fast email to all the officials. So they can delete more junk.
Thanks for the resource. Done !
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I would assume your Daniel Defense AR15 will still arrive, as you paid for it and its considered sold. Therefore a pre-ban AR. But what do I know....
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http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/ nice , easy , fast email to all the officials. So they can delete more junk.
I never fill out that kind of Web form... but I just did. Thanks.
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I would assume your Daniel Defense AR15 will still arrive, as you paid for it and its considered sold. Therefore a pre-ban AR. But what do I know....
Exactly. One of the best lessons I've learned in my young life so far is "nothing is done, until its done done". Until my DD is in my hands and possession, its not done done. Spoke to DD today and it should ship out Thursday or Friday! Haha, just notice Daniel Defense, Done Done, are both DD
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/ nice , easy , fast email to all the officials. So they can delete more junk.
I never fill out that kind of Web form... but I just did. Thanks.
Same
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NBC said AR15 not used in shooting....
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/
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I just spent the last two hours writing letters to my Rep, Senator, the Governor and the AG. Already sent via email and hard copies going out in the morning.
I've done my duty, see you guys at the rally next Sunday.
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Sandy hook was a tradgedy.
What the media did afterwards was nothing short of another tradgedy.
How many hours of Bushmaster did we have to endure?
The balistics of the bullet.
The rounds it can carry.
And weeks later, MSMBC, said it was NEVER used. The video shows a Saiga shotgun, or 1100 Remington being pulled from the trunk of the car. Not a Bushmaster.
So lets look at the motives.
Money. Cerbrius group owend CBS up till early 2012? Also , they owned Freedom group. "Bushmaster" and others Untill Dec.
So , when you glorify these incidents, On CBS, and guns sell like hotcakes, because fear of bans, then Cebrius, watches its stocks go through the top.
I'd like to see the money trail. How much stock went up in the last 4 years.
I'd really like to see news agencys loose there FCC liscence from Faulty News. Or propoganda. From the left.
We need to keep anyone with mental illness from owning guns. Any more than this, is purely a gun grab.
If the army can train a 18 year old kid, to go into a dark minefield, with live fire, and retrieve a soldier.
4 years of XBOX MW2 to a metally ill kid, can distort his elevator to not hit past floor 1.
Do you think the above paragraph sums it up?
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The use of a large capacity magazine would not be prohibited at ranges, but you will not be allowed to transport them there.Plus, you would have to keep the mag 20 ft. from your gun in your home.
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I agree with you, it is not done done until it is delivered. It is my understanding from the text - "...Banning the Manufacture, Sale, Delivery ..." - that taken the delivery or transfer of the rifle would be illegal if the law passes. I hope you guys get yours on your hands before that. I see many people rushing to get things and getting into backorders, I don't think the FFLs will be allowed to accept the transfers if the law passes.
I would assume your Daniel Defense AR15 will still arrive, as you paid for it and its considered sold. Therefore a pre-ban AR. But what do I know....
Exactly. One of the best lessons I've learned in my young life so far is "nothing is done, until its done done". Until my DD is in my hands and possession, its not done done. Spoke to DD today and it should ship out Thursday or Friday! Haha, just notice Daniel Defense, Done Done, are both DD
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/ nice , easy , fast email to all the officials. So they can delete more junk.
I never fill out that kind of Web form... but I just did. Thanks.
Same
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Some of your colleagues will be opposed to what we’re trying to do,” Schwartzkopf said. “It doesn’t make any sense to me. We dress you up, we train you, we put you in a bullet proof vest to protect your life. Then we’re going to allow the bad guys to have better weapons than you guys? It makes no sense
What do all of you make of this paragraph?
So, Under our course for CCDW, we can meet force with equal force. Our 2cd admendment, provides us with the right to bear arms to protect our family.
So by the news media saying assualt weapons are in the wrong hands, and this Politician saying they are.
Then, Isn't this enougth to justify equal force?
Untill they can go a year without reporting some bad guy owning a AR, then they have no justifacation for taking ours?
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Yes, SOME assault weapons MAY be in the wrong hands, but so are Hammers and BASEBALL Bats.
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This is all OUTRIGHT BS. Changing the perimeter around schools to 1000 feet, I don't know about any other schools, but where I'm at (Delmar), that would make it where I'd have to be on Route 13 if I was to pick my son up from school (if I was carrying). Like sickos like Lanza really CARE about those perimeters to begin with. HELLO he didn't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to possess a gun. EVERYTHING Criminals do is illegal, this ONLY has an effect on Joe (or in my case Jane) Doe the Law Abiding Citizen.
These idiots don't listen either. How many voices came together about the Healthcare Bill and/or Taxes on 9/12 in DC - 1.5 MILLION (I was there) and did they listen? NOPE. I've written the Carp (Carper) NUMEROUS times (Coons & Carney as well) and ALL of them are ignorant as all get out, TOTALLY ignoring what I said in my letters! Carper CLAIMS he's a Gun Owner ...but I'd bet he'd lay down and hand his over if he was told to!
This is nothing more than PURE GUN CONTROL and has NO EFFECT on the crime rates ...look at ANY city/state where they have the HIGHEST Gun Control and they'll have the HIGHEST crime rates too! And then look at Kennesaw GA - mandatory for EVERY head of household to own a gun and low to no Crime!
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Kimmie, if the lawyers are right in the wording, CCDW , you can be within bounderys.
I think they figured out how many teachers carry?
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As a CCDW permit holder, I'm glad it looks like we will be exempted from most of the proposed restrictions.
As a hard-lefty liberal, this means that relatively wealthy white folks (like us) will be exempted. Not a big surprise. If the CCDW system wasn't biased toward us, it wouldn't cost $500+ to get our first permit.
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I asked how can we get the word out, to let everyone know the truth. I posed that question to Dave Lawson, in light of the fact that the media and press are biased, and do not want us to be able to tell the truth, how do we reach the masses? His answer was short, social media. Facebook and Twitter are read by many millions. Let us start flooding these sites with facts not the current lies, distortions and half-truths currently being used by the anti-gunners. Use verifiable facts, do not get emotional, do not use tired rehetoric, like "from my cold dead hands" (more fuel to call us crazed rednecks), write intelligently, check your spelling, and do not call others brilliant names. Pass the word, tell all like minded persons to like these pro-gun posts. Let's send a STRONG message to the politicians and anti-gunners.
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Good going Frank,
Don't forget, some of "old folks" don't do Facebook or Twitter, but we all do Email or you wouldn't be reading this forum. If you email everyone on your list, and they email their list, and they email their list, soon almost everyone in Delaware and other states will be contacted with "the Massage" of Freedom.
As I said before, we need to hammer the opposition about this. The legislators that support us, support us. It's those that don't, we need to make their lives miserable with contacts.
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Thank you Strum, be sure to be polite when you contact your politician, but politely remind them you will be watching how they vote on gun issues, and that you will remember and vote accordingly next election.
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I asked how can we get the word out, to let everyone know the truth. I posed that question to Dave Lawson, in light of the fact that the media and press are biased, and do not want us to be able to tell the truth, how do we reach the masses? His answer was short, social media. Facebook and Twitter are read by many millions. Let us start flooding these sites with facts not the current lies, distortions and half-truths currently being used by the anti-gunners. Use verifiable facts, do not get emotional, do not use tired rehetoric, like "from my cold dead hands" (more fuel to call us crazed rednecks), write intelligently, check your spelling, and do not call others brilliant names. Pass the word, tell all like minded persons to like these pro-gun posts. Let's send a STRONG message to the politicians and anti-gunners.
I couldn't agree with this more. I personally have been posting and reposting as much factual items as I can to my facebook. I am sure it has pissed some of my "friends" off but I could care less. Standing up for my freedoms and the freedoms of others are more important than upsetting someone I went to high school with.
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Same here. I am on twitter and follow a large contingent of 2nd amendment supporters.