Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => New CCW Permit Holders => Topic started by: norwood on December 20, 2009, 05:21:06 PM
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i have a DUI from a couple years ago that i pleaded to and took the first offenders program. Would that prevent me from obtaining a CCDW permit in DE? Would having my record expunged or sealed help? i have no crimes of violence on my record at all. Just that @@@@ DUI from sleeping it off in my car one night. Live and learn the hardway sometimes i guess.
without getting too personal does anyone here know of anyone who was turned down for this?
and i was also planning on getting my VA and FL non-resident permits as well. Would having ccw permits from other states first help me get a DE one or look better on the application at all? or should i just go for the FL one first?
thanks in advance for any info
Jon
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I honestly don't know, if a DUI will keep you from geting a CCW Permit.
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How long ago is a few years? I know some body that had 2 and did time, just because of having 2 nothing else. The last of them was probably 15 years ago or so... he had no problem getting his.
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Well, since alcohol-related offenses are specifically questioned, it may be an issue. You will probably be questioned about it during the telephone call. But if you have nothing else on your record - it may only present as a speed-bump, and not a complete roadblock.
Regarding the expungement question, it would appear that your DUI is not eligible to be expunged (your plea is an affirmation that the offense did occur).
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thanks for all your input.
it was in 2007 so it will be almost three years since. i took first offenders program and accelerated rehabilitation and all that noise.
i think you friend did time because he got more then 1 in a 5 year period. or he blew a monster number when he was arrested.
i noticed on the florida application they ask if you have been convicted of more then one dui with in a 5 year period. And DE ask if you have had any alcohol related convictions. Guess i will just have to roll the dice. hoping they are more concerned with drunken disorderly conduct and the likes of charges like that then a dui. but one never knows i guesss. Just wondering if i should wait a little longer because i heard having a denial for a ccw permit looks bad on your record, although i doubt they keep track of who they have denied a ccw permit so how much truth that holds i dont know either. just spitballing. but with the Gov i guess you never know what they keep track of or not.
as for the expungement i guess it does not matter because after some research all that really does is seal your record from the public if you were going for a job interview or something of the sorts. .. when it comes to the Gov nothing is really sealed.
thank you gentlemen i will keep you posted on my journey to arm myself. im sure i will have many more questions in the future and look forward to any responses.
Jon
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i also read on this forum somewhere it is recommended to take your firearms safety course after you have been received your letter of approval from the attorney general's office. Is there a specific reason for waiting?
the reason i ask is because i'm gonna sign up for a ccw class in PA with personal defense solutions. they offer the class, finger printing and passport photos in the same day and everything you need to apply for your non-resident florida and VA permits. So even if i get turned down by DE to conceal carry i can conceal carry when i take a drive to florida as it covers you as you drive through those southern states.
and i was wondering if i can use the same certification from the class mentioned above for my DE application?
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The reason is if you get denied your not out the extra cash. Just so you know also, the finger prints you take in that class won't work for your DE application.
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Less than 3 years (in my opinion) is not enough time between the DUI and getting a permit. Basically, the courts are going to look for a pattern of "responsible" behavior.. i.e., a couple of speeding tickets are ok (none recent), but repeated tickets for going WELL over the speed limit, reckless driving, etc. Those are going to hurt you. How could you possibly handle a firearm responsibly when you can't even drive responsibly is what they will be asking themselves.
Also, (again, just my opinion), but if you apply and get rejected, that makes it harder to get accepted the second time. They'll dig up your old application and it might leave a bad taste in their mouth.
I dont have any examples to back my opinion up, but to me, I know how the police department application process works, and I'm sure the courts are thinking the same thing when issuing such a permit.
You might also give the prothonatary's office a ring and ask about it.
I'd wait at least until the 5 year mark passed before I applied if I were you.
Moosie
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i appreciate each and everyone's advice and opinions,
thank you
Jon
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The reason is if you get denied your not out the extra cash. Just so you know also, the finger prints you take in that class won't work for your DE application.
well if that is the only reason then i don't mind having had paid and taken the course just for the educational purposes. if i get denied i'll just take what i learned from the course. i have been shooting guns all my life but never really had much formal training except the hunters safety course i had to take when i was a kid to get my hunting license.
I might not waste my time with the course from PA. Instead i may search out (i think i saw it offered somewhere) a DE and Florida course somewhere in DE. From what i heard the non-resident FL permit is not hard to get and then at least i'm covered if i take a road trip south of here. Will have to check the map. Might have to get the VA permit too.
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Norwood,
Be sure to check the timeline on things like paperwork, the course, fingerprints, publishing your affidavit, etc. In DE there is a weird time line for all of these things.
It would suck to do any of them only to find out they have to be repeated, etc.
Moosie
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thanks moosie,, Im not gonna argue with anyone nicknamed moosie =)
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I don't blame you! and whatever you do, dont mention that you pool hopped anywhere below the canal!! ;D
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ROFL! That's for sure. We'll get your fanny on video and plaster it on the news too.
Gun Envy, I still need to catch up with you. I haven't forgotten! Let me know when your free and I'll swing by.
Rebecca
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pool hop? who needs that when you have the beach? although a tad nippy now. No im not joining the polar bear club either
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Norwood did you get a chance to all about your DUI issue?
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no i have not called them yet to ask them about it. But i did buy a nice XDM 9mm on saturday, lol
i'm pretty much content with waiting another year or two to get it further behind me. Even if i call and they were to say it wouldnt be a problem i have had issues with people saying one thing over the phone then having it turn out another way when it comes down to it, especially when dealing with people from the state. i don't wanna risk having a rejection on my record
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Another poster mentioned that a denial looked bad, in the event you apply again.
To my knowledge, every CCW application asks the question: Have you ever previously been denied on a CCW (CCDW, CPL, LTCF, etc.) application and
if so, which state? This suggests that the issue weighs heavily, for what it is worth !
Regards!
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Going to take to the class with a group. All have clean records except one has a littering charge from 20 years ago. Is that enough for a denial or should she wait to take the class
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I would rather doubt that if that is the ONLY thing on the persons record. that they would turn her down for that.
If you want to be perfectly sure call the Attorney Generals office and ask, they don't bite. Make sure to get the name of who you spoke to.
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"Alice's Restaurant" just popped into my head. Anyone old enough to remember that Arlo Guthrie song? Anyway, seriously doubt if that would affect an application.
Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"