Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => General CCW Discussion => Topic started by: Libertarian5 on June 11, 2023, 07:31:51 PM
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So today I was at the grocery store and I noticed a woman open carrying a firearm on her 4 o'clock and my first thought was I would never do this for so many reasons and then I felt like I was judging her🤔 All the training ive done says you shouldn't but maybe I am mistaken ? What is everyone else's take on open Carry in Delaware?
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Open carry is legal in Delaware, just most people don' have the guts to do it. I went to Wisconsin several times in the past, where open carry is also legal. Hell, every other person carries there. Nobody seems to care.
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... just most people don' have the guts to do it....
WRONG AGAIN! When they were active, would meet MONTHLY for dinner. Joined them MANY times myself.
http://www.deloc.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=41a5c6b1baec426ecdb5cf1fa1fb583c (http://www.deloc.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=41a5c6b1baec426ecdb5cf1fa1fb583c)
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I've been wanting to, and have only personally witness a few ppl in recent years. One at a Wilmington home depot, another dropping off covid stuff where i work. I actually talked with him after my boss raised a stink about seeing it to him. Then when I got back to my boss he asked me about looking for signs to put up saying no weapons allowed. I quickly shut that one down because we all know a sign like that is like an illegally parked car's hazards to parking enforcement
Anyway, the only thing that stops me is I'd rather not do it with my family with me and I don't have a good holster for my full size that also accepts the optic I have on it. I'd love to at least start a conversation, even though I feel like I'd get more grief around the Newark area
Till then it's IWB or pocket with my sub compact
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I am too old to run or fight, and I don't want to advertise, so I keep things out of sight when I can. IMHO, open carry makes people nervous, and draws attention to you. With concealed, I am just another person.
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I am too old to run or fight, and I don't want to advertise, so I keep things out of sight when I can. IMHO, open carry makes people nervous, and draws attention to you. With concealed, I am just another person.
I feel the same. Just blend in and be a gray man. If someone noticed the gun on your person they have the advantage and could try and take the firearm while you're distracted. Hypothetically speaking. Don't really see the benefit in open Carry except possibly a visual deterrent.
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Visual deterrent. Usually retention holster. Quicker draw.
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They see an old guy with a gun, easy prey. Knock him down and grab his gun. If they can't see it, they think I am easy. As always, be aware of your surroundings.
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Bill, I am with you 100% on this. The average citizen is not trained on handgun retention. I have seen some folks open carrying with real flimsy holsters. Two perps come up behind them and then they have a loaded handgun. I never open carried because I just want to blend in. I might be an old dude but I shoot once a week. Regards to all.
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I have to agree with the group here I see no advantage to open carry and a lot of negatives. It is a right and I would oppose any and all attempts to ban it but for me concealed and blending in is the way to go.
That said, the financial cost of concealed carry may force some to open carry.
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I could see open carry if you WANTED attention. dressed up like Roy Rogers, was in a friendly neighborhood, there were some purpose to the whole thing.....or maybe a WWII uniform....or security guard....but PIs don't carry open, so neither will I. I tried it once at Tractor Supply and nobody paid attention.
Simon
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I have a friend here that carries a BIG FN .45. He could carry open but choses to find ways not to. IMHO, smart.
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I open carry around the yard to to the neighbor's / family sometimes. I have open carried into town a handful of time. I think a lot of it comes down to where you live. In Dover you will get a lot different response that in Harrington, Greenwood, or one of the other smaller towns.
For me it is a matter of a right not exercised is easily taken. Also, the fewer people who open carry the more jarring it is to others.
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I open carry around the yard to to the neighbor's / family sometimes. I have open carried into town a handful of time. I think a lot of it comes down to where you live. In Dover you will get a lot different response that in Harrington, Greenwood, or one of the other smaller towns.
For me it is a matter of a right not exercised is easily taken. Also, the fewer people who open carry the more jarring it is to others.
That makes sense. I guess if I grew up and lived in a rural area it would be more accepted. I think living in a more urban setting and most of my training has taught me to conceal and blend in. I guess it really comes down to your own comfortablity. I probably will never open carry ( I conceal even when I mow my yard) but I respect the right of those who do.
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I seldom if ever open carry. Why go through the pain in the arss of getting a permit, and then not using it.
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In truly rural areas, it is not really necessary. I live in the middle of the wild west near Claymont.
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There are some who, although they can legally own a handgun, have been denied a CCDW. Open carry is their only option to be able to defend themselves.
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There are some who, although they can legally own a handgun, have been denied a CCDW. Open carry is their only option to be able to defend themselves.
I have to ask why one would be denied a ccw in delaware but still open carry a handgun. I could see the license being cost prohibitive and/or time consuming, but a denial for ccw should mean they probably shouldn't have a gun in the first place right?
Unless upon publication they get flagged by someone? I'm trying to think of a way someone could buy a gun but not be able to get a ccw if they spend the time and money for all the prerequisites.
This without getting into the whole constitutionally of these things
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People with DUIs get denied sometimes but they are not prohibited. People who are newcomers to the state and don’t have references that they knew for a year. I’m sure there are others.
Remember that open carry is constitutionally protected but concealed is may issue. This was even noted by Justice Thomas in the Bruen decision.
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DUI wouldn't be considered "drunkard" in the original ATF application?
Then I'd have to ask if the state could technically go after your weapon if you fail the ccw application?
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Up to the 3rd offense in 5 years I believe, DWI is a misdemeanor. To Title 11 section 1441 states that an individual must be of “good character” to obtain a license to carry concealed. Remember that it is at the discretion of the judge as to whether you get the license. They get a report from the AGs office with a recommendation and the AG will recommend denial for a person with a DUI (not sure how old the charge). The judge almost all the time goes along with the AG report.
In practice it is just about shall issue for the last 20 years or so but if there is an objection from the AGs office then it most likely will be denied even if the applicant is not a prohibited possessor under state or federal law. That would not preclude that individual from open carry
I only know of one person who was denied and it was because the police were constantly being called for fighting between the two spouses even though they never were convicted of a disabling offense. AG office thought that it would not be a good idea to add firearms to the equation.
So because Delaware does issue in most cases and allows permitless open carry Delaware was given a pass by the Bruen decision. this
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Interesting. The part that always worried me the most was the newspaper publishing. I never tried for a ccw till after I got divorced and it wasn't on good terms. She even stated to the judge during the asset disbursement that I shouldn't have guns (since she took the 2 we had together when she split). Judge asked me if I was barred from owning any and I said nope
I thought for sure my ex would call the police as soon as I posted in the paper. Surprised she hasn't just red flagged me yet for spite
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Please take a concealed carry training course from a qualified instructor.
Even if you never plan to carry concealed. I value my training, and my
instructor clearly explained, and focused me on exactly what self defence
was, and wasn't. If after taking the course, you feel that open carry is
right for you, then exercise your right. Learning about situational awareness,
avoiding attention, the element of surprise, has taught me that deep
concealment is the correct way for me to exercise my right. I made that
decision with knowledge that I was taught.
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People with DUIs get denied sometimes but they are not prohibited. People who are newcomers to the state and don’t have references that they knew for a year. I’m sure there are others.
Remember that open carry is constitutionally protected but concealed is may issue. This was even noted by Justice Thomas in the Bruen decision.
Delaware DUI is misdemeanor for first or second offense. If you have a first DUI and go 10 years without another DUI, the subsequent DUI would be counted be eligible for First Offender Program, however, third DUI in a lifetime is a felony.
As for why folks may get denied a concealed permit in DE, as suggested elsewhere, if someone flags it on publication in the paper, you can also get denied if you have a history of PFA's (domestic abuse protective orders) or a history of weapons forfeiture orders (i.e. red flag forfeitures) that pops up on your DelJIS history when the DOJ runs you. While you may not have convictions, there could be an eyebrow raised at those two flags. I imagine that if someone had a medical marijuana card it could also result in a denial since marijuana is still federally prohibited under Title 18 of the U.S. Code and it can be a disqualifier for purchase on a Form 4473.
In terms of open carry, the closest I get to open carry is during the summer if I'm in a suit and happen to have taken my suit jacket off and am doing something quick like pumping gas or running into Wawa, etc. I don't open carry for any significant length of time when I'm out and about in the world.
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In truly rural areas, it is not really necessary. I live in the middle of the wild west near Claymont.
We have a fairly decent number of rabid animals around where I live and it is nice to have something on me in case something happens. Especially as we have chickens now which draw even more animal attention. There have also been reports of large cats and coyotes around my neighborhood as well.
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Well getting denied purchasing a firearm when you are a habitual user of drugs is a moot point anyway since hunter can do it. ::)
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You'd have to be a registered Democrat also.