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TwistedKarma:
http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/Man-shot-by-Yakima-police-was-holding-an-Airsoft-gun--238986161.html

YPD said the officer shot and killed Rocendo Arias because he saw him holding a gun in his car. Arias took a bullet to the head

   strange to be cleaning a gun at that time of day?

Adrenolin:
Another trigger happy cop. If he had noticed the guy sitting there for an hour he should have called for backup, waited, then proceed by pulling up and demanding the deceased to step out of the vehicle. Common sense! Whose training these idiots these days?

jstgsn:

--- Quote from: Adrenolin on January 13, 2014, 01:03:08 PM ---Another trigger happy cop. If he had noticed the guy sitting there for an hour he should have called for backup, waited, then proceed by pulling up and demanding the deceased to step out of the vehicle. Common sense! Whose training these idiots these days?

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Are you saying "the police acted stupidly!"?  Perhaps you should have a beer summit with the officer.  Having been on patrol at night and having been in similar situations, I'm not so quick to condemn the officer.  It would be impracticable to call for back up every time you see something suspicious.  (Do you know how many parked vehicles are found to contain drunks, druggies, and others ie newspaper delivery men, night watchmen, night owls, as well as murderers, rapist, and robbers?)  So the officer walks up to the passenger side, then to the driver's side and opens the door and finds a man with a handgun (with finger on trigger).  How many times has it been debated on sites such as ours about reaction time to a man with a knife and how close do you allow him before drawing and firing?  Here you blame a cop for defending himself against a perceived threat of a handgun at a distance of 4-6 feet. 
My suggestion is be aware of your surroundings, and if a uniform cop approaches you, don’t have a gun (toy or otherwise) in your hand.  It could end poorly.

ESPMan:

--- Quote from: jstgsn on January 13, 2014, 03:32:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Adrenolin on January 13, 2014, 01:03:08 PM ---Another trigger happy cop. If he had noticed the guy sitting there for an hour he should have called for backup, waited, then proceed by pulling up and demanding the deceased to step out of the vehicle. Common sense! Whose training these idiots these days?

--- End quote ---

Are you saying "the police acted stupidly!"?  Perhaps you should have a beer summit with the officer.  Having been on patrol at night and having been in similar situations, I'm not so quick to condemn the officer.  It would be impracticable to call for back up every time you see something suspicious.  (Do you know how many parked vehicles are found to contain drunks, druggies, and others ie newspaper delivery men, night watchmen, night owls, as well as murderers, rapist, and robbers?)  So the officer walks up to the passenger side, then to the driver's side and opens the door and finds a man with a handgun (with finger on trigger).  How many times has it been debated on sites such as ours about reaction time to a man with a knife and how close do you allow him before drawing and firing?  Here you blame a cop for defending himself against a perceived threat of a handgun at a distance of 4-6 feet. 
My suggestion is be aware of your surroundings, and if a uniform cop approaches you, don’t have a gun (toy or otherwise) in your hand.  It could end poorly.


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+1

Adrenolin:

--- Quote from: jstgsn on January 13, 2014, 03:32:31 PM ---Are you saying "the police acted stupidly!"?  Perhaps you should have a beer summit with the officer.  Having been on patrol at night and having been in similar situations, I'm not so quick to condemn the officer.  It would be impracticable to call for back up every time you see something suspicious.  (Do you know how many parked vehicles are found to contain drunks, druggies, and others ie newspaper delivery men, night watchmen, night owls, as well as murderers, rapist, and robbers?)  So the officer walks up to the passenger side, then to the driver's side and opens the door and finds a man with a handgun (with finger on trigger).  How many times has it been debated on sites such as ours about reaction time to a man with a knife and how close do you allow him before drawing and firing?  Here you blame a cop for defending himself against a perceived threat of a handgun at a distance of 4-6 feet. 
My suggestion is be aware of your surroundings, and if a uniform cop approaches you, don’t have a gun (toy or otherwise) in your hand.  It could end poorly.

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No not all police.. but yes this officer acted stupidly and reckless. Perhaps trigger happy wasn't the correct phrase I'll agree. However, is a parked car in a parking lot at 3am suspicious? No. Thats insane and cops would be looking at 1000s of cars every night. A parked car in a parking lot at 3am with a person inside is suspicious. The reason he approached is because he said he saw a suspicious vehicle. Also to correct you, the officer approached from the drivers side first then he went to the passengers side where he opened the door. If looking inside a vehicle on the drivers side the first thing you're going to look at is the front drivers seat to see if anyone is there. Common sense here says he saw someone in the seat.. if not the officer made a mistake. If he saw the guy he should have demanded he step out or he himself should have stepped back, called for backup and used his loud speaker. If the officer didn't see him why didn't he attempt to open the drivers door instead of going around to the passengers side? Its in a parking lot, not a busy highway or street where a risk of being hit would have been an issue. If viability due to lighting, tinted windows, etc didn't allow him to see inside he should never have opened a door.

By calling backup, putting his headlights on the suspicious car, using his loud speaker to demand anyone inside step out, etc he would not have put himself in as much danger nor would he have had to shoot the guy. Cops are NOT alone out there and assistance is a quick call away for any of them.

This has nothing to do with reaction times, proximity, etc. I agree that we should be aware of our surroundings however there is no law that says we have to and lets be honest.. 99% of people don't. They walk around in their own worlds without a worry to their immediate safety. That shouldn't make it right for a cop to sneak up, scare someone and shoot them because he scared them and in turn he got scared and reacted. Unfortunately, in this case we will never really know the truth unless a security camera or witness comes to light. I stand by what I said in regards to this officer. If evidence comes to light proving me wrong, fine I'll fess up, however I'd like to know exactly what the officer thought was suspicious about a parked car in a parking lot, regardless of the time.


btw.. I've worked as an EMT and first responder for a number of years in Canada and 1.5 years in Saudi Arabia back in the 90s. I relied on local Law Enforcement and the military every single day overseas. I've also worked with the FEDs on more then a few occasions over the years. I respect LEOs as much as the military and know they have a darn hard and stressful job. I also know what they deal with daily. They have hauled my butt outta trouble a few times and I've also told them to back the F off so I could do my job on occasion when they're pulling their superiority BS. I'm not bashing LEOs here just stating my opinion on this case from what I read. They do make mistakes however. If he had acted with a bit more caution and called for backup the kid may still be alive and the officer wouldn't have to live with the fact he killed someone. Note also I've always maintained that officers should patrol with a partner and should never be on their own.

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