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Title: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: groundgrid on December 28, 2013, 04:51:55 AM
The following bill has been filed for the 2014 session of the Maryland legislature:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2014RS/bills/hb/hb0062f.pdf

While Maryland is well known for not being gun friendly, this bill is one of the few pro-gun initiatives that may actually pass.
Being an election year and last sessions unprecedented backlash from gun owners, anti-2A politicians in Maryland are desperate to redeem themselves.

Start now & tell all of your friends, family & associates across the boarder to contact their representatives & voice their position in support of this bill.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 28, 2013, 04:49:58 PM
I grew up on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, have lived in Delaware for about 45 years, and visit Talbot County, MD. often. I have had a DECCW for several years. I pisses me off when I go over to MD. and have to leave my pistol home. So, you can see I have a vested interest in wanting this bill to go through the MD. Legislature. There is a House member that grew up in the area that I did, although she is a lot younger that I, her parents and I are friends.  She is a Democrat, but more of the conservative, than the usual Liberal/Progressive you find now-a-days. I will be writinh er today and often to encourage her to vote YEA on this bill.
Hope all of you will go to the State of MD Legislature website and find Legislators to send positive encouragement to in thhis matter.
If you know MD. residents or family, get them on the ball to help.

Maybe it will be a Happy, Happy, Happy New Years after all.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 28, 2013, 07:09:08 PM
There I did it. I just finnished a email to Jeannie Haddaway-Ricci, the Maryland State Delegate from Talbot County, about HB 62.
I encouraged her to pass the email along to any and all of her colleages in the MD. Legislature.

Now let's see others from Delaware do some contacting of their own. Anything worth having is worth fighting for, right?
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: mrjam2jab on December 29, 2013, 05:47:49 PM
This bill has been introduced several years in a row now.  I don't recall it getting very far.

Good luck tho!
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 29, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
Election year coming, and there are a lot of hunters and Pro-gun groups in Maryland, in addition to the NRA. There is certainly no reason you can contact Maryland Delegates in support of this bill.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Newlife503 on December 29, 2013, 11:53:48 PM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Clarence on December 30, 2013, 01:16:33 AM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.

Maryland does not ban possession of "high capacity" mags. Only bans sale or transfer of new ones
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Newlife503 on December 30, 2013, 01:47:44 AM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.

Maryland does not ban possession of "high capacity" mags. Only bans sale or transfer of new ones

I thought it band people out of state from bringing them in.  Does it not?
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 30, 2013, 01:57:37 PM
I have printed HB 62 and checked it a couple times and there is no firearm on the list that I own, or intend on owning. The point of the bill I am interested in is the concealed carry, as I'm originally from MD. and go there often to visit friends and relatives, and would like to be able to carry my pistol  legally, like I am able to in 29 other states.
I am aware that there are Federal laws in effect that permit you to transport a gun through MDm but not in a concvealed carry mode. I don't know of too many people that would need or want to carry a AK-47 or AR-15 (or other listed weapons)concealed, or for what purpose.
I question how many people from Delaware have the need to go to MD. carrying assault weapons (modern sporting weapons) with them on a regular basis. I'm thinking less than 50 out of over 300,000. But I feel there are a great many DECCW holders that go to MD on a regular basis to visit friends, relatives, or for business reasons. Delaware is #6 out of 50 on the list of states with the most voilent crimes per !00,000. MD. is #9. Get my point?
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: groundgrid on December 30, 2013, 02:05:17 PM
Typical hard to read legislation.

Line #22:  "Regulated firearm" means:
Line #23       (1)  a handgun; or

So it covers all handguns plus the list of specific evil rifles.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: JKRight on December 30, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
As for the need to carry modern sporting rifles into MD, my club is in MD and there a good number of DE residents that belong.  There are rifle competitions and general target practice that take place with these rifles.  As I understand it, we are fine to transport to and from, as long as the ammo and weapon are locked in separate cases.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Clarence on December 30, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.

Maryland does not ban possession of "high capacity" mags. Only bans sale or transfer of new ones

I thought it band people out of state from bringing them in.  Does it not?

I cannot find any language that bans transport or possession. 

As for CCW in Maryland.  No chance absent a court order or a Federal law
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Radnor on December 30, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.

http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=3151.0 (http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=3151.0)  reply #9
Your mags are fine.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on December 30, 2013, 06:34:26 PM
My wife usually goes to ocean city in march for a handbell festival ( There is such a thing) I actually just started going with her. Other than that we don't go to Maryland and I am sure there are people from PA and DE who will not. I think if MD would offer some recip they might actually get some more revenue. I would consider vacation there. Right now I only go to states like VA and PA that respect my carry rights.

Got to love Maryland.

They Pass sexually challenged marriage ( upheld by voters)
They pass in state tuition for illegal immigrants ( upheld by voters)

Yet they treat gun owners like criminals ( voters have not had their say on that except at election time and all the leehes in places like Baltimore who vote for a living out number those who work for a living)
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Newlife503 on December 30, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Let's just say I won't be holding my breath on this one.  But even if it passes all my mags will still be illegal.

http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=3151.0 (http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=3151.0)  reply #9
Your mags are fine.

Awesome, thanks guys!
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 30, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
Silverbullet

Maryland is a extremely Liberal/Progressive State. Why would you expect anything else. Delaware probably not too far behind.
Although I was born and raised in MD. I have lived in DE. for over 45 years. Wouldn't go back to livve in MD on a dare.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: jstgsn on January 02, 2014, 07:09:41 PM
The wife and I have gone to OC and stayed at the Princess Royal.  With their current laws I wrote a letter to the hotel telling them we will not be visiting their city again.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: JOET on January 02, 2014, 07:38:36 PM
and you can add NJ to that as well...frown going into either state...
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Cbmarine on January 02, 2014, 08:55:35 PM
and you can add NJ to that as well...frown going into either state...

+1. I have to do both periodically. Blechh!
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: ESPMan on January 02, 2014, 10:21:44 PM
and you can add NJ to that as well...frown going into either state...

+1. I have to do both periodically. Blechh!

I feel your pain Cbmarine. I have family in north Jersey, and I hate passing through Maryland.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: Clarence on January 02, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
We headed out New Year's Eve to see the Christmas lights at Herrs in Notingham PA.  Was thinking of going up 896 from Newark and remembered that you go through MD for a couple hundred yards.

Cut over to Possum Park and Chambers Rock Road to avoid Maryland


Had a nice dinner in PA.  Would have considered Wesley's on 273 if Maryland would show some respect.  

Pennsylvania got our money.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 02, 2014, 10:52:59 PM
I received a reply from Maryland Delegate Jeannie Haddaway-Riccio on the email I sent her about HB 62. She grew up in the same  small town area of Maryland that my wife and I did and we have known her all her life, as well as her parents and family. She said the bill was written and entered pretty quick by Del. Mike Smigiel, which may haver been a rookie mistake on his part. She said she would have liked to sign on as a co-sponsor, as she has supported bills of this nature in the past and will continue to in the future. She said she would try to keep me posted on this bill. I have gotten good response from her in the past. And, yes, she is a Democrat, but moderate to conservative.
I will update you all when I hear something.
Hope you are all contacting people you know in MD. and getting them involved in this. Doing nothing helps the anti-gunners. They love to say that "the people just didn't show any interest in this". The people, that would be you.
I hate it when I hear people say, "I hope somebody does something about it" . Don't wait for someone else, be somebody yourself.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: poster formerly know as Silverbullet on January 03, 2014, 12:39:01 AM
I have an idea. don't know if it can be done/ What do y'all think

1, Maryland has a serious issue with constitutional rights ( that benefit conservatives) such as gun rights. Yet they have no issue redefining marriage or allowing those illegally in the country to steal college spots from American kids.

2, Maryland is run by democrats

3, Democrats love taxes and fees so they can spend money ( mostly on losers) to buy votes to remain in power

4, Many people who have permits in Delaware go to or would like to go to some places in Maryland. Many of those in Maryland with permits ( they do have some especially business owners )and many on the border would like to shop here for tax free stuff) and cheese steaks. We like their crab cakes

With both these being the case is there a way that Maryland and Delaware could offer non-res permits to people from Maryalnd and Maryland could offer them to Delaware for say $20-$50 for a five year permit based on the qualifications of both states.

1, this would have some revenue boost for both states
2, citizens could protect themselves in Maryland and with proper marksmanship against thugs who try to rob them crime and the tax burden could be reduced ( democrats would see this as bad)

Bascially what my idea would be is for both states to offer a "neighbor" non-res permit. They get some fees. We get to protect ourselves and also people might go to MD more. I am not suggesting non res permits in general more of a one state non res offering between the two states and if they want to offer similar arrangements with other states then fine.

No I don't think we should have to do this, but its just an idea of how we can protect ourselves. If the team is stopping you every time you run it might be time to pass.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: mrjam2jab on January 03, 2014, 02:01:11 AM
She said the bill was written and entered pretty quick by Del. Mike Smigiel, which may haver been a rookie mistake on his part. She said she would have liked to sign on as a co-sponsor, as she has supported bills of this nature in the past and will continue to in the future. She said she would try to keep me posted on this bill.

Cosponsors can't be added after a bill is introduced? 
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 03, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
She said the bill was written and entered pretty quick by Del. Mike Smigiel, which may haver been a rookie mistake on his part. She said she would have liked to sign on as a co-sponsor, as she has supported bills of this nature in the past and will continue to in the future. She said she would try to keep me posted on this bill.

Cosponsors can't be added after a bill is introduced? 

I said she would have liked to co-sponsor this bill, if she had the chance before it was rushed to the floor. I think Smigiel is a fairly new Delegate and made a mistake. Jeannie has been a good pro-gun advocate. She was a co-sponsor of last years National reciprocity bill the was voted down in Maryland.

Jeannie grew up in the little town of Neavitt, Maryland. An area well known for hunting and gun owners. She has been around guns all of her life.
Title: Re: Maryland Reciprocity (an actual possibility)
Post by: mrjam2jab on January 03, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
She said the bill was written and entered pretty quick by Del. Mike Smigiel, which may haver been a rookie mistake on his part. She said she would have liked to sign on as a co-sponsor, as she has supported bills of this nature in the past and will continue to in the future. She said she would try to keep me posted on this bill.

Cosponsors can't be added after a bill is introduced? 

I said she would have liked to co-sponsor this bill, if she had the chance before it was rushed to the floor. I think Smigiel is a fairly new Delegate and made a mistake. Jeannie has been a good pro-gun advocate. She was a co-sponsor of last years National reciprocity bill the was voted down in Maryland.


I read what you wrote.  My question was because I have seen in other states that co-sponsors get added to bills after the bill is introduced.  I Was wondering if MD doesn't allow for this. 

Smigiel has been in the House since 2003 so he's not very new anymore.