Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => General CCW Discussion => Topic started by: JonathanG on July 29, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
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The wife and I went up to the Lancaster Sheriff's office this morning, to get our Pa. permits. We had printed and completed the applications and photocopied our Delaware CCDW and driver's licences at home. It was a super smooth process. We were in, permits in hand, out, and back to the car in under 30 minutes. Heck, it was so fast that our three year old didn't even have time to get fussy or bored.
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Anyone ever do the mail in process for a PA permit? I work weekdays and im really not in a dire need or rush to get it asap.
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Anyone ever do the mail in process for a PA permit? I work weekdays and im really not in a dire need or rush to get it asap.
My wife and I did ours through Centre County both times, but they can't do it by mail anymore: state law requires that LTCF applications be submitted in person.
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How far is the Lancaster sheriff office? I live in Sussex but want to go get my PA permit. Is the application on the Lancaster sheriff office website?
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Here is the address for the Lancaster Sheriff's Office: 50 North Duke Street, Lancaster PA. 17602. You can google the distance from your location. I believe they open at 8:30 am. We arrived about 10:30 and it wasn't really busy at all. My wife found the application on another county's webpage. They just fill in the county when you present the application. It's 20 dollars for a 5 year permit and it has to be cash or money order, no exceptions. Here is the application: http://www.bedfordcountypa.org/uploads/Application_for_a_License_to_Carry_Firearms.pdf (http://www.bedfordcountypa.org/uploads/Application_for_a_License_to_Carry_Firearms.pdf)
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Awesome. Thank you very much sir!
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Awesome. Thank you very much sir!
You're welcome. My sister and brother-in-law did all the leg work for us, because they went a couple of months ago. It was about 88 miles from Smyrna, if that helps out. A couple other things to mention are, you need front and back copies of both your Delaware CCDW permit and Delaware driver's license, and don't sign the application until you are in front of the staff at the sheriff's office. I have to say that ALL the staff are extremely friendly, helpful, and courteous.
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I went to Lancaster to get my PA permit last year. Very easy in and out. Well worth the trip.
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All the information is much appreciated. I gotta find time to make this drive lol
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I went to Lancaster to get my PA permit last year. Very easy in and out. Well worth the trip.
I went up last summer as well. From sussex on a week day it is about a 2/2.5 hr drive. I took RT1 to 7 north into PA and turned onto RT41 up to RT 30W and straight over to Lancaster. I came back on rt896.
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I copied this from one of my posts from last year after I got my PA permit:
And just to help out those who have not gone up there yet, be sure to:
1. make a copy of both sides of your delaware permit ( I added a copy of my DL on the same sheet) to hand in with your application and instructions sheet.
2. fill out application ahead of time but wait to sign it in front of the clerk.
3. on the instructions sheet(item 3) just print in the town/state where you live where it asks for current police agency.
4. on instructions sheet (item 4) check NO where it asks if you have previously applied. Check YES for New Application.
5. on instructions sheet (item 6) just write in the town or city and the state where you were born.
6. at the very bottom remember to sign AND print your name in the appropriate spaces.
7. keep your drivers license handy because the clerk taking your picture will ask for it.
The whole process takes place in the same room and there are about 10 seats.
Hope this helps someone. Smiley
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Made the trek to Lancaster this morning from Milford. Paid the parking meter out front @ 10:22, quick stop at the restroom, then to the Sherriff's office and back in the car @ 10:40! Not sure why I waited so long.
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Had to travel for work today. Was able to divert to Lancaster. Arrived at 8:50 was out the door at 9:00. The background check took 2 minutes. The longest part was the fella typing my info in for the actual card.
There is one thing to note. I was told that there are only 3 counties left that do the non resident permit. Lancaster as well as the others are considering discontinuing them because they have some problems with out of state folks. He did not elaborate. No timeframe was given. He said if that happens they will not do renewals either. If you are on the fence you may get it sooner rather then later. Not trying to start a panic, just wanted to share what I was told. It will be something to keep an eye on going forward. National ccw anyone?
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So simply deny those folks who cause problems. Out of state permits are a source of income for those counties. I don't see that happening.
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Maybe someone was having a bad day or just is not Pro 2A. Question I have is when you go to PA for the non resident permit do you take your firearm with you or do you leave it at home. Since PA law says you must have a license to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle or do you just lock up the firearm and ammo in seperate parts of the vehicle?
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I left mine home. Certainly couldn't carry it on my way there cuz didn't have the permit yet. And you can't carry into the courthouse (where the sheriff's office is). Plus, the route I took brought me through Maryland. Can't carry there even with DE and PA permits. Just my opinion.
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You will have to go through a metal detector and empty all of your pockets going into the court house where the Sheriff's office is. Good to go on line and get the application forms and fill them out in advanced. BUT, do not sign them until you are in front of the clerk. Pre-signed applications are not accepted. You will need you Delaware CCW permit and your Delaware Driver's license. And of course the money, cash is best.
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I left mine home. Certainly couldn't carry it on my way there cuz didn't have the permit yet. And you can't carry into the courthouse (where the sheriff's office is). Plus, the route I took brought me through Maryland. Can't carry there even with DE and PA permits. Just my opinion.
Actually you may carry in your vehicle in PA with ANY permit from any state. Just can't carry concealed outside of your vehicle without the PA license. So you most certainly could have carried on your way to Lancaster.
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I left mine home. Certainly couldn't carry it on my way there cuz didn't have the permit yet. And you can't carry into the courthouse (where the sheriff's office is). Plus, the route I took brought me through Maryland. Can't carry there even with DE and PA permits. Just my opinion.
Actually you may carry in your vehicle in PA with ANY permit from any state. Just can't carry concealed outside of your vehicle without the PA license. So you most certainly could have carried on your way to Lancaster.
Did not know that. Thanks.
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Actually you may carry in your vehicle in PA with ANY permit from any state. Just can't carry concealed outside of your vehicle without the PA license. So you most certainly could have carried on your way to Lancaster.
I second that.
I carried on the way up there as I had a valid permit from DE. Kept the handgun locked up securely, in the vehicle, during courthouse visit.
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Yes. In PA code 6106 see exemption 11 below:
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
Note this has nothing to do with the reciprocity of carry licenses. This is a separate part of the law. Consequently the only reason a licensed Delaware carrier needs the PA license is to carry concealed on foot. Open carry being legal in PA except in Philadrlphia. You do need a PA license to carry open or concealed in Philadelphia outside of your vehicle.
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Yes. In PA code 6106 see exemption 11 below:
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
Note this has nothing to do with the reciprocity of carry licenses. This is a separate part of the law. Consequently the only reason a licensed Delaware carrier needs the PA license is to carry concealed on foot. Open carry being legal in PA except in Philadrlphia. You do need a PA license to carry open or concealed in Philadelphia outside of your vehicle.
I'm guessing vehicle isn't just a car, truck or SUV but would also include a motorcycle? It's a touchy thing I'd say since when stopped at a light, etc your feet would actually be on the ground.
I'm looking to start taking my boy to PA next year for some trail riding & camping so I suppose I need to get over and pickup my permit sometime. I've been to PA once in the last 3 years so it never made sense to go get it until now.
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Any vehicle includes horse drawn buggy, bike, Greyhound Bus. Just not on foot.
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Take it with you!!!!
Yes, I said that.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=222424 (http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=222424)
OR the law
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.009.013.000..HTM
(e) Facilities for checking firearms or other dangerous weapons.--Each county shall make available at or within the building containing a court facility by July 1, 2002, lockers or similar facilities at no charge or cost for the temporary checking of firearms by persons carrying firearms under section 6106(b) or 6109 or for the checking of other dangerous weapons that are not otherwise prohibited by law. Any individual checking a firearm, dangerous weapon or an item deemed to be a dangerous weapon at a court facility must be issued a receipt. Notice of the location of the facility shall be posted as required under subsection (d).
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If you do not have a PA. permit (but a Permit from your home state, Delaware) can the firearm that is locked up inside the vehicle be loaded OR does the firearm have to have the ammo/mag. stored separate from the locked firearm?
My understanding is IF you have No CCDW permit from any state the ammo must be stored away from the locked firearm.
Not trying to get anal about this but the police could find a technicality for arrest.
Out of State Permit (Firearm Locked and Loaded) or Firearm Locked and No ammo within Reach)?
We need Reciprocity!
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If you do not have a PA. permit (but a Permit from your home state, Delaware) can the firearm that is locked up inside the vehicle be loaded OR does the firearm have to have the ammo/mag. stored separate from the locked firearm?
My understanding is IF you have No CCDW permit from any state the ammo must be stored away from the locked firearm.
Not trying to get anal about this but the police could find a technicality for arrest.
Out of State Permit (Firearm Locked and Loaded) or Firearm Locked and No ammo within Reach)?
We need Reciprocity!
Firearm can be loaded in vehicle if you have any permit. Without a permit you may not have a handgun in your vehicle loaded or unloaded with several exceptions such as on way to range unloaded, on way to a vacation home, a few others but without a license from any jurisdiction PA is almost exactly like New Jersey or Maryland in that you cannot transport a handgun in your vehicle.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but I will ask anyway. I am going to Lancaster this Friday to get my PA permit. Would it be unwise to leave the holster on me or would it be best to just leave it in the car? Just don't want to make the drive for nothing because I had the holster on my hip without the firearm in it. It is an IWB holster and I am a chubby dude to it can be a bit challenging to get the holster in and out of my pants.
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You will be going through a metal detector when you enter the courthouse. If it has metal, it might show up and you will have to remove it.
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See reply #23 above. If you want, call them and ask about checking it in.
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I'd say take the holster off. Most holsters have some metal in them, like snaps, and belt clips. That will set off the metal detectors. Then you will have to explain why you are wearing a holster for a gun in PA. WITH NO PERMIT, valid in PA.
This could make your trip to PA. a lost cause and a charge such as this could eliminate you from not Only getting a PA. permit, but bounce back on you here in Delaware and cause you to lose your DECCW.
Why go all the way there and screw it up at the last minute. Be safe and wise. Good luck.
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Kent.
(We need Reciprocity)
There art currently 4 bills before the US Congress titled the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015. All of these bills are in committee, pending further action. But other than co-sponsors signing on, there has been no action by the Republican House or Senate. One is a Senate Bill, and 3 are House Bills. But one thing they all have in common is they do not infringe on individual state rights to set their own laws. So, they would only make the recognition of states permits reciprocal, but would not answer your suggestion.
The Bills are S. 498, H.R.923, H.R. 402, H.R. 986, and you can go into the Government bill tracking website and sign on to track these bill and get email updates as they happen. BUT, nothing has happened lately. They will probably die in committee and be brought up again next year as new bills.
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I'd say take the holster off. Most holsters have some metal in them, like snaps, and belt clips. That will set off the metal detectors. Then you will have to explain why you are wearing a holster for a gun in PA. WITH NO PERMIT, valid in PA.
This could make your trip to PA. a lost cause and a charge such as this could eliminate you from not Only getting a PA. permit, but bounce back on you here in Delaware and cause you to lose your DECCW.
Why go all the way there and screw it up at the last minute. Be safe and wise. Good luck.
That was my thinking on it all initially just wanted to make sure I was not over thinking it.
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Does it matter where your references are from on the PA app?
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Call them 717 299 8200 optn 5. I was going to call them about the storage of the firearm but was on hold too long (I'm at work).
I'm sure they have NO issues with an empty holster.
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I think we are doing a GREAT job over thinking it.....
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61&sctn=6&subsctn=0 (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61&sctn=6&subsctn=0)
6108 (B)(11)
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle,
which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license
for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the
United States or any other state.
PA is also an OC state EXCPT for Philly and possibly Pitt (without a LTCF).
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I asked about carrying on this forum when I went to Lancaster and got pretty much the same replies.
I ended up taking my handgun with me and locked it in my car safe while getting my permit. No problems except taking 896 home and driving through MD for 15 seconds. :o
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On 896 southbound turn left just before state line and avoid MD on Chambers Rock Road. Also need Pa LTCF for open carry only in " cities of the first class". Which is only Philadelphia You are fine in Pittsburg
Agree with Radnor. Too much overthinking this.
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I left mine home. Certainly couldn't carry it on my way there cuz didn't have the permit yet. And you can't carry into the courthouse (where the sheriff's office is). Plus, the route I took brought me through Maryland. Can't carry there even with DE and PA permits. Just my opinion.
I am taking a little longer route that will not take me into maryland. First to the sheriff then to the green dragon then to finish up the day at shady maple
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Made that trip today to Lancaster took all of 10 minutes they were some really nice people. The old fella behind the counter was cracking jokes. Here is what I learned from the sheriff today as far as taking your holster in there when you first are going to apply. Leave the holster in your car they will pester the hell out of you even though it does not have a firearm in there it will delay you getting processed as they will ask you a ton of questions at the check point. Just best to avoid this hassle and leave everything in the car. I was also informed by the nice officer that if your firearm is stolen out of your car and a crime is commited with it you are resonsible in PA. I found it funny that he did not know that a Person from Delaware is allowed to carry a firearm in the car but the other guy that was standing there with him did and corrected him on it. Got away from the city pulled over and put my holster back on I learned from another fat guy how to get your holster on with your pants on LOL. Then off to the green dragon we went then to shady maple for dinner was a nice day out with the wife. Also they do have safes for checking your firearm there the sheriff advised me of that for my next visit in 5 years
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Great info. Glad to see someone not afraid to ask question of police at the check-in station and sheriff's office. Welcome to a fellow Non-Resident PA. Concealed Carry Permit holder in Delaware.
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Great info. Glad to see someone not afraid to ask question of police at the check-in station and sheriff's office. Welcome to a fellow Non-Resident PA. Concealed Carry Permit holder in Delaware.
I have always been "that guy" to ask questions of people that most would not. It is all in how you approach them and your attitude twards them. That officer was a bit of a douche but I always kill them with kidness. I am a manager in a retail envorment so you learn to deal with rude and arrogant people and not offend them but get your point accross. I can have those discussions with people and not get angry and call people names. Being the only christian at work besides my wife we have those unconfortable conversations and never holler and scream at each other we may disagree at times but in the end we still respect what each other belives. Wish there were more people in this world that can do this I think we could all learn from eachother.
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The folks at Lancaster are very professional and customer friendly at the same time. My whole life I always listed my hair color as brown. When I handed the gentlemen my applications he said "your in denial aren't you". So I corrected it to gray.
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The folks at Lancaster are very professional and customer friendly at the same time. My whole life I always listed my hair color as brown. When I handed the gentlemen my applications he said "your in denial aren't you". So I corrected it to gray.
There was a guy there yesterday his head was shaved bald he had some hair coming back in he was harrasing him about that it was funny. He also was like looks like Delaware showed up today too as like 5 others walked in when I was getting my permit. They are very friendly there it is a nice little town I love lancaster go there quite a few times during the year
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The folks at Lancaster are very professional and customer friendly at the same time. My whole life I always listed my hair color as brown. When I handed the gentlemen my applications he said "your in denial aren't you". So I corrected it to gray.
I think I had the same guy... I told him I asked my wife if my hair was black or brown, and she said "Gray." He just said "Yup."
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When I did my permit in Lancaster, I put blonde in the box for hair color, and the nice man behind the counter corrected me and changed it to BALD.
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update: Lancaster Sheriff is still issuing at this time. 4 of us made the trip up a week ago. got there at 10:05 am on Friday where on our way home by 11:00 am. during that time there were 3 pa residents that they put ahead of us. very nice folks to deal with but again they talked of shutting down in near future so if your going to go get with it.
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Wish I did this instead, I went to Media as I work in Chester, what a PIA. Drove around looking for parking finally found it and waited for an hour. Now have to wait for them to send letter to my house and then go back up there to pick it up :o
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I went to the Lancaster Sheriffs office today and picked up my LTCF. Easy Peasy!
In and out in 20 mins.
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Why anybody goes to any other place is beyond me. I wouldn't think of using any other Sherriff's office up there.
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I think some people just plug in Media and Lancaster on their GPS and go to Media because it's closer. Another reason to watch this board!!