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Justifiable use of force?
« on: February 29, 2016, 12:53:31 AM »
I read this article today, has anyone else seen this?  I'm just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this from a legal standpoint.  So this dirtball has a knife and is trying to go through the doggy door and gets shot in the face.  He deserved whatever he got.  But from a liability and/or legal standpoint would it have been better to just crack him aside the head with a frying pan or whatever was handy?  In this case the homeowner was considered justified, but if that happened here in Delaware, what do you guys think would happen when the police showed up?

Seems to me, in reading .464 and .466 of state law, that this would be considered legal deadly force.  Thoughts?

http://concealednation.org/2016/02/intruder-is-shot-in-face-by-homeowner-while-trying-to-enter-through-doggie-door/
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Re: Justifiable use of force?
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 04:10:10 AM »
If you can successfully argue AOJ+P within the law, use deadly force. 
Which of these applied?
§464(c) The use of deadly force is justifiable under this section if the defendant believes that such force is necessary to protect the defendant against death, serious physical injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat.

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Re: Justifiable use of force?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 01:18:45 PM »
Another article says the guy was in the kitchen, not just putting his face through the doggie door so yes, I would have shot him. I am not sure what type of gun was used but he was shot twice. This article has the mug shot (pun intended).

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The homeowner found Gonzales in the kitchen and shot him twice, and told cops he felt threatened when the intruder moved toward him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alleged-las-vegas-burglar-takes-mug-photo-shot-article-1.2535434
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Re: Justifiable use of force?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 02:07:07 PM »
§ 466 Justification — Use of force for the protection of property.

(a) The use of force upon or toward the person of another is justifiable when the defendant believes that such force is immediately necessary:

(1) To prevent the commission of criminal trespass or burglary in a building or upon real property in the defendant's possession or in the possession of another person for whose protection the defendant acts; or

(2) To prevent entry upon real property in the defendant's possession or in the possession of another person for whose protection the defendant acts; or

(3) To prevent theft, criminal mischief or any trespassory taking of tangible, movable property in the defendant's possession or in the possession of another person for whose protection the defendant acts.

(b) The defendant may in the circumstances named in subsection (a) of this section use such force as the defendant believes is necessary to protect the threatened property, provided that the defendant first requests the person against whom force is used to desist from interference with the property, unless the defendant believes that:

(1) Such a request would be useless; or

(2) It would be dangerous to the defendant or another person to make the request; or

(3) Substantial harm would be done to the physical condition of the property which is sought to be protected before the request could effectively be made.

(c) The use of deadly force for the protection of property is justifiable only if the defendant believes that:

(1) The person against whom the force is used is attempting to dispossess the defendant of the defendant's dwelling otherwise than under a claim of right to its possession; or

(2) The person against whom the deadly force is used is attempting to commit arson, burglary, robbery or felonious theft or property destruction and either:

a. Had employed or threatened deadly force against or in the presence of the defendant; or

b. Under the circumstances existing at the time, the defendant believed the use of force other than deadly force would expose the defendant, or another person in the defendant's presence, to the reasonable likelihood of serious physical injury.


(d) Where a person has used force for the protection of property and has not been convicted for any crime or offense connected with that use of force, such person shall not be liable for damages or be otherwise civilly liable to the one against whom such force was used.
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