Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => General CCW Discussion => Topic started by: horaceunit on January 12, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
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I joined over a year ago but have finally gotten serious about obtaining my CCW. I have a question I have not found an answer to. For the Reference form that you have 5 people fill out should it be hand written or, since the form is online and can be filled out and printed, should it be typed? I figure that I can fill in my information and then print them and then let my references hand write the rest, but can the whole thing be typed and the person then just sign and date it? Just curious as I think it would look more professional typed out, but wonder if it would be better to have the actual reference appear more authentic hadn written. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Oh, I'm in Sussex County if that has any bearing.
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I don't think it really matters. DE is after the content, not the appearance. Just as long as the form can be read.
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I would not pre fill anything out on them and just have your references fill them out by hand. Having them typed then printed my cause a red flag maybe that is just me over thinking it. I am sure others will give their opinion also.
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That's sort of what I was thinking that someone may think it wasn't really done by someone and just filled out. Of course it would be signed and dated by them, but..... Not sure.
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Make sure the reason is as stated in the law " for personal protection or the protection of the person's property" for the reason you are applying for the permit on the reference forms and on the application. There should be no other explanation given. I had a friend have one of his references put on there that he was a business owner ect. He wound up having to give up all of his information about his business which was a big headache. So make sure that only that statement in quotations is the reason for applying for the permit.
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That is why I am leaning toward filling out on the form online everything except the actual reference and the signature and date which would be hand written by my reference. Still not sure that is the best way but your point makes it seem like a better idea.
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Give it a shot see how it works I don't know of anyone that has done it that way. I would be worried about them questioning if the references were valid because they were all typed out again I tend to overthink things at times. You could always call them and ask if that would be acceptable to have them typed out.
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I agree with you Horace. Print the blank reference forms and let your folks fill them out with a pen. Easiest way to do it.
Cheers.
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I just did one for a friend. He put his info in, and Emailed the form to me. I typed my answers in, printed it, and signed it.
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My opinion for what it's worth is just to have them fill it out and put the reason THEY feel you should have a carry license.
Filling in the blanks for them to me raises flags and looks like "pencil whipping "
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My opinion for what it's worth is just to have them fill it out and put the reason THEY feel you should have a carry license.
Filling in the blanks for them to me raises flags and looks like "pencil whipping "
Agree. A pre-filled form implies that the reference doesn't actually know your reason for applying.
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Your references don't have to know your reason for applying. I told all my reference to just check the box marked "NO".
I had no problems and none of my references were contacted.
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One the front page of the questionnaire you can fill out YOUR name, addr, csz, etc. Up to the BOLD line. After that it IS IN THEIR handwriting!
Make 7 copies. Someone will screw one up, you'll have an extra.
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One the front page of the questionnaire you can fill out YOUR name, addr, csz, etc. Up to the BOLD line. After that it IS IN THEIR handwriting!
Make 7 copies. Someone will screw one up, you'll have an extra.
This is absolutely correct. Follow Radnor's advice.
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Radnor, thanks that is kind of what I was thinking made the most sense. Fill my info out and then print it and let the reference fill out the rest. Sounds like that is they way to go.
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I just went and looked at the online form and I see where the bar is at the top. The thing that is a bit confusing is that you can fill the rest of the form out so it almost seems as though you should in a way. Except, of course, the actual questions that someone else would obviously have to answer. As part of that did anyone have your references add anything in the additional space box like "oh what a wonderful person so and so is..." or just answer the questions briefly and that is it?
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Your references don't have to know your reason for applying. I told all my reference to just check the box marked "NO".
I had no problems and none of my references were contacted.
Not a risk that I would take when it is simple to have them quote Article I, Section 20. As Clarence pointed out, the semblance of "pencil whipping" can highlight your app for additional scrutiny.
Concerning laudatory comments, quoting a fact might be useful such as community association president, local pastor/priest/rabbi, or similar significant position but is unnecessary, IMO.
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I told them to check the "NO" box because they truly did not know my reason for applying. And none of them asked. I was told on good authority that this was the best way to go. I would think telling them to quote some article would look more like "pencil whipping" and raise suspicions than just saying truthfully that they didnt know.
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Thanks for all the great info! I guess the other thing is to take the class and get some of these questions answered then! Trying to get everything in order and have it almost done when I go to take the class in a couple of weeks. I've already decided to take the class and not worry about what happens with the CCW as the training is useful in either case.
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Well I have 4 of my reference forms filled out and the other one I have contacted and will be getting together with this weekend. Fingerprinting is scheduled for next week and the ad in the guide will run this week. I have the CCW class scheduled for the end of February which I am going to take regardless as I'm sure it's good info and training to have. The only thing I still have left is to get the passport type photos which is not a big deal. I am thinking that once I have the fingerprint/background check done I might as well go ahead and file the paperwork. I know that you can wait and if approved then submit the cert for the training, but can you file the cert as soon as you get it as well? I realize you can also just wait until the class is taken and file everything together, but I won't be taking the class until a month after I have all the other requirements so I can't see waiting that long. After that is is better to wait until contacted to file the class certification, or file everything else and then file the class cert as soon as you get it?
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When in Feb is your class?
We offer the option to our students for the photos and AZ finger printing/application.
You could submit it (certificate) after you receive it. You MUST submit the original and a copy.
It should speed it up a little VS waiting for the approval letter then submitting the certificate.
BEST option would be a COMPLETE packet of all the required material.
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Radnor, thanks for all your help on several posts! My class is Feb. 27. From your signature line you are in NCC? I'm in Sussex, Lewes, actually. I figured it was the best option to do the whole package together, but since I will be finished with everything but the class I was thinking on getting a head start and submit the class cert when I get it.
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With Marino tactical? If so tell Barry I said hello. Barry was in our NRA Instructor class at Hensen Scout Reservation.
Not sure if Kirk was too or not, would have to look at course reports.
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I took my course with Marino Tactical and it was complete and a good one day course. Kirk and Barry did a very good job explaining all the necessary items for the class plus I had a good time doing the scenarios they set up for us. I would recommend Kirk and Barry if you are looking for a place to take the course.
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It is with Marino Tactical but I am not sure who will be giving the class at this point.
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I also took the course thru Kirk at Marino Tactical.
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I took my course at Marino Tactical, also. Barry was the instructor.
They are offering the Utah class now, which includes fingerprints and photo. A $25 discount for those who took thier CCW course with them.
When you call to reserve a spot just tell them the date you took the CCW course.
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If anyone is still looking here is another question! I had asked several people to fill out the form and had already gotten 5 forms for my package. A couple of people had said OK but I hadn't heard and didn't want to push but I just got a couple more in the last couple of days so now I have 7 questionnaires. Obviously I will use the 5 best ones (i.e. the ones that have the longest amount of time they have known me) but would it make sense to include them all? I don't want it to look like I am pushing or anything so would it make more sense to keep them in case there is a question on any of the other ones I have a couple of back ups? Patiently waiting to finish my class!
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Dont think it will make any difference. I'd just include 5.
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Thanks Radnor! I'll keep two in reserve just in case!