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State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: 8thFA on April 28, 2016, 10:59:02 PM

Title: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: 8thFA on April 28, 2016, 10:59:02 PM

This guy makes the rest of us look bad, and now someone is dead, this is a sad story that shouldn't have happened.


http://6abc.com/news/montco-church-member-charged-in-fatal-shooting/1313599/
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: oldgraygeek on April 28, 2016, 11:13:42 PM
The worst kind of id10t...

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Storms, who authorities say has no official function with the church or any history of law enforcement, approached Braxton and displayed a Concealed Weapons Permit badge. He then told Braxton he had to leave the sanctuary.
"The badge that defendant showed the victim was a permit to carry a concealed weapon that he seemingly purchased online," Steele said.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: NormH3 on April 28, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
The way I read it, he displayed a fake badge that indicated he had a CC permit. There is nothing that says he had a legitimate CCW permit.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: 8thFA on April 28, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
The way I read it, he displayed a fake badge that indicated he had a CC permit. There is nothing that says he had a legitimate CCW permit.
Another article quoted the DA as saying the shooter showed his concealed carry permit, so if he didn't have one they would have charged him for carrying a deadly weapon without a permit I would think.  He was charged with manslaughter and reckless endangerment. 

Sounds like he had it in some kind of badge holder like you may use at work, something on a lanyard maybe.  Definitely a few bricks short of a full load.  Another article said he had flashed his permit before during another altercation and the other guy walked away. 
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: PPScarry on April 29, 2016, 12:02:23 AM
Sounds like a fake CCDW "purchased online". Never heard of that.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: NormH3 on April 29, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
The way I read it, he displayed a fake badge that indicated he had a CC permit. There is nothing that says he had a legitimate CCW permit.
Another article quoted the DA as saying the shooter showed his concealed carry permit, so if he didn't have one they would have charged him for carrying a deadly weapon without a permit I would think.  He was charged with manslaughter and reckless endangerment. 

Sounds like he had it in some kind of badge holder like you may use at work, something on a lanyard maybe.  Definitely a few bricks short of a full load.  Another article said he had flashed his permit before during another altercation and the other guy walked away. 

That's the problem with the press. Multiple stories with different "facts".
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: oldgraygeek on April 29, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
I interpreted it as one of those "ccw permit" badges like this one here (http://www.budk.com/Concealed-Weapon-Permit-Badge-with-Leather-Case-20668)... the kind of thing that none of us would be caught dead carrying, let alone flashing in someone's face during a confrontation.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: 8thFA on April 29, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
I interpreted it as one of those "ccw permit" badges like this one here (http://www.budk.com/Concealed-Weapon-Permit-Badge-with-Leather-Case-20668)... the kind of thing that none of us would be caught dead carrying, let alone flashing in someone's face during a confrontation.

wow... 
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: NormH3 on April 29, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
I interpreted it as one of those "ccw permit" badges like this one here (http://www.budk.com/Concealed-Weapon-Permit-Badge-with-Leather-Case-20668)... the kind of thing that none of us would be caught dead carrying, let alone flashing in someone's face during a confrontation.

I was thinking the same
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: Rabbit on May 01, 2016, 08:38:36 PM
We have discussed on this forum the whole CCW badge concept and reached a majority opinion that's it's a bad idea only for people who want to pretend to be cops.

http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=1496.0 (http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=1496.0)
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: ThePixelated on May 03, 2016, 01:07:10 AM
It was right to bring charges against this guy. He wasn't legally licensed to carry concealed. genius.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: Adrenolin on May 03, 2016, 07:39:42 AM
argh.. wish those 'badges' were illegal! I had a friend whose anti-gun comment to me that a ccw permit holder shot and killed the guy. Attempting to explain that the shooter was NOT a permit holder but rather had simply purchased a worthless fake badge online to them was impossible. "but but the guy had a CWP Badge permit" they kept saying... SMH.  ::)
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: Rabbit on May 05, 2016, 01:15:59 PM
The news never said he doesn't have a CCW permit, they said he displayed a CCW badge. He could still have possessed a CCW permit.

I don't know of any CCW process that has a mechanism designed to keep tools/idiots/dumba$$es out of the app process.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: 8thFA on May 06, 2016, 11:19:05 PM
The news never said he doesn't have a CCW permit, they said he displayed a CCW badge. He could still have possessed a CCW permit.

I don't know of any CCW process that has a mechanism designed to keep tools/idiots/dumba$$es out of the app process.

True statement, brilliant people can still buy guns and get permits...
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: NormH3 on May 08, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
The news never said he doesn't have a CCW permit, they said he displayed a CCW badge. He could still have possessed a CCW permit.


The point I was trying to make, was we all know that "the badge" doesn't indicate whether or not you have a legal CCW permit. The news story made it sound like he did. If he doesn't have one do you really think they will come back and correct the story? Regardless of the badge, and whether it's true or false, everyone things a guy with a CCW killed the man.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: MarkB on May 08, 2016, 07:42:50 PM
Storms had just been issued a carry permit according to this report.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/church-member-charged-fatal-shooting-sunday-service
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: topper on September 23, 2016, 01:35:09 AM
This is the first review of the product as you scroll down. Scary! But I wonder if this is a review posted by the manufacturer? Either way, it's dangerous and may put ideas in someones head.


Tier 1 Operator CCW Reviewed by on Mar 09, 2016   5 out of 5
I purchased this to put my newly aquired CCW permit in. This thing is a work of art and craftsmanship. The imitation leather is soft yet tough and the badge itself is made from the best pot metal around, its amazing really. Now that i carry the badge, i no longer even carry my firearm, im atleast 87% sure the badge alone will make any would be thug surrender upon sight. And for the times i do still carry, im not concerned at all it defeats the purpose of concealing a weapon. FBHO FHRC FUAROCK
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: lynch on September 23, 2016, 09:15:21 AM
Anyone who wants to carry a CCDW badge should not be issued a CCDW.
A CCDW does NOT make you a cop.
Com' on, man!!
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: Andrew1986 on September 23, 2016, 02:14:15 PM
The statement in the article where the DA says "he had no reason to bring a gun to church." To me that makes no sense I know me as a CCW LICENSEE I carry ever where I go including church. I don't carry knowing I'm going to need it I carry in case I do need it.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: NormH3 on September 23, 2016, 02:56:51 PM
The statement in the article where the DA says "he had no reason to bring a gun to church." To me that makes no sense I know me as a CCW LICENSEE I carry ever where I go including church. I don't carry knowing I'm going to need it I carry in case I do need it.

Recent history has shown that churches can be soft targets. More reason to carry.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 23, 2016, 10:40:02 PM
I have been carry to church for years, and will continue.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: 8thFA on September 24, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
I have been carry to church for years, and will continue.
I carry in church everytime I'm there.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: seniorgeek on September 26, 2016, 11:40:29 AM
I have been carry to church for years, and will continue.
I carry in church everytime I'm there.

I also carry at church plus on of the pastors also has his CCDW.
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: oldgraygeek on September 26, 2016, 12:04:32 PM
Next time I'm in church, I'll probably be in a coffee can. What's the best holster for that scenario?
Title: Re: concealed carrier charged with murder in Montco, PA
Post by: Adrenolin on September 26, 2016, 12:09:47 PM
Next time I'm in church, I'll probably be in a coffee can. What's the best holster for that scenario?

The one you'll be in  ;D