Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
General => New Member Introduction => Topic started by: Nomad on December 31, 2022, 02:19:00 PM
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Happy New Year folks.
I just joined your forum.
My wife and I are in the process of moving from NJ to somewhere a bit warmer. One criterion for our new home state is not having to kiss anyone's a$$ to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights. As you may have heard, NJ and NY have both passed a bunch of laws that seek to neutralize last summer's supreme court ruling. How's the climate in Delaware?
1. How easy was it to get CC before the ruling?
2. How about now? Has it become easier?
3. Is your legislature attempting the same illegal pseudo-remedies as NJ?
4. Has the climate for CC and guns generally improved since the summer, deteriorated, or stayed the same?
5. Overall feelings about your state's firearm and CC laws?
Sorry for the laundry list, and of course you don't have to answer all those questions. I value the advice of rank and file much more so than any article or "expert's" opinion on this matter.
Sincerely,
"Nomad"
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I would recommend you go to a Conservative Republican, red state, with a long record of conservative elected officials. Delaware is definitely not it. Sorry Delaware, but you are what you are.
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1. Wasn't difficult for me, but time consuming and expensive. The MD process was much easier and they recognize veterans so I skipped the training course
2. My guess is the same, but I'm only on my first renewal
3. Our legislature has no original thoughts and models most new gun laws after NY and NJ. Probably because most ppl moving in are from there and are tainting the system
4. Of the people I interact with they don't generally disagree with my having a permit, in fact a few of them ask me for advice about them potentially owning and carrying. I think the "why do you feel like you need one" attitude has generally changed over the last few years. Long guns not so much. Hopefully the gun laws are what deteriorates via scotus
5. It's getting worse, and I only decided to start carrying in late 2018. My first gun outside of the military took me I think 5 years to get, but have owned them ever since
Generally I'm hopeful these laws will get struck down, but this state has been getting bluer for decades and there's airways something for them to do that will be passed quickly and argued against for years. The 2 lower counties hate New castle, and I'm starting to hate delaware in general but only because of the government. Unfortunately, most people can't up-and-leave as quick as rules are made
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Advise not to move to Delaware. Obtaining a concealed carry license is one of the most difficult in the country. (of the states that will actually give you one) They require affidavits from 5 county residents that have known you for at least a year. That is not a big deal to natives of the state but probably means you won’t be able to carry for a year. Also you need to put an ad in the paper and take training, fingerprints etc. Cost will be about $400.
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As a native of 80 years, I agree with them. Go somewhere more Constitution friendly. Delaware is getting worse, not better. I have considered moving but am too old and most family is here.
Bill
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... Obtaining a concealed carry license is one of the most difficult in the country.
It's NOT difficult, just lots of hoops to jump through.
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If you are looking for warmer, you might consider North Carolina. They are also a shall issue state.
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Thanks, I suspected as much.
I have another general question. Six months after Bruen, NJ gun orgs and the big ranges are still pushing and selling classes for out-of-state permits, like UT and FL. Aside from one cheat sheet I have seen nothing from them on obtaining an actual, honest-to-God NJ resident CC permit. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but it looks like NJ's gun laws as they stand are good for business if you catch my drift.
Is it the same in Delaware??
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Not fully sure I understand. Are you saying training courses have vamped up because of the bruin decision, even though the likelyhood of successfully carrying is not happening?
If anything delaware was a state that immediately made it worse for certain gun purchasing and ownership, not really for ccw
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Delaware requires about 12 hours training. Live fire 100 rounds. Ad in newspaper, 5 affidavits,fingerprints, 2 photos and driving abstract if you have lived in Delaware less than 5 years and of course the fee for a three year license. Renewal is much easier and it’s 5 years just the application and two photos. About $400 or so first time. $65 for next and subsequent 5 year license
25 states now do not require a license to carry concealed and addional 6 or 7 allow open carry without a license ( like Delaware)
The affidavits and newspaper in Delaware are 110 year old laws. The rest are more recent innovations.
Soon Delaware will require a permit to purchase at least a handgun.
Go someplace else if you have a choice. The Carolinas or the Eastern Shore of Virginia
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Not fully sure I understand. Are you saying training courses have vamped up because of the bruin decision, even though the likelyhood of successfully carrying is not happening?
If anything delaware was a state that immediately made it worse for certain gun purchasing and ownership, not really for ccw
Mark my words. The recent laws in Delaware will be struck down within the courts. The Democrats used the new laws to gain votes within their party for the past election. They see it as a Chess game and plan their moves as required. The Republicans don't seem to do this very well and need to up their game.
Full disclosure. I'm a right leaning Independent. There are ~125000 registered Independents in Delaware. The Republican Party needs to wake up.
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Delaware requires about 12 hours training.
SOURCE PLEASE?
Delaware REQUIRES 1441 a-j.
https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441 (https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441)
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Delaware requires about 12 hours training.
SOURCE PLEASE?
Delaware REQUIRES 1441 a-j.
https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441 (https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441)
i am not finding any specific time for required course, but these are what's required of the courses:
a. Instruction regarding knowledge and safe handling of firearms;
b. Instruction regarding safe storage of firearms and child safety;
c. Instruction regarding knowledge and safe handling of ammunition;
d. Instruction regarding safe storage of ammunition and child safety;
e. Instruction regarding safe firearms shooting fundamentals;
f. Live fire shooting exercises conducted on a range, including the expenditure of a minimum of 100 rounds of ammunition;
g. Identification of ways to develop and maintain firearm shooting skills;
h. Instruction regarding federal and state laws pertaining to the lawful purchase, ownership, transportation, use and possession of firearms;
i. Instruction regarding the laws of this State pertaining to the use of deadly force for self defense; and
j. Instruction regarding techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and how to manage a violent confrontation, including conflict resolution.
Not fully sure I understand. Are you saying training courses have vamped up because of the bruin decision, even though the likelyhood of successfully carrying is not happening?
If anything delaware was a state that immediately made it worse for certain gun purchasing and ownership, not really for ccw
Mark my words. The recent laws in Delaware will be struck down within the courts. The Democrats used the new laws to gain votes within their party for the past election. They see it as a Chess game and plan their moves as required. The Republicans don't seem to do this very well and need to up their game.
Full disclosure. I'm a right leaning Independent. There are ~125000 registered Independents in Delaware. The Republican Party needs to wake up.
i am very hopeful they will be struck down as well, but i don't think they were pandering for votes necessarily. the legislation took place and was signed for a while before any election material was really ramping up.
delaware has been comfortably blue in terms of it's legislative body since obama started. once you get into a solid status it's @@@@ difficult to get out. i don't know what dramatic event needs to occur to change the status, but it seems we are importing more leftist slime from other states. at this point, i doubt the state will drift to the right at all.
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Delaware requires about 12 hours training.
SOURCE PLEASE?
Delaware REQUIRES 1441 a-j.
https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441 (https://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c005/sc07/index.html#1441)
sorry. didn't realize i was quoting you until after the fact
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yes, I was questioning the 12 hrs.
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You definitely don't want to move to Delafornia. This place is only going to get worse. I made a big mistake in moving here to retire 28 yrs ago. Now I am stuck here and that is how it goes. Again, find another state to live in if you value your rights. Good Luck and alll the best to you.
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It's a shame the guv doesn't read this. I doubt he would be happy seeing that people won't recommend his state. This used to be such a nice place to live and grow up in, so sad that the dems have ruined it.
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The last Republican Governor in Delaware was Mike Castle (RINO) if you don't count Dale Wolf, that replaced Castle so he could run for US Senate many, many, years ago. Biggest problem in Delaware is the Dumbocrats in New Castle County have more voters than there are voters in Kent and Sussex Counties combines. Kent and Sussex have the largest land size, but New Castle have the population. One of the maior reasons that Pete Dupont won was he got so many votes in N/C was because his family (DUPONTS) employed most of the labor there. But the Dupont Co. is a shell of what it once was.
Don't look for Delaware to change any time in the next 10 years, if that.
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I think you need to look again at the totals for each county. There were more Democrat registered voters in Kent than there were Republican registered voters as of December. It's not just New Castle County.
https://elections.delaware.gov/services/candidate/regtotals2022.shtml
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Total Registered Voters in New Castle County 431,382
Total Registered Voters in Kent and Sussex Combined 322,643
Net Difference 108,239 Advantage N/C County
https://elections.delaware.gov/reports/regtotals/2022/vrt_PP20220101.pdf
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Total Registered Voters in New Castle County 431,382
Total Registered Voters in Kent and Sussex Combined 322,643
Net Difference 108,239 Advantage N/C County
https://elections.delaware.gov/reports/regtotals/2022/vrt_PP20220101.pdf
I think you missed my point. There are MORE Democrat registered voters in Kent County than there are Republicans in Kent County.
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It's a shame the guv doesn't read this. I doubt he would be happy seeing that people won't recommend his state. This used to be such a nice place to live and grow up in, so sad that the dems have ruined it.
He would love it. He does not want people like the OP moving to “his” state. People who think for themselves are not welcome in Carney’s Delaware. Carney and his ilk want robot voters who will
unquestioningly vote the straight democrat ticket.
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yes, I was questioning the 12 hrs.
Seems that is what it takes including getting to and from a range.
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yes, I was questioning the 12 hrs.
Seems that is what it takes including getting to and from a range.
i would argue the total time from start to finish isn't even in the realm of 12 hours, to include the "training" course. it's all the driving, contacting, checking paperwork 5 times over, finding people to vouch, blah blah blah. lest anyone thinks ccw holders are the problem, i would like to know what person would go through all this trouble for nefarious acts?
which makes me question what a national reciprocity would look like. considering every state is (supposed) to now be a shall issue, you still have extreme degrees of no permitting and rigorous application/scrutiny, and everything in between. i wonder how an agreement and ultimate law would come about, even in the best of circumstances like holding both chambers and presidency. i can't imagine a law would be passed that requires nothing more than an age limit and background check to satisfy a national license, or a license at all if that's what reciprocity would be. it's just ridiculous i have to carry around 3 different state permits, and i am literally walking distance from each. or if i want to vacation in maine, over half my trip i'd have to keep a weapon stowed in my mobile armory till i get there
it would be funny if the federal government deemed every state a constitutional carry....since every state is already supposed to be one in the first place. talk about the department of redundancy department.
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Been a few years back but I got my training at Marino's in Lincoln, DE. and got it all in 1 day.
Training available:
http://www.marinotactical.com/
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In my case, training was a 10 hour Saturday, (Classroom)
and a 4 hour Sunday. (Range)
Of the range time, approx. 1 hour of instruction of grip,
stance, focus, (how to avoid distractions from the shooters
arround you) and what is behind your target. Same as what
was taught in the classroom, but in a live fire setting. Also
about a half hour to fire 100 rounds on target at 7, 15, and
25 yards. By the time you add in the paperwork, affidavits,
newspaper, fingerprints, passport photo's, and the trip to
the Courthouse, it was more like 30 hours. I was lucky to
get 4 of my 5 affidavits all at once, and 1 the next day at
work, or that would have been additional time. The cost was
$350 for the training, $100 for the News-Journal, (it's more now)
the fingerprinting IIRC $50, $10 for the passport photo's,
and the Licensing Fee, $65. So about $575, but it was a
while ago, so I could be off a few bucks.