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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Radnor on March 14, 2013, 01:01:56 PM
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Just received this:
Friends for Jeff Spiegelman,
We had a really good day today. The show of support for the second amendment in Leg Hall shocked even me, so I know it scared the heck out of our opponents. I brought many of the concerns that we talked about in the Background Check bill to the floor and the answers we got were..... unsatisfactory at best.
Our opponents actually said, on record, that this bill is about tracking firearms. I was shocked to hear that. The bill has been moved to next week. The rumor is it will be in committee at noon on Wednesday. I will let you know as soon as I know for sure.
However, right after the committee meeting, the 3rd bill went out for sponsors. This one is about "large capacity" magazine. It has been attached. I have all sorts of problems with it, but I would love to hear what you have to say before I give my two cents.
Thank you for your support. Keep up the good fight.
Jeff Spiegelman
Representative 11th District
Dover: 302-744-4171
Wilmington: 302-577-8723
Cell: 302-399-7728
Fax: 302-739-2773
Constituent: jeff.spiegelman@state.de.us
Personal: jeff@jeffderepresentative.com
Legislative Hall: PO Box 1401. Dover, DE 19903
Personal: PO Box 869. Clayton, DE. 19938
www.jeffspiegelman.com
www.jeffderepresentative.com
SPONSOR:
Rep. Mitchell
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
147th GENERAL ASSEMBLY
HOUSE BILL NO.
AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 11 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO PROHIBITED CONDUCT IN CONNECTION WITH LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINES.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF DELAWARE:
Section 1. Amend Title 11 of the Delaware Code by making insertions as shown by underlining as follows:
§ 1462. Manufacture, sale, transfer, purchase, receipt or unlawful possession of large-capacity magazines.
(a) Except as otherwise specified herein, no person shall manufacture, sell, transfer, purchase, receive or possess unlawfully any large-capacity magazine.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) “Large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not include (A) an ammunition feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds, or (B) an attached tubular ammunition feeding device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
(2) “Licensed firearms dealer” means any person licensed as a deadly weapons dealer pursuant to Chapter 9 of Title 24 and 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq.
(3) “Not readily operable” means that the large-capacity magazine or firearm is disassembled, broken down, or stored in a manner to prevent its immediate use.
(4) “Possess” or “possession” means that the person has the item under his or her dominion and authority, and that said item is at the relevant time physically available and accessible to the person.
(5) “Possess unlawfully” or “unlawful possession” means possession of a large-capacity magazine in a public place while in possession of a firearm capable of accepting such magazine. It shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution for unlawful possession of a large-capacity magazine under this section that either the large-capacity magazine or the firearm was not readily operable.
(6) “Public place” has the meaning set forth in 11 Del.C. § 1460(b)(3); provided, however, that any shooting range, as such term is defined in subparagraph (8) herein, shall not be considered a public place.
(7) “Qualified retired law-enforcement officer” has the meaning set forth in 11 Del.C. § 1441A(a)(5).
(8) “Qualified retired law-enforcement officer” has the meaning set forth in 11 Del.C. § 1441A(a)(6).
(9) “Shooting range” means any land or structure used and operated in accordance with all applicable laws and ordinances for the shooting of targets for training, education, practice, recreation, or competition.
(10) “Short-term rental” means the rental of a large-capacity magazine by a shooting range to a customer for use upon the premises of the shooting range in accordance with all applicable laws and ordinances, for a duration of no more than 8 hours.
(c) This section does not apply to the purchase, receipt or possession of a large-capacity magazine by:
(1) any member of the armed forces of the United States or member of the National Guard, provided such person is acting within the scope of his or her official duties;
(2) any qualified active duty law-enforcement officer or qualified retired law-enforcement officer; or
(3) any employee or authorized representative of a shooting range in connection with the short-term rental of large-capacity magazines.
(d) This section does not apply to any licensed firearms dealer that is:
(1) repairing or servicing a large-capacity magazine for any person authorized by law to possess same;
(2) altering a large-capacity magazine so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds; or
(3) selling a large-capacity magazine to another licensed dealer or to any other person exempted under paragraph (c) of this section.
(e) This section does not apply to any manufacturer that is:
(1) repairing or servicing a large-capacity magazine for any person authorized by law to possess same;
(2) altering a large-capacity magazine so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds; or
(3) manufacturing a large-capacity magazine for export or for sale to government agencies or the military pursuant to applicable state and federal laws and regulations.
(f) Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a class G felony for any subsequent offense. The Superior Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction over all violations of this section.
Section 2. If any provision of this Act or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of the Act which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application; and, to that end, the provisions of this Act are declared to be severable.
Section 3. This Act shall have an effective date of July 1, 2013.
SYNOPSIS
This bill would prohibit the manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer or delivery of large-capacity magazines, which are defined as ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. Acknowledging that thousands of law-abiding Delawareans currently possess large-capacity magazines lawfully, the bill would make such possession unlawful only if it occurs in a public place while in possession of a firearm capable of accepting it. Possession of a large-capacity magazine would not be unlawful in areas that are not public places, and an exception exists to allow the possession and use of large-capacity magazines at shooting ranges. Persons who violate this Act would be guilty of a class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a class G felony for any subsequent offense.
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So, before anyone asks, this bill does not "grandfather" mags or devices the hold more than 10 rounds, even if no 10 round mags are available for your gun.
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Why should I be LIMITED to a certain number of rounds in my rifle, handgun or shotgun to defend my SELF, my FAMILY, my HOME and my PROPERTY?
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Kent,
There is not "why?" answer to this bill. It is what it is. I suggest you go to the hearing an pose that question to the Judiciary Committee.
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Why should I be LIMITED to a certain number of rounds in my rifle, handgun or shotgun to defend my SELF, my FAMILY, my HOME and my PROPERTY?
Sorry kent: You just don't have that defective gene that allows you to "understand" the emotional reasoning behind the effort.
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I find it puzzeling that I can use a "large capacity magazine" at the range, but I can not take it there. The logic of this law escapes me, perhaps one of the sponsors of the bill can enlighten me. I hope I do not laugh out loud when they try to answer that question.
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Why should I be LIMITED to a certain number of rounds in my rifle, handgun or shotgun to defend my SELF, my FAMILY, my HOME and my PROPERTY?
Sorry kent: You just don't have that defective gene that allows you to "understand" the emotional reasoning behind the effort.
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It seems some in the House and Senate have that defective gene because many "Can't Understand Normal Thinking":)
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I find it puzzeling that I can use a "large capacity magazine" at the range, but I can not take it there. The logic of this law escapes me, perhaps one of the sponsors of the bill can enlighten me. I hope I do not laugh out loud when they try to answer that question.
The only reason you find it puzzeling is you are not a politician. When you become one, in most cases, you loose your common sense.
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Where did you read that?
So, before anyone asks, this bill does not "grandfather" mags or devices the hold more than 10 rounds, even if no 10 round mags are available for your gun.
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Are cell phones allowed in Legislative Hall? I don't want to park 2 miles away and have to return to vehicle.
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Cell phones allowed on the tour, but not the chambers when in session.
Visitors should turn off or disable phones during the tour.
http://www.state.de.us/research/Tour/faqs.shtml
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Where did you read that?
So, before anyone asks, this bill does not "grandfather" mags or devices the hold more than 10 rounds, even if no 10 round mags are available for your gun.
So if it does not granfather mags does not mean our property will be taken, or that we can't enjoy it without "just compensation"?
Not that I support gun control, but you would think common courtesy would exempt someone with a ccdw and say a berretta px storm 9mm 17 round mag from this crap. This makes me wonder if they might be trying to go the way of say Jersey or Maryland with ccdw.
I would think not because people who already have them would probably file suit if they were denied a renewel with no reason similar to the challenge case to Maryland's may issue law.
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What "just compensation" ? if you have a gun that holds more than 10 rounds, and there is no 10 round mag available and no one starts producing them, you are just SOL, but there will be no "just compensation."
Best bet is to check the WWW. for even after markets. There will be a demand and someone will supply. Most US manufacturers have their mags made in another country anyhow. Check the stamping on you mag and see. The gun may be made in US, but the mag could be from anywhere. My Ruger was made in Arizona, but the 2/17 rounders that came with it were made in Italy. I bought 2 /10 rounders from a company in Massechusetts and they were also Rugers from Italy.
I have never read in any proposed law, state or Federal, that anybody will be compensated for anything.
Has anybody else?
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Is anyone famliar with the C&R list that may contain pistols or rifles that have clip capacity greater than 10 rounds?
Also, in CMP competition we used M1A national match with 20 round clips as the only clip size I can remember. Has anything changed in CMP competition with M1A's to have 10 round magazines?
Also, my recollection is that a number of lever action Winchesters and Marlin's with full length magazine's in the pistol cartridges had capacities greater than 10 rounds... is my memory correct? I would think that the Cowboy action rifles in 38 SPL (and others) would be in violation... no?
Ken
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Why would retired law enforcement need
High capacity magazines? They are no better
Than the average ccw carrier.
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Just received this....
Friends for Jeff Spiegelman,
We really scored a victory on Wednesday. The background check bill was supposed to be the least controversial part of the anti-gun package. But the bill has holes that were exposed in committee thanks to the diligence of people just like you. Darn fine work. It shows what can happen when the public is willing to stand up to a bad law. The discussion is not over, and the bill will be back in committee next week, but you all should feel proud of what you have accomplished so far.
On to the magazine bill- Below are a list of concerns that I do not believe are answered in the bill or in other parts of Delaware law. Please feel free to share this with whomever you like. Thanks to our victory last Wednesday I have no idea when this bill will come up in committee, but I will keep you informed.
Concerns with the Magazine Ban bill (in no particular order);
1. The law says nothing about transportation. So what is to stop a person who means to do harm from simply buying a magazine in PA or VA? If the answer is nothing, then is this law just an inconvenience and does not actually do what it is intended to do?
2. What is the purpose of making .22 caliber magazines illegal?
3. Is a private area typically used for a range, but not necessarily considered a shooting range, excluded?
4. Why are military and police excluded?
5. If I have a magazine with me at a gun range, and I purchase a firearm, will I have to make two separate trips in order to get the firearm and the magazine home?
6. What if I am on my way to a gun store, but not a shooting range, in order to sell the firearm. Will I have to make two trips in order to get both the firearm and the magazine to the store?
7. If I borrow a firearm from a family member, will I have to make two trips in order to get the firearm and magazine back to my house but not necessarily to a shooting range?
8. If a person has intent to do murder with a firearm that accepts a high capacity magazine, is it realistic to expect that person to follow this law?
9. If I am in a public place and I have the magazines, and a friend or relative has the firearm, will that be a crime?
10. The use of the term "possession" to mean dominion and authority. This makes regular capacity magazines the same as drugs.... For example, if my roommate has a firearm with magazines in his car. I'm not totally aware of whether they are high capacity or not. They are in my general vicinity/in the car. Am I guilty of illegal possession under the statute?
11. What is the definition of "stored in a manner to prevent its immediate use"? How will this be enforced if I have the magazine and firearm in the same place?
12. It has been proven that most home invasion situations happen by multiple people. It says in the Delaware Constitution that I have the right to protect my self, home, and family. By not allowing a law abiding gun owner to purchase a magazine capable of exercising this right, is it constitutional? In other words, is it a violation to deprive a person of a reasonable ability to practice what rights they have?
13. Police use high capacity magazines because they may have to fight multiple assailants. Home owners in Delaware often face the same threat. Should they not have the same fighting chance?
14. There are tubular magazines that hold more than 10 rounds that are not 22. Will this law ban those firearms?
15. How many crimes in Delaware will this law prevent compared to how many legal activities?
16. The law appears to say that a magazine can be repaired. Can it be sent back to the factory? If found defective (many have long warranties) can the factory ship out a new one?
17. 10 round magazines can be easily converted to hold more rounds than would be legal. How would this law prevent that? How would the law know if this has occurred?
18. This law would prevent private sales of magazines. How would that be enforced? How would the law know if a magazine was purchased through a private sale if the magazines themselves do not have serial numbers?
19. Will citizens still be able to exercise their 4th and 5th Amendment rights if questioned by police when stopped with high capacity magazines in their vehicle? Will high capacity magazines constitute probable cause for searching a person or their property?
20. Many firearms that would be covered by this bill fall under the Curio and Relic category. In other words, they are primarily collectors' guns and therefore do not have magazines made for them that would be in compliance with this law. Will outlawing the collecting of these firearms by default really make the state a safer place?
21. There are events and sports that use firearms with magazines that need to be more than 10 rounds. Will outlawing these events by default really make the state a safer place?
That is all for now. This is a GREAT list of questions. I will be sending it to my leadership in the house as well as to the different organizations around the state that are fighting to protect your 2nd Amendment rights.
Thank you,
Jeff Spiegelman
Representative 11th District
Dover: 302-744-4171
Wilmington: 302-577-8723
Cell: 302-399-7728
Fax: 302-739-2773
Constituent: jeff.spiegelman@state.de.us
Personal: jeff@jeffderepresentative.com
Legislative Hall: PO Box 1401. Dover, DE 19903
Personal: PO Box 869. Clayton, DE. 19938
www.jeffspiegelman.com
www.jeffderepresentative.com
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What "just compensation" ? if you have a gun that holds more than 10 rounds, and there is no 10 round mag available and no one starts producing them, you are just SOL, but there will be no "just compensation."
Best bet is to check the WWW. for even after markets. There will be a demand and someone will supply. Most US manufacturers have their mags made in another country anyhow. Check the stamping on you mag and see. The gun may be made in US, but the mag could be from anywhere. My Ruger was made in Arizona, but the 2/17 rounders that came with it were made in Italy. I bought 2 /10 rounders from a company in Massechusetts and they were also Rugers from Italy.
I have never read in any proposed law, state or Federal, that anybody will be compensated for anything.
Has anybody else?
English commone law, The principle of most of our laws, bascially states that you are compensated for loss of your property. This is the basis for the government "having to" pay for property taken for public use. The reality is that it does not happen and wont happen here. I am saying that in addition to thinking it goes against the fabric of America "life, liberty and property" and also goes against the constitution. There have been example in our nations history of proprety that has been taken and not paid for.
I just hope and dont think this will be the case.
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Radnor: Thank you!
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Haven't you all figured out yet what this is all about??? None of this has anything to do with criminals or criminal activity, it has to do with disarming the general public. It worked well in other countries, and it is beginning to make inroads here. Just give us some "sensible gun laws" and we will protect everyone, yeah right. We(Delaware) used to be one blue county and two red counties. Well, Kent went blue this time so now is the right time to take away the guns. They have both houses and the governor, so what's to stop them. We are all that stand between freedom and ????. But it has to be peaceful, like it was in Dover, NO MOBS!!!!, just lots of people.
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JustBill: you are so right; it is about taking away all firearms from the general public, just like Hitler and others did.
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JustBill: you are so right; it is about taking away all firearms from the general public, just like Hitler and others did.
I agree. What I dont get is why some people get so offended in this debate when you mention the name Hitler as its a face he disarmed people.
Its also a fact when we deal will people like Miller's helping the gun grabbers that there were Jews who voluntarily ( not many) worked for the nazi's thinking it would curry favor. There are sell outs in every group and gun owners should not be suprised to have sellouts amongst us.
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HB 58, Magazine Ban introduced today.
http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis147.nsf/vwLegislation/HB+58/$file/legis.html?open
Although it does answer the question posed about altering a "high capacity" mag to only hold 10 rounds, it say "permanently altered", which means it could not be changed back,, right?
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How come I don't see any exemptions for law enforcement agencies to purchase, receipt or posses. So IF the bill is passed, law enforcement agencies would be prohibited from purchasing high capacity magazines, leaving it up to the individual officers to by their own magazines, if they so desired?
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How come I don't see any exemptions for law enforcement agencies to purchase, receipt or posses. So IF the bill is passed, law enforcement agencies would be prohibited from purchasing high capacity magazines, leaving it up to the individual officers to by their own magazines, if they so desired?
I would hope since "equality" is so important to most supporting the mag ban that they would not want police treated different than the rest of us. Just like wanting to let off duty cops carry hi cap mags. I would hope those liberals are not saying one person's life is worth more than another?
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Here are a few points that I think to be worth making at the hearings & in the course of e-mail & letter writing:
• The bill acknowledges that there is a legitimate purpose for large capacity magazines but then seeks to ban them. This simply does not make sense.
• Large capacity magazines in the hands of law abiding citizens are of absolutely no threat to public safety, yet this bill seeks to criminalize their possession.
• The bill targets law abiding citizens only. No mention is made of the use of large capacity magazines by criminals.
• The definition of “large capacity” is entirely arbitrary. There is no proof whatsoever that those magazines above a given capacity pose any more risk to the public than others.
• The bill will impose a de facto ban on the sale & possession of many firearms that are built to include a magazine with over 10 rounds as standard equipment. The majority of defensive handguns have magazines that hold over 10 rounds and therefore would be banned.
• Given that criminals will not abide by this restriction, law abiding citizens are being placed at grave risk.
• The ban of just about anything in Delaware is totally worthless. Criminals only need to drive into Pennsylvania to buy their magazines.
If passed, I give it no more than a week until "Mags r us" opens up next to one of the fireworks shops that are at the I-95 exits just north of the state line.
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This compares to limiting the size of a gas tank in a car to keep you from speeding. These people are like horses with blinders on, they are completely irrational.
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Remember, it seems they dropped to 3 bills in the news for a while. Yesterday, in someones news article, they evil black rifles were mentioned as bill #5.
So, one last rush for Delaware soon?
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I know this is not popular, but as someone who has had two shoot outs right outside my door I think I more than have the right.
Before they worry about the size of my mag maybe they should look at the culture of poverty encouraged by one party in our state and country. This can be tracked as how many kids grow up ( often without a father in the home) and bascially have no morals instead and think the world owes them something. These kids grow up banging and then often grow up and commit crimes more often than not.
Maybe norplant would be a good idea to keep checks coming. Maybe sticking to the welfare to work plans could help stop some of this. The problem is when you talk about common sense things that can cut back on the violence it often gets met with cries of racism and discrimination especially when one party seeks to keep a solid voting block that will only stay a solid voting block if they are kept in poverty.
I guarantee if we had a gov with some guts who said something like ,,,,OK you are having a rought time. That is ok. You are on the public dough and that is what it is there for. Ok you got pregnant while on public dough, which is really bordering on stealing from the taxpayer, but we are going to give you a chance. You can keep your check but will have to get norplant. There is no reason you should be breeding them if you cant feed them.
There I said it. I know I am not the only one that thinks it, but until issues like the generational poverty and lack of morals that have been eroding since the 70s and 80s we are not going to do well. They can ban guns if they want and all that happens is decent people are sitting ducks for criminals.
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This compares to limiting the size of a gas tank in a car to keep you from speeding. These people are like horses with blinders on, they are completely irrational.
I know this is not popular, but as someone who has had two shoot outs right outside my door I think I more than have the right.
Before they worry about the size of my mag maybe they should look at the culture of poverty encouraged by one party in our state and country. This can be tracked as how many kids grow up ( often without a father in the home) and bascially have no morals instead and think the world owes them something. These kids grow up banging and then often grow up and commit crimes more often than not.
Maybe norplant would be a good idea to keep checks coming. Maybe sticking to the welfare to work plans could help stop some of this. The problem is when you talk about common sense things that can cut back on the violence it often gets met with cries of racism and discrimination especially when one party seeks to keep a solid voting block that will only stay a solid voting block if they are kept in poverty.
I guarantee if we had a gov with some guts who said something like ,,,,OK you are having a rought time. That is ok. You are on the public dough and that is what it is there for. Ok you got pregnant while on public dough, which is really bordering on stealing from the taxpayer, but we are going to give you a chance. You can keep your check but will have to get norplant. There is no reason you should be breeding them if you cant feed them.
There I said it. I know I am not the only one that thinks it, but until issues like the generational poverty and lack of morals that have been eroding since the 70s and 80s we are not going to do well. They can ban guns if they want and all that happens is decent people are sitting ducks for criminals.
Knotacare: Perfect example.
Silverbullet: Well said.
I hope we all survive until the next election.
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Don't wait until the next election.
Write, e-mail or fax ALL of the DE reps & senators TODAY.
Some of them are looking at future political aspirations statewide, they need to know that they won't get very far without our support.
CALL you rep & senator TODAY, leave a message & then call back tomorrow.
Check in with them EVERY DAY to make sure that they know that they are being watched.
If they are on our side, thank them & offer to volunteer to help in the next election.
Make sure that they know that you will spread the word & support them.
If you don't know who represents you, you can find out at this state web site:
http://legis.delaware.gov/legislature.nsf/Lookup/Know_Your_Legislators?open&nav=leginfo
SHOW UP AT THE COMMITTEE HEARINGS IN DOVER THIS WEEK.
Testify (don't be intimidated, it you right to do so). Just tell them why the bill in question will hurt you personally & why it doesn't make sense.
It looks very bad for them if they don't let everyone testify.
There are nearly 224,000 gun owners in Delaware (about 25.5% of the population). This is more than enough to influence any
election in this state. Call EVERY gun owner that you know & tell them to get off their buts.
Most importantly:
If your not already, REGISTER TO VOTE.
This is a small state, take advantage of the legal process
**TELL ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS TO DO THIS**
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How come I don't see any exemptions for law enforcement agencies to purchase, receipt or posses. So IF the bill is passed, law enforcement agencies would be prohibited from purchasing high capacity magazines, leaving it up to the individual officers to by their own magazines, if they so desired?
Read it again my friend..
(c) This section does not apply to the purchase, receipt or possession of a large-capacity magazine by:
(1) any member of the armed forces of the United States or member of the National Guard, provided such person is acting within the scope of his or her official duties;
(2) any qualified active duty law-enforcement officer or qualified retired law-enforcement officer; or
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Yes, it exempts the officers, not the police department that purchases the magazines for the officers
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I just received an Action Alert from the DSSA and they have the date for the House Agenda on HB 35 as being Thursday March 26th. This is incorrect... March 26th is on a Tuesday. Anyone have an email address OR able to contact them about the correction?
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Was this an orange card? If it was, that is from the NRA. On phone w/ DSSA board member now.
Guy I spoke to is currently in car in Balto. Said he'd look into it when he gets home.
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Was this an orange card? If it was, that is from the NRA. On phone w/ DSSA board member now.
Guy I spoke to is currently in car in Balto. Said he'd look into it when he gets home.
No. An email Action Alert from the Delaware State Sportsmen's Association. I sent them an email about the incorrect date. I hope to go to Leg. Hall which ever day it is.
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That was fast! DSSA has made the correction... hearing for HB 62 is Wed. March 27th at 2:30pm.
HB 35 is on the House Agenda for Thursday March 28th at 2:00pm.
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Get on this guys email list for firearms related laws. Lots of good info and a good guy!
Friends for Jeff Spiegelman,
Maybe I should have waited before sending out the earlier email. I have some updates.
HB35 (Background Checks) will be heard on the house floor on Thursday March 28h.
Attached you will see the School Zone Law. This makes it a felony to posses a firearm in a school zone unless under certain circumstances. Please read before you make assumptions. I do want to hear from you. Let's see those emails.
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Jeff Spiegelman
Representative 11th District
Dover: 302-744-4171
Wilmington: 302-577-8723
Cell: 302-399-7728
Fax: 302-739-2773
Constituent: jeff.spiegelman@state.de.us
Personal: jeff@jeffderepresentative.com
Legislative Hall: PO Box 1401. Dover, DE 19903
Personal: PO Box 869. Clayton, DE. 19938
www.jeffspiegelman.com
www.jeffderepresentative.com
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Get on this guys email list for firearms related laws. Lots of good info and a good guy!
Friends for Jeff Spiegelman,
Maybe I should have waited before sending out the earlier email. I have some updates.
HB35 (Background Checks) will be heard on the house floor on Thursday March 28h.
Attached you will see the School Zone Law. This makes it a felony to posses a firearm in a school zone unless under certain circumstances. Please read before you make assumptions. I do want to hear from you. Let's see those emails.
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Jeff Spiegelman
Representative 11th District
Dover: 302-744-4171
Wilmington: 302-577-8723
Cell: 302-399-7728
Fax: 302-739-2773
Constituent: jeff.spiegelman@state.de.us
Personal: jeff@jeffderepresentative.com
Legislative Hall: PO Box 1401. Dover, DE 19903
Personal: PO Box 869. Clayton, DE. 19938
www.jeffspiegelman.com
www.jeffderepresentative.com
He is a @@@@ good man. He needs to run for Govroner.
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@groundgrid: "There are nearly 224,000 gun owners in Delaware (about 25.5% of the population)."
Where did you get this information? I don't know how anyone can know as we don't register our firearms and I brought mine into Delaware when I moved here so there isn't any way they could be counted.
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Get vocal with your senators and representatives. I just received this from my rep when I asked why he voted for HB 35:
"It's very simple - I received more phone calls, emails and conversations with constituents in favor of HB 35 than opposed. Before I sent this email to you I went back and checked the numbers I had along with the numbers my aide gave to me and it was about 3 to 1 in favor. It is my job to represent the constituents of the [snipped] district and that's what I did!!!"
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Get vocal with your senators and representatives. I just received this from my rep when I asked why he voted for HB 35:
"It's very simple - I received more phone calls, emails and conversations with constituents in favor of HB 35 than opposed. Before I sent this email to you I went back and checked the numbers I had along with the numbers my aide gave to me and it was about 3 to 1 in favor. It is my job to represent the constituents of the [snipped] district and that's what I did!!!"
Actually I thought their job was to abide by the Constitution of the state of Delaware and the USA.
Also I wonder how many of those 3 to 1 actually own guns.
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Having been at both committee hearings on this bill, where the majority of speakers opposed this bill, I really doubt his numbers.
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My reps numbers are probably based on who contacted him not the number of opposing voices at the state house. Before the vote, I had only asked a question by phone and had received no answer but didn't send an email prior to the vote. As part of the email exchange quoted above, I presented my arguments why HB 35 and SB 37 were ineffective, and asked him to consider the cogency of the assertions not just the number of voices. He and my DE senator will continue to hear from me.