Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => New CCW Permit Holders => Topic started by: ThePixelated on September 18, 2014, 01:40:04 AM
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I know that one can carry a blade of three inches or less concealed in Delaware... With a CCW permit, can one conceal carry a knife longer than three inches? I have a friend that says one can and I stumbed onto a website (don't remember the URL) that said one could, but only that one site.
Anyone?
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A Delaware License to Carry a Concealed Deadly Weapon is just that. You may carry any deadly weapon that is legal to possess. Certainly this includes a knife.
Weapons that are prima facie illegal such as switchblades may not be carried.
A big Bowie knife would be illegal to carry concealed unless you have a license.
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I believe LEOs and first responders are permitted to carry automatic knives though the rest of us are not... Unfortunately.
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I think the exception to that is a switchblade. They are illegal in Delaware.
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I think the exception to that is a switchblade. They are illegal in Delaware.
That I know what types of knives are illegal in DE. I was asking about going over the 3 inch limit (folding knife) on concealed carry with a CCW permit.
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You may carry over the 3" limit concealed with a CDW license. Of course you may open carry without a licence any legal knife just as you can a gun ( except Dover for the gun).
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It's funny there is little info on what weapons you can legally only if you have a CCDW permit. Here is what we discussed at the firearms safety training class I was required to take for my permit:
Knuckle guard knives and throwing stars are illegal.
Pepper spray is illegal in NCC.
An ASP (or expandable baton) or sap is legal with a CCDW.
We didnt go into much detail other than that.
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It's funny there is little info on what weapons you can legally only if you have a CCDW permit. Here is what we discussed at the firearms safety training class I was required to take for my permit:
Knuckle guard knives and throwing stars are illegal.
Pepper spray is illegal in NCC.
An ASP (or expandable baton) or sap is legal with a CCDW.
We didnt go into much detail other than that.
Pepper spray illegal in NCC? That is something I never heard. Also I am not a lawyer, but I do not believe that having a CCW license allows you to own anything that otherwise would be illegal. The license is just for concealed carry.
State law on "concealed dangerous instruments" specifically exempts pepper spray.
Delaware code 1443:
(a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed dangerous instrument when the person carries concealed a dangerous instrument upon or about the person.
(b) It shall be a defense that the defendant was carrying the concealed dangerous instrument for a specific lawful purpose and that the defendant had no intention of causing any physical injury or threatening the same.
(c) For the purposes of this section, disabling chemical spray, as defined in § 222 of this title, shall not be considered to be a dangerous instrument.
(d) Carrying a concealed dangerous instrument is a class A misdemeanor.
11 Del. C. 1953, § 1443; 58 Del. Laws, c. 497, § 1; 59 Del. Laws, c. 547, § 14; 67 Del. Laws, c. 130, § 8; 70 Del. Laws, c. 186, § 1; 71 Del. Laws, c. 374, § 6.;
Also. Don't believe everything you hear in these classes. A lot of urban legends.
One instructor tell his students that open carry is illegal once you get a CCW. Another tells students that you must inform policemen if you are carrying
Neither of these are law in Delaware.
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Dug through the title 11 code (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c002/index.shtml) and found this:
(5) "Deadly weapon" includes a "firearm", as defined in paragraph (12) of this section, a bomb, a knife of any sort (other than an ordinary pocketknife carried in a closed position), switchblade knife, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles, slingshot, razor, bicycle chain or ice pick or any "dangerous instrument", as defined in paragraph (4) of this section, which is used, or attempted to be used, to cause death or serious physical injury. For the purpose of this definition, an ordinary pocketknife shall be a folding knife having a blade not more than 3 inches in length.
Section 222- items 4, 5 6 and 12 seem to clarify things a bit.
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You may carry over the 3" limit concealed with a CDW license. Of course you may open carry without a licence any legal knife just as you can a gun ( except Dover for the gun).
Thanks.
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Anyone interested in knives or self-defense should know about (and become a member of) Knife Rights -- they're the NRA for knife rights.
www.KnifeRights.org
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It's illegal to carry a stun gun in NCC. Maybe that's what Lynch actually meant?
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Nope.. Pepper spray is illegal to own in NCC. Its a county law and has been enforced a few times that I know of though obviously not much due to the fact one can purchase it just about anywhere.
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If you'll notice the statute 1443 quoted says nothing about guns. That is why Delaware has the DECCW permit. Delaware Concealed Carry Weapons permit. Good for guns, knives (except switchblades) machete, swords, hunting knives and lock blades. If also does not limit how many you can carry.
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It's illegal to carry a stun gun in NCC. Maybe that's what Lynch actually meant?
I wasn't mistaken; during the classroom part of my firearm safety course. the instructor showed us a PowerPoint slide-show that listed what the state considered deadly weapons and illegal weapons. Pepper spray and stun devices were mentioned as illegal only in NCC. He had a few of both for sale at the time. ;)
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I always thought the switchblade law was brilliant. Really? I have a right to a gun but it's illegal to possess a switchblade. They are way to dangerous.
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SteveMiller I agree although remember its automatic knives.. of which includes switchblades. I used to have an out the front automatic knife as a daily knife and I so wish I still could. They are much safer then any folder for daily use since they are single hand operated. I couldn't believe it a couple years ago when Maryland dropped their state ban on automatic knives. Wish it would happen here as I'd be ordering another ASAP.
Edit.. Or at least provision those of us with CCDW permits to own them at least.
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I am in the market for a new spring assist knife. I am liking one that has a 3 and 3/8" blade. I would carry it in my pocket with the clip exposed on the outside. Given that I have a CCW Permit, I am ok in Delaware but my work takes me to PA and NJ and occasionally MD.
I am not familiar with the laws in those states but I wonder if my method of carry is considered to be concealed (since the clip is exposed) and / or if it is worth worrying about.
Any advise?
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There appears some argument concerning spring assist and automatic knives. I own a spring assist and, on the surface, appears to act just like an automatic. Cut myself seven times already. I have heard that regional LE may treat them differently.
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Always bring a gun to a knife fight.
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Good advise! But not always prudent to open a box with a gun, especially in the office! :D
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I've carried one of these for years.. The Kershaw Leek Knife . Touched up on a semi regular basis they are razor sharp. They fit in the pocket easily and comfortably. I removed the small safety and have never had it accidentally open on me. I've had the spring break once (last year) and simply filled out a form on their website and they shipped out a replacement the next day free of charge which was easy to replace. I carry one where ever I go including up into Canada. I've never had any issues.
Well.. except for the day I went to the Trump Rally and was in line for the security check and realized I still had it! I turned and started walking out to take it back to the truck and SS stopped me! ;D They had seen my family and I as my 5yo was talking to one of them a few minutes prior.. I got a ride to my truck and back in one of the carts they were driving around in that day. It was an interesting experience and the SS guys were surprisingly nice and easy to talk to.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009VC9Y0
also this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004DS1XF6
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Funny, Adrenolin, I just ordered one of the LEEKs about an hour ago after much, much research..
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Well built knife at a very nice price point. I use mine daily and always have one on me. You'll like it for sure.
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+1 on the Leek. Also the Kershaw Blur. They are sharp! But if mine ever go back for service
I will include a note DO NOT sharpen!
Mine are sharpened at a 21 degree angle on an Edge Pro. Mine with little to no pressure will shave!
The stones for the EP in grit I have for the EP are 220, 400, 800, 1K, 3K, 5K, 10k then onto leather.
Once you hit 1K and up the cutting surface of the blade looks like a mirror.
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+1 on the Leek. Also the Kershaw Blur. They are sharp! But if mine ever go back for service
I will include a note DO NOT sharpen!
Mine are sharpened at a 21 degree angle on an Edge Pro. Mine with little to no pressure will shave!
The stones for the EP in grit I have for the EP are 220, 400, 800, 1K, 3K, 5K, 10k then onto leather.
Once you hit 1K and up the cutting surface of the blade looks like a mirror.
I really want to add a LIKE to this post ;D
Anyone looking for a very well built utility purposed fixed blade should look at the Ontario Black Bird SK-5 knife. I've abused mine for several years now and simply love the knife. Just bought a new one and gave it to my best friend in Canada last week while visiting and out camping.
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I hear people say you have to have this knife or that knife, it is the latest and greatest. Actually if you have a good (Schrader)knife, even from your local hardware store and you keep it sharp and have a C/C permit in DE. You're good to go. No need to spend big bucks to get a good knife.
I carry a good lock blade I bought from Walmart 20 years ago and you can shave with it.
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Not disputing that at all however for a multi-purpose fixed blade that can be abused if needed the knife mentioned is outstanding. A folding blade knife doesn't have the strength of a fixed blade and there are many times when a good solid fixed blade knife is useful. Was just suggesting is all.