Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => No Carry Locations => Topic started by: F16WarBird on July 31, 2011, 10:22:34 PM
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I know it's epically brilliant to drink in a bar while CCW. Is it a violation to CCW while shopping at a liquor store in DE?
Thanks!
P.S. And yes, I know you shouldn't drink ANYWHERE while CCW. ;)
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IANAL, YMMV, AMWPBL, ONViAoH* but:
To the best of my knowledge, neither bars nor liquor stores are off-limits while carrying legally in Delaware.
*(I Am Not A Lawyer. Your Mileage May Vary. Actual Mileage Will Probably Be Less. Offer Not Valid in Alaska or Hawaii). ;D
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IANAL, YMMV, AMWPBL, ONViAoH* but:
To the best of my knowledge, neither bars nor liquor stores are off-limits while carrying legally in Delaware.
*(I Am Not A Lawyer. Your Mileage May Vary. Actual Mileage Will Probably Be Less. Offer Not Valid in Alaska or Hawaii). ;D
Correct, even open carry is fine in a liquor store...
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Since I'm still deployed, I haven't completed my CCW training yet. There's places in Delaware that you don't have to conceal your weapon at all? ???
I'm such a n00b.
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You can open carry in DE.
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I'm guessing that open carry is more of a PITA than CCW. I mean, tooling around the neighborhood or working around the house with open carry doesn't seem to pose a problem. But I envision static from employees/management if one was to visit Home Depot or Burger King, et al.
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It's not a personal choice that I make to do, but there are many others who do. If you're up in NCC then it seems it's a bit more frequent to get hassled. Around Kent and Sussex it's a little less likely. Most businesses don't really pay much mind, and the worst they can do is ask you to leave. The truth of the matter is, a decently dressed man or woman with a holstered sidearm on their side really doesn't draw near as much attention as you would think. I know I've personally seen a couple of people in the past and not really paid much mind. If you want more info there is a forum for the OC crowd, www.deloc.org.
As for places it's allowed/not allowed, basically anywhere you can concealed carry, you can open carry as well. The exception being the City of Dover which requires a CCDW permit even to OC. There's also something about parks in NCC that may or may not hold ground, but I don't remember the specifics...
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You can open carry in DE.
EXCEPT Dover.
DELOC.ORG
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I never knew that you couldn't oc in Dover. I guess I never looked into it because I cc anyhow . Thanks for the info.
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Did many of you open carry while you waited for your CCW?
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Not me.
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I feel like there's a whole world out there I never knew about before. :-[
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Did many of you open carry while you waited for your CCW?
Nope, me either... The only times I have ever OCd are when I'm heading to the range and would throw my paddle holster on. Generally speaking I rarely if ever stopped anywhere on the way. After getting the CCDW, I just toss a shirt tail over it and I'm golden.. ;) Less weird looks that way... ;)
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Did many of you open carry while you waited for your CCW?
Never tried it.
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You can open carry in DE.
EXCEPT Dover.
DELOC.ORG
I do believe Dover requires a permit for OC or CC.
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OC try it you may like it. best to have a good retention holster so the person in line behind you can't snatch your piece. if you have a gun that you can't get a retention holster for,(like one of the subcompact .380's) a soft nylon one with a belt clip works well when placed in the front towards one side (like the area between your zipper and your pocket). if you oc in dover or philadelphia you must have a cc permit. when you oc you tend to take yourself out of the running as the bad guy's next target of opertunity ;D
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I'm terrified of OC'ing. I feel like people will stare at me and the cops will surely arrive to see what the little brown guy is doing with a Glock on his hip...
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I'm terrified of OC'ing. I feel like people will stare at me and the cops will surely arrive to see what the little brown guy is doing with a Glock on his hip...
If you really want to OC there's a solution to this... Attach it to the side of your head (around the ear area) by wrapping several layers of duct tape around your head and the holster. This offers several advantages...
First, you won't have a "Gun on your hip", so most people might not even notice you're carrying a weapon...
Second, it's much closer to your line of sight, so if you do have to engage it's much quicker to get a sight picture.
Third, Most people won't screw with someone crazier than they are, and there aren't many who would assume you less crazy than themselves walking around with a gun strapped to your head.
If you wanted, you could dual wield and put one on either side of your head... The advantage to this setup is that if you position them correctly, they'll not only be in the perfect position for reaching up and doing a cross-draw, but they'll also look like a standard set of blinders... People will just assume you're a horse, or one of those sexual deviants that like to pretend they're a horse...
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I'm terrified of OC'ing. I feel like people will stare at me and the cops will surely arrive to see what the little brown guy is doing with a Glock on his hip...
I OC frequently around Milford, including the local liquor store.
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You make a great point. I'm headed to Christiana Mall right now to give it a go. Feel free to show up with a video camera in order to see how it goes...
I'm terrified of OC'ing. I feel like people will stare at me and the cops will surely arrive to see what the little brown guy is doing with a Glock on his hip...
If you really want to OC there's a solution to this... Attach it to the side of your head (around the ear area) by wrapping several layers of duct tape around your head and the holster. This offers several advantages...
First, you won't have a "Gun on your hip", so most people might not even notice you're carrying a weapon...
Second, it's much closer to your line of sight, so if you do have to engage it's much quicker to get a sight picture.
Third, Most people won't screw with someone crazier than they are, and there aren't many who would assume you less crazy than themselves walking around with a gun strapped to your head.
If you wanted, you could dual wield and put one on either side of your head... The advantage to this setup is that if you position them correctly, they'll not only be in the perfect position for reaching up and doing a cross-draw, but they'll also look like a standard set of blinders... People will just assume you're a horse, or one of those sexual deviants that like to pretend they're a horse...
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Ellington,
Christiana Mall is a NO CARRY LOCATION! They have signs posted at some (not all) entrances.
Moosie
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I guess I do not see the point of open carry, except as a political statement. There are too many advantages of concealed carry - like surprising the bad guy and not unnecessarily alarming those who are afraid of guns. As a political statement, that is, asserting your right to bear arms, it has the high probability of back firing onto the "bearers", by alarming the unarmed.
A much more practical and worthy political goal, IMHO, would be to organize a fight to streamline the CCW process in Delaware. It is a disgrace and something a free people should not put up with.
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Ellington,
Christiana Mall is a NO CARRY LOCATION! They have signs posted at some (not all) entrances.
Moosie
IANAL, YMMV, but:
Christiana Mall has a "code of conduct" posted at their mall entrances (but not at external store entrances, like Macy's or Target).
Patrons are asked not to carry firearms. This does not have force of law, but you would probably be asked to leave if anyone reported a "man with a gun" to mall security.
My take: We feel free to carry concealed in the mall. If asked to leave, we would.
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i tried the duct tape and gun on the head thing but found it to be to loud when fired
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and regarding the mall/ protect your self first and worry about their brilliant P.C.rule later. the signs do not carry the weight of law. butt if axed to leave do so
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I carry everywhere except at places forbidden BY LAW. Since there is no law saying you cannot carry at the Christiana mall I will carry there until asked to leave. Since I always carry concealed chances are it will never happen.
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Ellington,
Christiana Mall is a NO CARRY LOCATION! They have signs posted at some (not all) entrances.
Moosie
IANAL, YMMV, but:
Christiana Mall has a "code of conduct" posted at their mall entrances (but not at external store entrances, like Macy's or Target).
Patrons are asked not to carry firearms. This does not have force of law, but you would probably be asked to leave if anyone reported a "man with a gun" to mall security.
My take: We feel free to carry concealed in the mall. If asked to leave, we would.
I didnt say that I would or wouldn't carry concealed there at the mall (where I feel youre practicaly taking your life in your hands when you go)... but open carrying at the mall will end your trip quickly. I for one do not want to find out what (if any) force of the law their signs carry.
Moosie
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I guess I do not see the point of open carry, except as a political statement. There are too many advantages of concealed carry - like surprising the bad guy and not unnecessarily alarming those who are afraid of guns. As a political statement, that is, asserting your right to bear arms, it has the high probability of back firing onto the "bearers", by alarming the unarmed.
A much more practical and worthy political goal, IMHO, would be to organize a fight to streamline the CCW process in Delaware. It is a disgrace and something a free people should not put up with.
I personally choose to CC as well, and really never OC. I suppose you could say I DO OC on occasion since often when headed to the range I will not cover up, but generally if I ever stop anywhere on the way it's simply to pay at the pump and get gas.
I personally agree with your assessment of the tactical advantages of staying concealed...
On the other hand... The OC crowd do have some good arguments of their own. First and foremost is that they are much less likely to encounter an incident requiring them to use their weapon (and thus the need for the tactical advantage of being unknown) if they make themselves known. Their argument is that most would be BGs will not make their move on someone who they KNOW are armed. Frankly, it's a good point. Us "gun guys and gals" often defend the CC laws by stating that criminals are less likely to act when they know that the population may be carrying weapons. That it doesn't result in bloodbaths in the street, but rather lowered crime rates. So it goes to stand that same argument would stand if they KNEW a person was armed.
For me personally, I think the advantage or disadvantage all depends on what BG you happen to meet, and therefore chance. Some bad guys intent on robbing a store would immediately stand down and move on to another target if they saw a cop inside getting coffee... On the other hand, another BG just might get behind the cop and take him out first knowing he was the real threat. It can go either way all depending on the state of mind.
For that reason, I personally feel that CC offers the best choice for me. In the latter case above, I'm not a threat so I don't have that to worry about. On the other hand, while I may not "prevent" it from taking place to begin with, at least then it's MY CHOICE as to rather to act on it or not. The advantage is mine as well as the choice.
However, for all the reasons and more above, I don't believe one choice or another is the "right" choice for everyone.. I think it's up to the individual (as it should be) and ultimately it's what makes them feel the most safe.
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i tried the duct tape and gun on the head thing but found it to be to loud when fired
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I guess I do not see the point of open carry, except as a political statement. There are too many advantages of concealed carry - like surprising the bad guy and not unnecessarily alarming those who are afraid of guns. As a political statement, that is, asserting your right to bear arms, it has the high probability of back firing onto the "bearers", by alarming the unarmed.
A much more practical and worthy political goal, IMHO, would be to organize a fight to streamline the CCW process in Delaware. It is a disgrace and something a free people should not put up with.
How is not alarming hoplophobes an advantage?
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I guess I do not see the point of open carry, except as a political statement. There are too many advantages of concealed carry - like surprising the bad guy and not unnecessarily alarming those who are afraid of guns. As a political statement, that is, asserting your right to bear arms, it has the high probability of back firing onto the "bearers", by alarming the unarmed.
A much more practical and worthy political goal, IMHO, would be to organize a fight to streamline the CCW process in Delaware. It is a disgrace and something a free people should not put up with.
How is not alarming hoplophobes an advantage?
Hoplophobia is a powerful force among the unenlightened. Stimulating this force often results in brilliant and dangerous behavior (e.g., the "assault weapons" ban).
I agree that we should not need to bend over backwards to avoid frightening these backward folks... but carrying openly has been known to attract the wrong kind of attention.
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Of course, I am a pragmatist...if there was a way to research a place (county, state, country, ethnic group, etc.) where many adults OC in their society, and then we found that their crime rate was substantially below other more gun-restricted societies, then we would KNOW something. OC would certainly be simpler to manage on a daily basis than CC.
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I am surprised at all the negative rhetoric about open carry. I both open carry and concealed carry and I see advantages and disadvantages of both. There have been studies where criminals in jail have been interviewed and most say that if they see someone carrying a firearm they turn around and seek a perceived weaker target. Incidents of criminals specifically targeting open carriers have happened but they are rare. It is the same with what they call the "shoot me first" vests some CCW people wear. I cannot recall one case where that has happened. I can also see the advantages of wanting to be discreet with carrying a firearm.
I does not matter if someone open carries or carries concealed as long as they carry responsibly and lawfully. Who really cares what others think.