Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: Hawkeye on November 28, 2012, 04:37:58 PM
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If you listen to the anti-gun crowd you would think the so called "assault weapon," which is really nothing more then a magazine fed rifle that is black with a scary pistol grip, is a menace that must be reigned in.
No so fast says the FBI.
The FBI has released their 2007-2011 “Murder Victims by Weapon” report. The results are contradictory to anti-gun industry claims that relaxing the ban on assault weapons will cause more crime.
The report indicates you are more likely to be killed by hands or feet than by a rifle or shotgun.
That's right, hands and feet. Hurry and buy your Nike's and Isotoners before they are banned too!!
In 2011 there were 356 shotgun murders and 323 rifle murders for a total of 679 murders.
It is estimated that there is somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 millions gun owners in this country (legal owners). While any murder is tragic, the epidemic of "assault Weapon" violence just does not exist, it is a made-up phenomenon.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/27/fbi-crime-stats-you-are-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-hands-and-feet-than-by-a-shotgun-or-rifle/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/27/fbi-crime-stats-you-are-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-hands-and-feet-than-by-a-shotgun-or-rifle/)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8 (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8)
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So that's what they mean when people say their feet are killing them! :D
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I'm wondering what the "97 other guns" are, if not rifle, shotgun, handgun. Potato gun or what?
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The gun control crowd buried their teeth into the military style weapons and are shacking it like wolves. With every TV show and every movie proving that everyone has one and they are all fully automatic and LE is always out gunned and sometimes even cars explode when shot with one, why believe anything else. Good citizens just happening by are shot repeatedly and each shot knocks their body 10 feet and every van that is opened and every house raided prove yet again how much these evil elements have multiplied and corrupted all men.
If its not an AK or AR its a Glock. Every show!
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You can pretty much bank on an assault weapons ban as a federal law again...soon. Oh well perhaps they should be.
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You can pretty much bank on an assault weapons ban as a federal law again...soon. Oh well perhaps they should be.
Did you mean " Oh well perhaps "there" should be????
being new myself, I will let one of the older menbers comment!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is not one among us that is not heartbroken about the Sandy Hook School shooting. I think It’s OK to wish all evil will just go away. Maybe so-called assault weapons need to go away.
While we dream about the perfect world we must live in the real world. New laws won’t do a thing. Bans don’t work. A fix for Sandy Hook cannot be legislated.
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My predictions (as a liberal), based on my experience that Obama can't pass anything bigger than a kidney stone.
On AWB2:
1) DiFi will introduce an AWB, as promised, with several sponsors. In its original form, it will suck. There will not be a corresponding bill introduced in the House.
2) If it's not anonymously filibustered, AWB2 will be heavily watered down before it is passed and sent to the House.
3) Most of the bill will disintegrate in the House's version.
4) It will take months to move it through the House-Senate conference committee.
5) The final version will be filibustered again.
Since not a single provision in DiFi's bill will actually prevent crime, and banning anything in general possession right now will simply move it into the hands of criminals (at huge profits for the former owners), the death or dilution of this bill will not endanger children. Or anyone else.
Meanwhile, look forward to...
--BATFE opening up NICS to private sales, and forcing sales of more than maybe one gun per decade to go through a check with retroactive penalties.
--Lots of sneaky "Patriot" Act stuff, done in the background by executive order and the privately-run Total Information Awareness descendant programs through analysis of Internet sales, credit card records and other consumer tracking. If you're going to buy anything cool, buy it now, and don't be surprised when the government retroactively questions your purchase of 1000 rounds of ammo.
--Various states f***ing up their repressive gun laws even worse. Washington DC, NJ and Illinois will use it as an excuse to fight recent court decisions.
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This is a squared away perspective: http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/ (http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/)
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The FIRST AWB did NOT stop the sale of them.
They are just going after those evil looking things... The AWB of 1994-2004
did NOTHING!!!
We do NOT need any more gun laws, 20,000 is enough. Need to start looking
at mental health and other issues. Leave the guns alone.
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No Gun laws of any kind will ever deter a "Madman". I just went to the site PoliceOne... all I can say is "Yes, we are all in Denial"
Everyone should check out that thread. People who have gotten their CCDW'S are people who have decided that they do not want to
be a victim. Read Robert Boatman's book "Living with a Glock" Chapter 20 " Constitutional Right and Social Obligation to Carry A Gun"
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I do not think congress will pass such a ban. The ban will come by Executive Order. >:(
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and every bit of it will conflict with the 2A "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
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I do not think congress will pass such a ban. The ban will come by Executive Order. >:(
Bingo
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While they are banning the nasty assault rifle, they should ban drugs as well. That would make America a safer place. ???
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Drugs are already banned. See what good that does. Criminals don't obey drug laws, and they won't obey gun bans. It all goes back to that famous old saying, "When having guns is criminalized, only criminals will have guns". That's why "Famous Old Sayings" become famous and old. Because they are true.
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I’ve got it!
Pass legislation that sets the daily bag limit of children in school, or people at the mall, at zero! Crazed gun freaks will not even bother to go after schools or malls knowing that there is a zero daily bag limit!
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If I'm not mistaken assault rifles were banned in 1934 & the current rifles most of us have are not assault rifles but look a likes. An assault rife has selective firing & can fire in full auto mode. I know some states allow people to purchase them, but they are carefully followed & most likely watched.
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If I'm not mistaken assault rifles were banned in 1934 & the current rifles most of us have are not assault rifles but look a likes. An assault rife has selective firing & can fire in full auto mode. I know some states allow people to purchase them, but they are carefully followed & most likely watched.
Don't confuse assault "rifles" with assault "weapons." I do not necessarily like using Wikipedia as a reference but this is part of what they have to say about the previous Assault Weapons Ban:
Actually possessing the operational features, such as 'full-auto', is not required for classification as an assault weapon; merely the possession of cosmetic features is enough to warrant such classification as an assault weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban)
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While they are banning the nasty assault rifle, they should ban drugs as well. That would make America a safer place. ???
Where have you been? Drugs are banned except for pot in now two states. The War on Drugs has been one of the biggest waste of tax dollars and an even bigger waste of law enforcement resources in our nations history.
Legalization, control and taxation would virtually eliminate drug related crime.
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I’ve got it!
Pass legislation that sets the daily bag limit of children in school, or people at the mall, at zero! Crazed gun freaks will not even bother to go after schools or malls knowing that there is a zero daily bag limit!
I think "zero" is too restrictive.
Maybe they should issue tags, like they do for deer. A hunting license would be required, and training at Ommelanden...
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Little bit of sarcasm there. Just pointing out that banning something does not make it go away........
While they are banning the nasty assault rifle, they should ban drugs as well. That would make America a safer place. ???
Where have you been? Drugs are banned except for pot in now two states. The War on Drugs has been one of the biggest waste of tax dollars and an even bigger waste of law enforcement resources in our nations history.
Legalization, control and taxation would virtually eliminate drug related crime.
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While they are banning the nasty assault rifle, they should ban drugs as well. That would make America a SOBER place. ???
Fixed it for ya! ;D
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While they are banning the nasty assault rifle, they should ban drugs as well. That would make America a SOBER place. ???
Fixed it for ya! ;D
Fair enough Sir! ;D
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and violent video games and violent movies
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and violent video games and violent movies
Nonsense. What more do you want the government to dictate? Think about that for a minute. How about parents take more responsibility for their kids? What was this knucklehead woman in CT thinking buying an Autistic kid assault weapons? Autistic does not equal insane but it surely does not equal well adjusted enough for firearm ownership. The only justice in this horror is he took her out first.
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Kathy has merit on this, Kids that do this, are falling into a fantasy world, so by playing the games, getting locked into this world, then taking them to the range. Then letting them watch movies that glorify guns and violence, the copy cat emerges.
Now, not all will fall prey, only a few that the elevator is having issues with getting to the top floor. Shy seems to play a role, a persons ability to get along. This seems to be a key.
Spotting it in school seems to be the place to pick it out. This is where it develops, parents are the other half, they see it. Are they blind to it? Do they say he will grow out of it? Most do. This would be the problem. Ignoring it.
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Kathy has merit on this, Kids that do this, are falling into a fantasy world, so by playing the games, getting locked into this world, then taking them to the range. Then letting them watch movies that glorify guns and violence, the copy cat emerges.
Now, not all will fall prey, only a few that the elevator is having issues with getting to the top floor. Shy seems to play a role, a persons ability to get along. This seems to be a key.
Spotting it in school seems to be the place to pick it out. This is where it develops, parents are the other half, they see it. Are they blind to it? Do they say he will grow out of it? Most do. This would be the problem. Ignoring it.
So the 99.999% that are well adjusted should be deprived and/or punished as a result of the behaviors of the .0001%?? Blaming movie or video game content for violence is the same as blaming an inanimate object such as a knife or gun for murder. Do you really believe that genius in Aurora,CO that shot those people at a Batman movie would never have killed if there was never a Batman movie? Charge the government with policing what we should watch, read, play? No thanks.
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Yes. That one genius. Not u or me or average people. His brain was unravling. And yes i believe today we will loose rights because of him . the answer seems to be spotable in school. How do we solve it is the answer.
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Kathy has merit on this, Kids that do this, are falling into a fantasy world, so by playing the games, getting locked into this world, then taking them to the range. Then letting them watch movies that glorify guns and violence, the copy cat emerges.
Now, not all will fall prey, only a few that the elevator is having issues with getting to the top floor. Shy seems to play a role, a persons ability to get along. This seems to be a key.
Spotting it in school seems to be the place to pick it out. This is where it develops, parents are the other half, they see it. Are they blind to it? Do they say he will grow out of it? Most do. This would be the problem. Ignoring it.
So the 99.999% that are well adjusted should be deprived and/or punished as a result of the behaviors of the .0001%?? Blaming movie or video game content for violence is the same as blaming an inanimate object such as a knife or gun for murder. Do you really believe that genius in Aurora,CO that shot those people at a Batman movie would never have killed if there was never a Batman movie? Charge the government with policing what we should watch, read, play? No thanks.
This is the dumb crap kinda stuff that happens in the military. One moron crashes a mil truck and then we have 3 new rules to prevent it. I have been from the point when being in the military was actually a fun job to now looking like a clown at work with all the safety gear I have to wear and regs I have to adhere to. one genius ruined it. very sad day indeed
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Someone sent me this on facebook so I cannot take credit for it, but it seems to fit.
People are already offering up solutions to this tragedy. There isn’t one. Evil people exist. They always will. Some people are born broken. They want to rape, hurt, kill or whatever. You can prepare for them, lookout for them, and do your best to be vigilant, but you can’t legislate them or counsel them not to be broken.
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As you know, there have been a lot of rhetoric lately, since the Sandy Hook School shootings, about more gun control laws.
I saw this in the "Public Forum" of today's Delaware State News, and couldn't not agree more. This was an anonymous comment, but hit the nail right on the head. It stated:
Look, the facts are these: It was already against the law for Adam Lanza to kill his mother, against the law to possess handguns, as he was under 21; and since he was mentally ill, it was against the law to possess any firearms, against the law to steal his mothers firearm's, against the law to take firearms into a school zone, against the law to shoot up the school, against the law to kill (murder) the children and the adults, among other things.
Every single thing he did was against the law. Did any of these laws that were already enacted stop Adam Lanza from any of these crimes? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Will yet another law, that only affects the law-abiding gun owners, make a nickels worth of difference? ABSOLUTELY NOT! (published 12/22/2012 DSN)
As a member of the NRA, a trained firearms owner, and holder of a concealed carry permit, I ask, how many more laws, that will only infringe on the 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to "bare arms" by Americans, will be made. Is this just a ploy to disarm law abiding Americans?
The current administration have said in the past, "never fail to use a emergency to get what we want". They're using this to take the 2nd Amendment Rights away from us, as has been their "aim" all along.
It doesn't matter if you have a shotgun, a rifle or a handgun for hunting, or home and personal protection, they want to eventually take them. It is the ploy of the Progressives to slowly take what the want, just like Hitler, he only wanted a little more power, a few more countries, and more power over people. He took all weapons away from the Jews, and then killed 6 million of them, and would have kill them all, if we hadn't stopped him.
Will we have to do this again?
We send 10's of BILLIONS of your taxpayer dollars to other nations, that hate us, every year. Why can we spend the money here (estimated 5 billion)to put police in our schools to protect our children and grandchildren?
This is not a Democrat/Republican thing, it is a FREE AND SAFE AMERICAN THING!
Just my opinion, Whats' yours?
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My opinion (since ya asked...hehe)....
I am tired of the politicians, the media, and the NRA. They are all extremists. Why can we not have some common sense ? I believe the core problem here (and not just with shootings, but the country in general) is the complete lack of any sense of personal responsibility.
If people were responsible, and held to be so - we wouldn't need any more laws than what we have now (and most that we have we wouldn't need). Im not sure when it happened, but at some point in time this country turned itself into something that it shouldn't be. There was some point in time where we began to place the responsibility of our actions on the government instead of ourselves...and now whenever something goes wrong we like to point the finger. Watch the news, sit in a court room - its never 'MY' fault.
Lets start putting blame where it is due.
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The NRA wants armed security guards in schools? As the media and the left heap scorn on the NRA and ridicule this idea you have to wonder where they got such as hair brained idea in the first place.
Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.
"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.
Oh, never mind.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Flashback-Clinton-Cops-in-Schools (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Flashback-Clinton-Cops-in-Schools)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en&v=de3lmAD5kXo&sns=fb&nomobile=1
NO RIFLE WAS USED BY LANZA. watch this, and notice half way trough, its a side charger, with a wood stock. "are you serious?" a Sagai. NOT A AR.. Somebody snopes this.
So now what, Handgun sales will skyrocket? Is this vid a valid one?
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That video should be sent to Fox News to be looked at. It sure is not an AR.
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
please tell me your trying to be funny......
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of course he has to be kidding otherwise he'd be insulting the rest of us with his comment about his high IQ
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Looking at some previous silly post, sarcasim is what i see....
If not, please let me know. I am a retired enviromental control agent.
(feces stirrer for those who did not have the High IQ needed to figure that out)
Semi auto is semi auto.
Assult is Full auto. AR's are Assult style.
So Since he has stated he has a HIGH IQ. And that he left out the obvious.
I do believe that he is having some good ole forum fun.
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I am dummer en a hard crab, but what will we do when dem Zombies be comin??????
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I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
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I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
First, to all, I apologize for not keeping this family material...
Now to comment. You have got to be shitting me!!! More controlled, 20,000 gun laws are not enough? 20,001 would have prevented any shootings??? Registration system, let's see, I think that was tried in Hitlers days. How that work out for the Jews? I believe there are other documented times where registration was use and it did not work out so good.
You said yourself, trace back to original owner. OK, if your gun was STOLEN, it traces back to YOU. Please enlighten me, HOW will that help solve the crime???? Gee officer, yes, I did own said gun, but it was stolen 6 months ago.... Lot of help that was.
More laws (or registration) will be flappin useless! The only people impacted by them will be you and me. The criminal, DOES NOT CARE about any laws. How about if we look at the PROBLEM (people, mental health, or where ever) and find answers there. Unless while I was sleeping, my gun did NOT jump out of it's holster and shoot people. Registration - Did not Canada try that for long guns??? HOW effective??? Ever look to see how it worked for them???
I've asked this to RedAlert on deloc, and I'll ask it to you. During the Clinton AWB 94-04 (which Ol' Joe is proud to have been a part of), how EFFECTIVE was it????
Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!?
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kudos to radnor, you are right on target...excuse the pun
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
Tell me that you are just poking fun????????????????????????
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"Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!"
The fact that someone calls the same thing by different names is semantics. However, I would say that any comparison of civilian ownership of that weapon to law enforcement use is silly. A police officer is trained and paid to look for trouble. A civilian is not. Therefore a police officer has a defined, qualified need for such a weapon. A civilian does not. Please don't try and tell me otherwise...i.e. self-defense, defense of property. That can be done with a shotgun.
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I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
First, to all, I apologize for not keeping this family material...
Now to comment. You have got to be shitting me!!! More controlled, 20,000 gun laws are not enough? 20,001 would have prevented any shootings??? Registration system, let's see, I think that was tried in Hitlers days. How that work out for the Jews? I believe there are other documented times where registration was use and it did not work out so good.
You said yourself, trace back to original owner. OK, if your gun was STOLEN, it traces back to YOU. Please enlighten me, HOW will that help solve the crime???? Gee officer, yes, I did own said gun, but it was stolen 6 months ago.... Lot of help that was.
More laws (or registration) will be flappin useless! The only people impacted by them will be you and me. The criminal, DOES NOT CARE about any laws. How about if we look at the PROBLEM (people, mental health, or where ever) and find answers there. Unless while I was sleeping, my gun did NOT jump out of it's holster and shoot people. Registration - Did not Canada try that for long guns??? HOW effective??? Ever look to see how it worked for them???
I've asked this to RedAlert on deloc, and I'll ask it to you. During the Clinton AWB 94-04 (which Ol' Joe is proud to have been a part of), how EFFECTIVE was it????
Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!?
I guess you are the really smart one here on this site, very typical from a member of the other site to have these reactions and speak like they know it all.
We can come up with stolen scenarios, selling to criminals, letting someone borrow your gun....whatever... - you support your views I to support mine. Also, not sure why you are bringing banning AR15s here, did I say that on my post? Maybe you read what you wanted to read so you can come back and argue? Have a good day.
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I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
First, to all, I apologize for not keeping this family material...
Now to comment. You have got to be shitting me!!! More controlled, 20,000 gun laws are not enough? 20,001 would have prevented any shootings??? Registration system, let's see, I think that was tried in Hitlers days. How that work out for the Jews? I believe there are other documented times where registration was use and it did not work out so good.
You said yourself, trace back to original owner. OK, if your gun was STOLEN, it traces back to YOU. Please enlighten me, HOW will that help solve the crime???? Gee officer, yes, I did own said gun, but it was stolen 6 months ago.... Lot of help that was.
More laws (or registration) will be flappin useless! The only people impacted by them will be you and me. The criminal, DOES NOT CARE about any laws. How about if we look at the PROBLEM (people, mental health, or where ever) and find answers there. Unless while I was sleeping, my gun did NOT jump out of it's holster and shoot people. Registration - Did not Canada try that for long guns??? HOW effective??? Ever look to see how it worked for them???
I've asked this to RedAlert on deloc, and I'll ask it to you. During the Clinton AWB 94-04 (which Ol' Joe is proud to have been a part of), how EFFECTIVE was it????
Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!?
I guess you are the really smart one here on this site, very typical from a member of the other site to have these reactions and speak like they know it all.
We can come up with stolen scenarios, selling to criminals, letting someone borrow your gun....whatever... - you support your views I to support mine. Also, not sure why you are bringing banning AR15s here, did I say that on my post? Maybe you read what you wanted to read so you can come back and argue? Have a good day.
The RED quotes above ARE from your keyboard, DEFINE assault rifle please. I could have been wrong, but I ASSUMED you were referring to the AR. Then I have a misunderstanding of your quote "more controlled", please explain.
Will ask a direct question, for the 10 years the AWB 94-04 was in effect did it STOP the sale of NEW AR(s)?
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"Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!"
The fact that someone calls the same thing by different names is semantics. However, I would say that any comparison of civilian ownership of that weapon to law enforcement use is silly. A police officer is trained and paid to look for trouble. A civilian is not. Therefore a police officer has a defined, qualified need for such a weapon. A civilian does not. Please don't try and tell me otherwise...i.e. self-defense, defense of property. That can be done with a shotgun.
So civilian ownership of AR(s) gets your panties in a bunch? WHY?!? If it is used for LAWFUL purposes, who cares what you have. I dont. Neither should the Government.
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From what you quoted - "[...] assault rifle or not[...]", meaning whatever you (anti or pro guns) consider it to be, the definition of it is irrelevant to the point I made.
Answering your question, I don't think the ban did anything hence the reason you don't see me saying anything supporting a ban, on the contrary, you can see other posts where I either suggested or congratulated someone on AR15 purchases.
I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
First, to all, I apologize for not keeping this family material...
Now to comment. You have got to be shitting me!!! More controlled, 20,000 gun laws are not enough? 20,001 would have prevented any shootings??? Registration system, let's see, I think that was tried in Hitlers days. How that work out for the Jews? I believe there are other documented times where registration was use and it did not work out so good.
You said yourself, trace back to original owner. OK, if your gun was STOLEN, it traces back to YOU. Please enlighten me, HOW will that help solve the crime???? Gee officer, yes, I did own said gun, but it was stolen 6 months ago.... Lot of help that was.
More laws (or registration) will be flappin useless! The only people impacted by them will be you and me. The criminal, DOES NOT CARE about any laws. How about if we look at the PROBLEM (people, mental health, or where ever) and find answers there. Unless while I was sleeping, my gun did NOT jump out of it's holster and shoot people. Registration - Did not Canada try that for long guns??? HOW effective??? Ever look to see how it worked for them???
I've asked this to RedAlert on deloc, and I'll ask it to you. During the Clinton AWB 94-04 (which Ol' Joe is proud to have been a part of), how EFFECTIVE was it????
Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!?
I guess you are the really smart one here on this site, very typical from a member of the other site to have these reactions and speak like they know it all.
We can come up with stolen scenarios, selling to criminals, letting someone borrow your gun....whatever... - you support your views I to support mine. Also, not sure why you are bringing banning AR15s here, did I say that on my post? Maybe you read what you wanted to read so you can come back and argue? Have a good day.
The RED quotes above ARE from your keyboard, DEFINE assault rifle please. I could have been wrong, but I ASSUMED you were referring to the AR. Then I have a misunderstanding of your quote "more controlled", please explain.
Will ask a direct question, for the 10 years the AWB 94-04 was in effect did it STOP the sale of NEW AR(s)?
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Although I don't agree with it, I do respect your position. The part I disagree most is where you say police are trained and civilians are not. Many civilians, not the vast majority I agree, are trained better than LEO. Perhaps the system could require more training before giving permission to someone to carry a firearm. I also disagree with the need or not to own these guns. If I want to own one I should be able as long as I pass the background check, and perhaps demonstrate some form of training?!?! Not sure.
[...] I would say that any comparison of civilian ownership of that weapon to law enforcement use is silly. A police officer is trained and paid to look for trouble. A civilian is not. Therefore a police officer has a defined, qualified need for such a weapon. A civilian does not. Please don't try and tell me otherwise...i.e. self-defense, defense of property. That can be done with a shotgun.
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Although I don't agree with it, I do respect your position. The part I disagree most is where you say police are trained and civilians are not. Many civilians, not the vast majority I agree, are trained better than LEO. Perhaps the system could require more training before giving permission to someone to carry a firearm. I also disagree with the need or not to own these guns. If I want to own one I should be able as long as I pass the background check, and perhaps demonstrate proficiency?!?! Not sure.
"Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!"
The fact that someone calls the same thing by different names is semantics. However, I would say that any comparison of civilian ownership of that weapon to law enforcement use is silly. A police officer is trained and paid to look for trouble. A civilian is not. Therefore a police officer has a defined, qualified need for such a weapon. A civilian does not. Please don't try and tell me otherwise...i.e. self-defense, defense of property. That can be done with a shotgun.
You read and interpreted what I stated incorrectly. I never mentioned specific training for a weapon such as an AR15, however, it is irrelevant should you think you have more extensive knowledge of a weapon then any given cop. A police officer...by law must have very specific training that is documented and must meet minimal requirements of handling,accuracy,nomenclature, safety for each and every weapon that she/he carry or are issued. Stop comparing civilian concealed carry and weapon proficiency to law enforcement ...it's brilliant.
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
Well you can't be all that smart because if you scored a little higher on the civil service exam you would have been a firefighter. But since you not, well what's that say about you?
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"Next question, Why is that AR15 in MY hands an assault weapon and in the hands of a police officer it's a PATROL RIFLE when it's the SAME flappin gun?!"
The fact that someone calls the same thing by different names is semantics. However, I would say that any comparison of civilian ownership of that weapon to law enforcement use is silly. A police officer is trained and paid to look for trouble. A civilian is not. Therefore a police officer has a defined, qualified need for such a weapon. A civilian does not. Please don't try and tell me otherwise...i.e. self-defense, defense of property. That can be done with a shotgun.
21 years in the Army (Military Police) I think I know how to use and handle an AR15. I will not be arbitrarily denied of what I need to defend myself and my family because someone else is intimidated by the aesthetics of an "assault weapon." Stuff can go downhill real fast.
Remember this?
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-02/news/mn-1281_1_police-car (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-02/news/mn-1281_1_police-car)
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Lets make this a short response.
The end product of trolling, is to upset. Now.
Since, most if not all of the mods on here own a Semi auto rifle. percentages of daily contributors own one.
It becomes a majority.
Now, when you come on here and say, we are all idoits, and you should listen to you. Nobody should own these, You are pissing in the wheaties of the gods.
That would be penalty one. Now, to keep rambling you point, is just more salt on that wound. If you were that intelligent, you would know this . So let me point it out to you.
Now, if you still want a challenge to redem yourself, stop up tomorrow, I am cutting metric threads on my Green mountain 45 acp barrel To fit it onto my AK. , I will be head spacing. This is not a Valley girl saying. Next is measuring the weigh of a Marlin comp carbine (45 acp) bolt, so that when i remove the gas system, to make my ak a blow back system, I have to have matching numbers , so I can use redally availible springs from the marlin, to ease my pain of build. Now, I also shortened the Mag area of the Perfectly good milled reciever, so the bullet can use the factory stop to kick it out. , Now, since I am welding the bolt to the carrier, getting rid of the gas tube, piston, and barrel (green mountain is usa) also removing front sites. Muzzle brake will be made on my Bridgeport , Sides will angle up 20 degrees both back and up at the same time. This will act as both a brake and a muzzle rise stopper. No brake directly at 12 or lower ones., only sides. Now, all this because I did not find a Kriss V at Oaks.
Now, for your Defense on your IQ
HOW MANY MORE COMPLIANT PARTS DO I NEED? When you answere this, people here will know you are
(add favorite adj here) Brilliant!
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
Well you can't be all that smart because if you scored a little higher on the civil service exam you would have been a firefighter. But since you not, well what's that say about you?
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Firefighter?? They sleep until they are hungry and then eat until they are tired. :-*
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You should all listen to me as I have an extremely high IQ and am former NJ State Police, which speaks for itself. Make it through NJSP Academy, Sea Girt....then come speak to me. By comparison, the PA State Police Academy is a summer camp for queers.
No civilian needs nor has the right to own an assault rifle. Just get over that fact because soon you will be forced to.
Well you can't be all that smart because if you scored a little higher on the civil service exam you would have been a firefighter. But since you not, well what's that say about you?
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Firefighter?? They sleep until they are hungry and then eat until they are tired. :-*
This coming from a guy who makes a donut shop his second home. ;D
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Lets make this a short response.
The end product of trolling, is to upset. Now.
Since, most if not all of the mods on here own a Semi auto rifle. percentages of daily contributors own one.
It becomes a majority.
Now, when you come on here and say, we are all idoits, and you should listen to you. Nobody should own these, You are pissing in the wheaties of the gods.
That would be penalty one. Now, to keep rambling you point, is just more salt on that wound. If you were that intelligent, you would know this . So let me point it out to you.
Now, if you still want a challenge to redem yourself, stop up tomorrow, I am cutting metric threads on my Green mountain 45 acp barrel To fit it onto my AK. , I will be head spacing. This is not a Valley girl saying. Next is measuring the weigh of a Marlin comp carbine (45 acp) bolt, so that when i remove the gas system, to make my ak a blow back system, I have to have matching numbers , so I can use redally availible springs from the marlin, to ease my pain of build. Now, I also shortened the Mag area of the Perfectly good milled reciever, so the bullet can use the factory stop to kick it out. , Now, since I am welding the bolt to the carrier, getting rid of the gas tube, piston, and barrel (green mountain is usa) also removing front sites. Muzzle brake will be made on my Bridgeport , Sides will angle up 20 degrees both back and up at the same time. This will act as both a brake and a muzzle rise stopper. No brake directly at 12 or lower ones., only sides. Now, all this because I did not find a Kriss V at Oaks.
Now, for your Defense on your IQ
HOW MANY MORE COMPLIANT PARTS DO I NEED? When you answere this, people here will know you are
(add favorite adj here) Brilliant!
Your post here is very important...to you. Have fun with all that.
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I do wish sale of firearms in general, assault rifles or not, were more controlled. I believe a registration system with background check on ALL firearm transactions would keep firearm owners more on their toes. Bad guys will still be able to get guns, but not as easy. Some crimes maybe be easier to make someone accountable if the firearm can be traced back to original owners.
So you don't feel safe selling your firearm to a friend or a relative without a background check? Because if YOU don't, you can always have one done by an FFL.
I still fail to see how a registration system or a background check will prevent a criminal from stealing weapons or acquiring them illegally through straw purchases.
I still can't get why "shall not be infringed" means infringe to people. Add all the gun control you want, it won't stop murders or violence. Look at England. Their gun ban has been in effect since 1997 and there is still violence, murders, and gun crime. Once the 2a is gone, the other rights come falling down even easier.
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You read and interpreted what I stated incorrectly. I never mentioned specific training for a weapon such as an AR15, however, it is irrelevant should you think you have more extensive knowledge of a weapon then any given cop. A police officer...by law must have very specific training that is documented and must meet minimal requirements of handling,accuracy,nomenclature, safety for each and every weapon that she/he carry or are issued. Stop comparing civilian concealed carry and weapon proficiency to law enforcement ...it's brilliant.
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HOW MANY MORE COMPLIANT PARTS DO I NEED? When you answere this, people here will know you are
(add favorite adj here) Brilliant!
Your post here is very important...to you. Have fun with all that.
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You missed the point genius. I pointed out you were insulting. I did not see a appoligy to any outstanding member here. I am nobody . But under my title of admin. I have to keep the interest of the people here. I should look after them, build and expand the board for them. settle differences between members . What makes the differnce to me? When members go overboard. They realize it. They pm another Mod, or me. Respect is what the board trys to keep. You missed that under signing up. I guess we will have to redo the Terms, and BOLD certain things.
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Read this please:
http://rense.com/general85/obs.htm
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Date is 09?
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Date is 09?
Good catch. I seriously doubt that will be confiscation.
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No confiscation, but you may not be able to use that 15 or 30 round mag/clip at your local range/club.
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No confiscation, but you may not be able to use that 15 or 30 round mag/clip at your local range/club.
That is true.
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Diane feinstein, who is supposedly writing the assualt weapons ban, has stated, that currently owned guns will be grandfathered. However, buoyed by any success the anti's may gain, confiscation could be on their minds, in the near future.
It has been distressing to to see this thread degrade to the point of reminding me of "The other Site". Please do not let this site become like the Deloc site.
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I second that Frank, this site has been great, lets keep it that way. Great job mods!
Diane feinstein, who is supposedly writing the assualt weapons ban, has stated, that currently owned guns will be grandfathered. However, buoyed by any success the anti's may gain, confiscation could be on their minds, in the near future.
It has been distressing to to see this thread degrade to the point of reminding me of "The other Site". Please do not let this site become like the Deloc site.
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Everybody needs to chill, have some time with family, relax. Dont get worked up . Stay imformed, check dates on every email that is getting pushed around. Dont let yourself get spazzed out ....
And dont pizz the mods off. ::)
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Results of Gun Bans in England and Australia
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/will-banning-guns-stop-homicides-stats-from-england-and-australia-show/