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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: groundgrid on April 26, 2013, 02:47:09 AM
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HB 58 AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 11 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO PROHIBITED CONDUCT IN CONNECTION WITH LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINES.
Link:
http://www.legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis147.nsf/2bede841c6272c888025698400433a04/f8edf03b468ad24885257b2b006dcbb1?OpenDocument
This bill is a de-facto ban of most of the defensive handguns that are currently carried.
If you can't have a 17 round magazine in public, ditch the Glock & buy a revolver.
As written, it doesn't even allow for carrying with the magazine not completely filled.
If this passes there is will be a 100% chance of a Modern Sporting Rifle ban that will also pass.
Given the attendance at last weeks hearing, I have come to the conclusion that there simply is not enough interest
in Delaware to fight these bills.
We need at least 200 gun owners to show up and testify against this bill.
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They are really coming for our rights full force aren't they? God this pisses me off to no end. What's even more frustrating is the level of interest in this state to preserve those rights. I know hundreds of people that would be highly upset when this passes, but they won't even hear about it until after the fact. Why isn't the NRA or some other organization pulling people together and organizing some sort of protest or high attendance to these committee meetings? How can we reach out to the DE gun owners in this state?
Jon
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We need to get the e-mail address list of forum members & do it ourselves.
Does anyone know who has access to the list?
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638 members probably carry concealed or are at least interested in obtaining a permit. Lord only knows how many gun owners there are in DE, and only 10 people show up at the house bill meetings? No wonder this administration is running rampant...
Jon
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We don't keep an "email list" of members... some members provide theirs and make it available on their profile, others don't.
All you can do is keep bringing it to others attention when things come up and encourage them to contact their legislators, etc... You'll find that many MANY people live their life (not just in this state) and don't pay any attention to what is being passed etc.
Moosie
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They are really coming for our rights full force aren't they? God this pisses me off to no end. What's even more frustrating is the level of interest in this state to preserve those rights. I know hundreds of people that would be highly upset when this passes, but they won't even hear about it until after the fact. Why isn't the NRA or some other organization pulling people together and organizing some sort of protest or high attendance to these committee meetings? How can we reach out to the DE gun owners in this state?
Jon
Yes
I has been going on for years and many factors that led to it happened right under our noses and it will only happen further as people think "its no big deal"
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So my question, and forgive me if I am missing this. is:
It says the magazine and the gun in a public place at the same time is a crime.
It also talks about if the gun/magazine is capable of being used at the time.
I don't have my CCDW permit (Yet), but when I go to the range to target shoot I put my range bag filled with all of my gear (guns, mags, ammo, eyes/ears/cleaning/etc)
in the trunk of my car. I was told that this is always legal and acceptable because it is not readily accessible to me if it's in the trunk.
Does this mean that if I am transporting my gun and my "High Cap" mags to the range in my trunk, that I am committing a crime?
How would I do this without committing a crime?
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Yes, that is correct.
Also, if the bill passes, you will not be able to carry a gun with a magazine that contains over 10 rounds or bring that gun & its magazine to a range at the same time.
Please cal & write your State rep and let them know what you think about this.
There is a list of the Representatives & their districts elsewhere on this forum.
The committee hearing on this bill is tomorrow at 2:30 PM. If you are free, please come to the hearing & sign up to testify.
This will get you 2 minutes to make a point to the committee.
Be politically active & fight for your rights.
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I have sen emails to all the senators and representatives in Delaware not just my district. I do this weekly.
Sorry I can't be there in person Wednesday.
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Yes, that is correct.
Also, if the bill passes, you will not be able to carry a gun with a magazine that contains over 10 rounds or bring that gun & its magazine to a range at the same time.
Please cal & write your State rep and let them know what you think about this.
There is a list of the Representatives & their districts elsewhere on this forum.
The committee hearing on this bill is tomorrow at 2:30 PM. If you are free, please come to the hearing & sign up to testify.
This will get you 2 minutes to make a point to the committee.
Be politically active & fight for your rights.
Is there some interstate transportation law that will trump this? I know if mag capacity is banned that is allowable as of now, but if they have a grandfather clause for pre-existing mags then in theory wouldnt they be covered under the ( I think its called ) the interstate firearms transportation act.
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The proposed law will let you keep mags that you already own.
You will not be able to sell or transfer them.
You will be able to use them at your home or at a range.
There is no provision for transporting your mags to the range.
You will not be able to transport them or have them anywhere in a "public place" while in
possession of a firearm that will accept the magazine. To transport your magazines you will need to
render them "inoperable"- take them apart. However, having them inoperable is only an affirmative defense.
This means that you could still be arrested & end up in court to prove that they fit the definition of inoperable.
Even with a CDW permit, you would not be able to carry a gun that has a magazine with over 10 rounds as that would require the mag & the gun being in the same place.
As written, this bill creates a de-facto ban on most defensive handguns.
If you haven't done so, please e-mail all of the members of the House administration committee.
The NRA-ILA website has an alert with the names & e-mail addresses of the committee members.
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I emailed all senators and representatives early this morning with my concerns with this bill. I have hard back from 2 senators. Pettyjohn and Hocker. Both said they will not support this bill.
Representative Hudson would not reply because I am not in her district. All she said are you in my district?
I am opposed to this bill, as well as all the bills that will make lawful owners of firearms criminals.
Brian Pettyjohn
Delaware State Senator; 19th District
Georgetown Office:
PO Box 616
Georgetown, DE 19947
(302) 858-0694
Legislative Hall Office:
PO Box 1401
Dover, DE 19903
(302) 744-4117
www.brianpettyjohn.com
www.delawarestatesenate.com
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The proposed law will let you keep mags that you already own.
You will not be able to sell or transfer them.
You will be able to use them at your home or at a range.
There is no provision for transporting your mags to the range.
You will not be able to transport them or have them anywhere in a "public place" while in
possession of a firearm that will accept the magazine. To transport your magazines you will need to
render them "inoperable"- take them apart. However, having them inoperable is only an affirmative defense.
This means that you could still be arrested & end up in court to prove that they fit the definition of inoperable.
Even with a CDW permit, you would not be able to carry a gun that has a magazine with over 10 rounds as that would require the mag & the gun being in the same place.
As written, this bill creates a de-facto ban on most defensive handguns.
If you haven't done so, please e-mail all of the members of the House administration committee.
The NRA-ILA website has an alert with the names & e-mail addresses of the committee members.
SO it sounds like once agian parts of laws politicians dont like are being shredded.
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I emailed all senators and representatives early this morning with my concerns with this bill. I have hard back from 2 senators. Pettyjohn and Hocker. Both said they will not support this bill.
Representative Hudson would not reply because I am not in her district. All she said are you in my district?
I am opposed to this bill, as well as all the bills that will make lawful owners of firearms criminals.
Brian Pettyjohn
Delaware State Senator; 19th District
Georgetown Office:
PO Box 616
Georgetown, DE 19947
(302) 858-0694
Legislative Hall Office:
PO Box 1401
Dover, DE 19903
(302) 744-4117
www.brianpettyjohn.com
www.delawarestatesenate.com
YOu should have told her. I pay taxes in the state of Delaware.
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I will check in with Rep Hudson this evening.
I am certain that she will vote against it.
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Reply from Rep Daniel Short: This makes it 4 Reps that have stated that they will not support the bill.
Thanks I am a no vote!
Daniel B. Short
Minority Leader
House of Representatives
State of Delaware
302-744-4172
www.repdannyshort.com
Please visit our House website:
www.delawarestatehouse.com
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I just received an email from Mike Ramone and he said he will not support the bill.
Responses are coming from my emails but very slowly.
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Rebecca Walker (D) 9th is a No vote
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More email received.
Mike Ramone is a NO vote.
Ruth Briggs-King is a NO vote
Wish I could be there today for support.
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I intend to testify, here is my speech: It has been stated, that this law could save lives. In the event of a mass shooting, a shooter would have to reload sooner, allowing someone to stop him from killing more people. In fact, this is the main premiss this law is supposedly based on. For anyone who would believe this, I have a bridge in New York I would be happy to sell them. An un-trained shooter takes about 1 1/2 to 2 seconds to reload a pistol or rifle, a well trained shooter can reload in 1/2 second. Is anyone actually niave enough to believe, that in the chaos which ensues during a mass shooting, anyone (even close to the Shooter) could or would attemp to stop the shooting? In 1/2 to 2 seconds, it would be very unlikely anyone could stop the shooter, and if someone tried, they would become the shooter's next target! In fact neither the Colorado theater shooter, nor the Connecticutt school shooter tried to reload. According to police reports the Colorado shooter had a shotgun, a rifle, and a pistol. The Connecticutt school shooter had four pistols. The so-called large capacity magazines this bill would ban, are NOT large capacity magazines, but standard magazines. Real large capacity magazines hold 50 to 100 rounds, and are often unreliable, because they are prone to jam.Do not pass this bill, it will not prevent a single mass shooting, or reduce the number of casulties during a mass shooting. It will only burden, unnecessarily law abiding gun owners. For example I have a concealed carry permit, if passed, this law would make my expensive carry pistol illegal, because the smallest capacity magazine available for it holds 13 rounds. Please allow me to keep my pistol, thank you.
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Thank you, Frank for your testimony!
Moosie
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Great testimony Frank.
The problem is the people you are going to be speaking to just wont get it. They actually dont want to look at root causes of the crime and want to blame the guns.
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Great testimony Frank.
The problem is the people you are going to be speaking to just wont get it. They actually dont want to look at root causes of the crime and want to blame the guns.
Occasionally it might make a difference if they are not under extreme pressure from their party chair to vote with the chairman. Most don't even take the time to read and think about the repercussion this and other bills cause.
I also received an email from William Carson. He is voting NO.
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My friendly UPS delivery guy just brought me a package from Magpul!
Some new Pmag 30 round AR-15 magazines. Christmas in May, maybe not Christmas since I did have to pay with credit card.
Anyone interested in purchasing one? I did receive many more than I really need.
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My friendly UPS delivery guy just brought me a package from Magpul!
Some new Pmag 30 round AR-15 magazines. Christmas in May, maybe not Christmas since I did have to pay with credit card.
Anyone interested in purchasing one? I did receive many more than I really need.
From Magpul? Isnt ordering from then more expensive than say brownells or something?
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Passed Committee today. Man that Schwartzkopf guy is a real arrogant prick. He just rubs me the wrong way, the way he speaks in such a condescending manner...
Heard back from Quinton Johnson, he opposes the bill as well. Wasn't expecting that one.
Jon
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HB 58 was released from the Administrative Committee today with a vote of 3 out of the five members to release it on its merits. No votes in favor, no votes opposed. Next the bill will go to the floor for discussion and a vote.
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I still want to know from any state legislator ......please tellnme what part of this or any gun bill will reduce the shootings that go on everyday. In Wilmington there were 5 shootings in a period of twenty nine hours with one DOA......None of these persons who did the shooting was a registered gun owner........this happens everyday in every city in the United States. The courts are but a speed bump for these felons. With bails set a unbelievable low amounts the suspect is usually back on the streets within hours. What happened in Colorado and Connecticut were tradgic and horrific, I am a parent and could not fathom what those families are dealing with, but lets be realistic .........no matter what you ban, a person who wants to kill....will kill. Be it a AR -15, a glock, a revolver, a hammer, a knife, or a rock.......lets start by making the people doing the crimes responsible for the action. I know quite a few police officers, never once have they arrested a gun or bullet. The machine doesn't work unless the worker operates it.
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None of these persons who did the shooting was a registered gun owner........
Delaware does not have registered gun owners
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My friendly UPS delivery guy just brought me a package from Magpul!
Some new Pmag 30 round AR-15 magazines. Christmas in May, maybe not Christmas since I did have to pay with credit card.
Anyone interested in purchasing one? I did receive many more than I really need.
From Magpul? Isnt ordering from then more expensive than say brownells or something?
It would be but my son lives in Colorado and went to the factory before they close and bought a large supply.
If you want one $15 and one is yours.
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It's just the beginning of the end! You all had better buy a @@@@ good slingshot and stockpile all the rocks you can before they ban and outlaw rocks next!
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The following is a link to a spreadsheet showing the most recent information that I have regarding how each Representative will vote.
Ones marked with a * are assumed because of their position as a bill sponsor or by observations of their conduct at hearings etc.
Please try to get your rep to send you an e-mail regarding their position. Have your friends in other districts do the same.
If they will not respond to you, have someone else send them a simple e-mail asking if they are for or against the bill.
Reps will often not respond regarding issues when they do not agree with you.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12508970/DE%20Gun%20Bill%20Positions.xlsx
If you can't deal with Excell, the following link will get you the PDF version:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12508970/DE%20Gun%20Bill%20Positions.pdf
I will add other bills as time permits.
Please post your reps position or PM it to me so that it can be added to the spreadsheet.
1). It's not over until the bill becomes law
2). If it does, we will make it clear that they will loose their jobs next election
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Good spreadsheet, pretty sure M. Mulroney is a NO..
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Talked to Blevins before leaving Legislative Hall yesterday, she said she did not think it would pass.
Although she received a grade of "C" from nrapva. So maybe it was smoke being blown up my ___.
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Because Andria Bennett voted no against HB 35, it may be fair to assume, she will vote no here.
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I nnderstand Lopez said he would vote no but he voted yea on background checks
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I nnderstand Lopez said he would vote no but he voted yea on background checks
Background checks was low hanging fruit. While any infringement is a travesty, background checks from a political perspective is the least serious.
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Once this session is over, I'll use the spreadsheet to calculate an "Infringement Score" that we can use during the next election.
Will include their vote on background checks as well as the other bills.
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Rep Jaques said he plans to vote no on HB 58.
Speaker Schwartzkopf lectured us on carefully reading the bill before we sent an email (make sure that you do). He cited the emails about .22 mags being banned but the tubular mags are not banned in the bill. Someone before me directly responded to him in his 2 minutes that the most popular 22 rifle is the Ruger 10/22 that can accept a mag that would be banned. I almost applauded.
The problem with Mitchell's bill is that it seeks to reduce the severity of incidents rather than preventing them. Inhibiting the sheepdogs by limiting mag sizes is wrong approach. Mitchell, who is a retired LEO, said he would "consider" exempting CCDWs. Retired LEOs are exempt; why not retired military?
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Thanks for putting that together, and keeping it updated groundgrid.
Maybe also add a colum for "R" or "D".
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...and change the top to HB 58, not 67. That's the School Safety zone bill that passed committee last week. Another one I would like to see fail.
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More emails with results:
William Carson - NO
Rebecca Walker - NO
Still waiting responses from more.
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Spreadsheet has been corrected & updated. Party Affiliations have been added.
2 additional bill have been added.
I will try make updates at least every other day.
Link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12508970/DE%20Gun%20Bill%20Positions.xlsx
Note that the link will not change with updates & can be bookmarked for direct access.
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@groundgrid, is it safe to assume the sponsors of the bill will vote for the bill?
House Bill # 58
Primary Sponsor: Mitchell Additional Sponsor(s): Sen. Peterson
CoSponsors: Reps. Barbieri, Bolden, Heffernan, Kowalko, Longhurst, Potter, Schwartzkopf, Scott; Sens. Henry, Sokola
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I sent off a bunch of e-mails to elected fouls yesterday, including turncoat Cathy Cloutier, hers came back as not deliverable(???). I think we have the wrong address. cloutiercathy@aol.com, keeps coming back.
Just looked it up, should be cloutier.cathy@aol.com
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I just email all senate and house reps for city of Wilmington....that will be a hard sell considering the gun violence here....but I am trying
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I sent off a bunch of e-mails to elected fouls yesterday, including turncoat Cathy Cloutier, hers came back as not deliverable(???). I think we have the wrong address. cloutiercathy@aol.com, keeps coming back.
Just looked it up, should be cloutier.cathy@aol.com
Wow Bill, have her personal email. Have her cell number too???
Work Email: catherine.cloutier@state.de.us
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I sent off a bunch of e-mails to elected fouls yesterday, including turncoat Cathy Cloutier, hers came back as not deliverable(???). I think we have the wrong address. cloutiercathy@aol.com, keeps coming back.
Just looked it up, should be cloutier.cathy@aol.com
That cloutier lady is making me think more and that people should be recruited to run against some of these politicians. Since she is a republican I am sure there is probably a conservative democrat who could run in their district. Or maybe a bluedog one if you dont have to live in that district.
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look into the C4L group, they have just that in mind...
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Just a quick update on Cloutier's correct email for everyone. As Radnor stated and Just Bill messaged me, the AOL address seems to be out of date and is incorrect.
Correct email is: catherine.cloutier@state.de.us. I'm going to update threads where this appears on the site.
Thanks!
Moosie
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I think that silverbullet is on the right track. The pro gun community should seek to actively engage pro gun people to run for the state house and senate offices. Both the house representative and senator from my district ran unopposed last election. He is the sponcer of HB-58 and has no intrest in listening to the people who voice there opinion against the bill. I would like to see if there is any intrest among the pro gun community from democrats, republicans and indepents who would be willing to run for office. For representives who support gun control we should make sure that they have to win a primary election against a pro gun canidate of the same party and if they win they would also have to run against a pro gun canidate from the opposing party in the general election. By utilizing the spread sheet provided by groundgrid we could organize a significant effort to remove many of the reps who currently hold office and are not willing to listen to our calls and email messages regarding the proposed gun control bills. Please let me know what you think and if you would be willing to run for office in your district.
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Etrier
I still want to find out if you have to live in a district to run for it. There are many places that you do not. I would love to run against that "lady" Cloutier.
Kevin McBride and Melanie "there is not a lbieral cause I won't support" Marhsall-George-smith-whatever she is calling herself this week are my reps. I have thought about challenging Melanie in a primary election. I am sure it would get very ugly with her.
Even if the candidate does not win there is a good possibility that it could make them not take people for granted as much and re-think somethings.
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Silverbullet has my vote. Now how many others can we get. Do you need a campaign manager? I believe Etrier would do a good job.
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I think that silverbullet is on the right track. The pro gun community should seek to actively engage pro gun people to run for the state house and senate offices. Both the house representative and senator from my district ran unopposed last election. He is the sponcer of HB-58 and has no intrest in listening to the people who voice there opinion against the bill. I would like to see if there is any intrest among the pro gun community from democrats, republicans and indepents who would be willing to run for office. For representives who support gun control we should make sure that they have to win a primary election against a pro gun canidate of the same party and if they win they would also have to run against a pro gun canidate from the opposing party in the general election. By utilizing the spread sheet provided by groundgrid we could organize a significant effort to remove many of the reps who currently hold office and are not willing to listen to our calls and email messages regarding the proposed gun control bills. Please let me know what you think and if you would be willing to run for office in your district.
there is a group out there that has just this in mind.... go to there web and check it out.. they have monthly meetings in all three counties.
http://delawarec4l.org/
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The following is a link to the 2012 Statewide election results:
http://elections.delaware.gov/results/html/election.shtml
There are way too many districts that had unopposed candidates. Someone needs to run in every race. No matter how popular the leading candidate is they are always one Joe Biden moment from loosing. It's amazing how much a difference a little competition will make. Plus, no one really knows hows frustrated the silent majority of voters are.
You do need to be a resident of the district for at least a year. The requirements and detailed instructions are available on-line at:
http://electionsncc.delaware.gov/candidates/cand_info.shtml
What we need to do is start later this year to identify candidates in each district (someone from the range where you shoot, from your church or the guy that is scheduled to retire from where you work).
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I believe that we need to start putting names of candidates willing to run together now. The previous election stats give us some indication why our opposition and protests are heard but our elected officials will do what they want. In the Senate, currently consists of 13 democrats and 8 republicans. Of those 21 districts 8 democrats ran unopposed or had no republican candidate. 6 were totally unopposed. The House consists of 28 democrats and 13 republicans. Of those 41 districts 14 democrats ran unopposed or had no republican candidate. 11 were totally unopposed. We must keep up the pressure with calls and emails for each bill and we need to organize an effort that shows our elected officals that we will persue other means to accomplish our goals. If our written and verbal opposition remains ineffective we must show that we are serious about replacing our representives that will not listen and act when poor ineffective legislation is introduced.
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There are way too many districts that had unopposed candidates. Someone needs to run in every race.
What we need to do is start later this year to identify candidates in each district (someone from the range where you shoot, from your church or the guy that is scheduled to retire from where you work).
@groundgrid, so true. We need to find pro 2nd amendment people no matter what party they are from to run against the unopposed anti-gun people.
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Just remember its not about republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, or moderates. It's about a single issue. Identify the legislators who are anti gun and are weak in their district, then identify some candidates who can beat them either in the primary's or in the election. That's who we should support. Volunteer in campaigns, put up signs, donate money or we could always form a PAC to support gun rights in Delaware. We don't need to win them all, just a majority.
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I am not going to get into the right or wrong aspect of this, but many who voted against our gun rights also voted for same seex marriage. A reasonable argument can be made if its about freedom then why are they against our guns if they are so in favor of rights? Again I am not trying to get in the "Its wrong" or "you cant support rights to guns if you dont support people being happy". I am simply pointing out another issue that may help get some anti-gunners out of office. By any means necessary within the law.
I am sure there are more than a few democrats or republicans like Cloutier who might take major heat for that as well. I actually think a conservative democrat could probably beat her.
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I suspect that we need to re-boot efforts to oppose HB-58, the High Cap Mag Ban. The legislature returns for a final 2 week session. This has been sitting idle, having come out of committee. I don't think we can afford to "whistle down a dark alley" and hope that it never comes for a vote. I expect a last minute push to pass this.
Everyone needs to be calling their Representatives and making some noise, again.
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I suspect that we need to re-boot efforts to oppose HB-58, the High Cap Mag Ban. The legislature returns for a final 2 week session. This has been sitting idle, having come out of committee. I don't think we can afford to "whistle down a dark alley" and hope that it never comes for a vote. I expect a last minute push to pass this.
Everyone needs to be calling their Representatives and making some noise, again.
Agreed, SHe is not my senator, but everyone needs to work on that Cloutier. She needs to know she will pay a price for her treachery. Yes its wrong what is supposed to have happened with those threats, but its no excuse to vote against the constitution and the people who put you into office.
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From the NRA-ILA:
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/5/delawareyour-action-neededtwo-antigun-bills-awaiting-house-vote.aspx
Delaware: Your Action Needed! Two Anti-Gun Bills Awaiting House Vote
The General Assembly has been in recess, but will reconvene in Dover next Tuesday, June 4. Two anti-gun measures are eligible for consideration by the House, and could be voted on as soon as next week. Contact your state Representative and urge his or her opposition to House Bill 58 and House Bill 67!
House Bill 58 (http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis147.nsf/2bede841c6272c888025698400433a04/f8edf03b468ad24885257b2b006dcbb1?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,hb,58), sponsored by state Representative John Mitchell Jr. (D-13), would prohibit the manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer or delivery of magazines with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition. Millions of rifles and tens of millions of handguns designed for self-defense and target shooting by law-abiding citizens use magazines that hold more than ten rounds. If you need a gun for self-defense, should the government dictate how many rounds of ammunition you are allowed to use while defending yourself or another? The answer is NO! This type of proposed law has been proven ineffective at reducing violent crime, only affects responsible gun owners and must be stopped. To get the facts on magazine capacity limits, click here (http://www.gunbanfacts.com/large-capacity-magazines.aspx).
House Bill 67 (http://www.legis.delaware.gov/LIS/LIS147.NSF/vwLegislation/HB+67?Opendocument), sponsored by Representative Darryl M. Scott (D-31), would create a "gun-free zone" around ALL school property – including vehicles and property owned, used, or rented by any public or private school. This legislation will put firearm owners and concealed carry permittees at risk of arrest and felony prosecution by creating an un-navigable maze of legal technicalities and “gotcha” laws.
This overreaching bill fails to address any current crime problem, or ensure the safety of children. Instead, it makes criminals out of legal gun owners who, for example, may just happen to be taking a walk in a park that the school has decided to rent for the day. In this example, even if the person was unaware that this park where they walk every day was being used by the school - without warning - and the person was on the other side of the park where they could not reasonably be presumed to know that a school event was going on, they would still be subject to arrest and felony prosecution and would have no defense under this proposed law.
The ways in which House Bills 58 and 67 will negatively affect law-abiding concealed carry permit holders, gun owners and sportsmen in Delaware are immense. It is clear that neither piece of legislation attempts to improve the safety of anyone – but are just politically motivated attacks on gun owners. Call your state Representative immediately and demand their vote against HB 58 and HB 67. Insist that your state lawmakers instead devote their efforts and resources to crafting laws that address actual crime problems - not laws that merely lay traps for unsuspecting and lawful gun owners.
Contact information for your state Representative can be found here (http://legis.delaware.gov/Legislature.nsf/LDR?OpenPage).
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E-mailed my Senator today.
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I sent the following email regarding HB 67 to my rep who said he forwarded it to the bill's sponsor, Rep Scott.
In my opinion, an unamended HB 67 will keep the sheepdogs from protecting our school children. I don't say this lightly, but your name is on the bill, therefore I will consider that you are responsible if, God forbid, a Sandy Hook occurs in Delaware. Not only are you keeping the CCDW permits holders out of the School Zones, you are causing us to give the schools a wide berth to avoid an unintended felony. Our church has a pre-school in it; are you limiting our options for protection of the congregation? Please amend the bill or vote it down.
I also spoke in opposition to HB 58 when it was being voted on be the committee.
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I emailed, I know it does not good with rep George, smith or whatever she calls herself. I am hoping that Mcbride listens.
I know opinions vary on it, but I do think that mental health bill ( forget the number) where you can be stripped of gun rights without actually doing anything wrong is on a very dangerous slope. I am really surprised the nra supported it and supposed pro-gun reps did not put up more of a fight.
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I just sent an email to my Rep. (Dennis Williams). Attached is the copy.
Dear Mr. Williams- I am writing to you to respectfully request that you vote NO on HB-57 and HB-67. In my opinion (and the opinion of numerous others), these bills will do nothing to make law abiding citizens safer and will actually empower criminals. Magazine capacity limits will only affect the law abiding "average Joe" and not the bad guys. By definition, criminals break the laws. By making concealed carry in "school zones" illegal, two immediate concerns come to mind: 1) The criminal now will be reasonably sure there will be no armed opposition and 2) the typical CCW citizen may stumble into a situation that makes them a felon. Both of these scenarios punish the law abiding members of society and bolster the actual felons. The criminals target the weak, not the strong.
I am a gun owner, permitted concealed carry citizen, constituent and I vote in every election, including primaries and have done so for nearly 40 years. I am concerned with my security and the security of my family and personal property. I am in favor of stopping gun violence, but these bills will have no impact and will, in reality, substantially reduce my security. Please vote NO on these bills.
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The mental health bill is HB 88 which is now in the Senate Judiciary Committee. It needs to be ironclad to avoid abuse. http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/LIS147.nsf/vwLegislation/HB+88?Opendocument
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Only 1 more week to sweat the gunban bills before the current session is over. If not acted on by then they will be dead, unless they are reintroduced in the next session. Attention is now on the budget.
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Only 1 more week to sweat the gunban bills before the current session is over. If not acted on by then they will be dead, unless they are reintroduced in the next session. Attention is now on the budget.
Hopefully...
I've emailed my state rep several times and never recieved a response. I'm still writing to her. She's usually out at our polling place too every election. Next time I'm thanking her for infringing me 2nd Amendment rights for the other bills she's voted for, loudly. Hopefully I'll embarrass her in public.
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don't go after the criminals or enforce the laws. don't pay attention to real facts just use talking points and then make feel happy laws for yourself. hey go after the defenseless citizens ( yup us because we obey and respect the laws..) spend more time working on our budgets, economy, and spending. how about the abuse in social programs.
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HB-58 has already passed the House of Representatives, so the battle moves to the Senate. If Dennis Williams is your Rep, then Cathy Cloutier is probably your Senator. She has NOT been voting in favor of gun rights, having voted for implementation of HB-35, the background checks and SB-16, the lost/stolen reporting.
I'm increasingly concerned about her voting and hope to discuss those concerns, tonight, at the Northern New Castle County Republican meeting.
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My apologies, I was mistaken about HB-58 having passed the House. It has been reported out of committee, only.
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When did HB-58 pass the house?
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I got a call from Harvey Kenton but unfortunately I am not allowed my cell phone at work so I did not get the call myself, it went to voice mail. He seems opposed to both these bills but he stated that he believes the "other side of the aisle" has enough votes to pass both bills. It was not a pre-recorded message and I thought was decent of him to respond in person.
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This was mainly in reply to HB35, which I know Markell already signed into law. Rebecca Long, 9th district.
Thank you for contacting me about your concerns regarding gun control legislation. There are several proposed bills that have yet to come before the full Delaware House of Representatives for a vote; legislation is proposed to limit magazine capacity, eliminate the right to possess a military-style weapon, limit rights to carry firearms near schools and require special reporting. I am a person who has raised her kids to respect weapons and have always had weapons in my home; my husband is a police officer, my daughter has participated in marksmanship events and my sons have hunted on our property. I have not supported and will not support these proposed bills.
House Bill 35 was the bill regarding background checks, and 11 amendments to this bill were introduced. I worked on four of these amendments with the NRA and other constituents. The fee was reduced, the information will be protected, the definition of family was expanded, and the term of borrow/transfer was extended to 14 days to allow organizations time to participate in longer events and use weapons efficiently. I worked hard to address the concerns raised.
I also want you to know that this background check protects us in that if the check is performed, I as the seller cannot be held civically liable for anything illegal that person does with that weapon after I sell my weapon. This bill actually expands my protection as a seller. I discussed these amendments with local gun owners, hunters, gun enthusiasts, and organizational members of other groups like Ducks Unlimited and local hunting groups. After these discussions, and the assurance that these concerns would be addressed and corrected, I was told by all these groups that voting for HB 35 would be okay; I promised that I would not vote for the bill if these amendments did not pass. The above mentioned amendments all passed, added protections for law-abiding citizens were ensured and I voted.
I informed as many of those who called or emailed me that I was considering voting for House Bill 35, and I kept my word to address multiple concerns. I will not vote for any other proposed gun bills; I assure you of that. Please contact me anytime; I really do try hard to compromise and meet the needs of all my constituents as best as possible.
Respectfully,
Rep. Rebecca Walker
9th District
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I got a similiar letter from her. I have spoken on the phone with her several times..we will keep her to her word.
Senator Bruce Ennis will not vote for any gun bill either.