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State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: ESPMan on July 14, 2013, 02:13:44 AM
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Well, he's not guilty. Anyone here still think its a race issue, a gun issue, or any other kind of issue other than a man defended himself?
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NOT GUILTY
Unfortunately the verdict has not really settled anything. To all those who stated that they just wanted an arrest and a trial so that the facts can be heard and they would be satisfied, well, there you go.
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NOT GUILTY
Unfortunately the verdict has not really settled anything. To all those who stated that they just wanted an arrest and a trial so that the facts can be heard and they would be satisfied, well, there you go.
This is true, but now its the die-hard zealots that believe it was racially motivated that they are going to have to worry about now. they made the right verdict, but this case should never have been given the media attention it got given how high profile it was. They turned it into a full-on circus.
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While I have to say GZ could have done a LOT of things differently I'm fairly positive he was forthcoming in what happened and glad to hear the Not Guilty verdict. It was most certainly a political arrest and trial however.
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thought it was going to take into next week.
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Another common misconception people have, is that Trayvon was this little boy. He was 6'2" 200lbs. That's a big boy. That not withstanding, the political dissent around this case was sickening, and the fact that Obama had said "If i had a son he would look like Trayvon" only added fuel to the racial fire. This trial just got way out of hand.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pSJ8XoSlSkQ miami riots or protest?, video true?
http://www.infowars.com/oakland-hit-by-riots-after-zimmerman-verdict/ oakland,
either they are small and contained, and not reported to keep hype down.
Or they did not happen.
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
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If we could put this kind of media attention and this kind of black leader activism on the real problem of violence in the black community than maybe as a country we can come together a little better and actually improve.
(CBS/AP) CHICAGO - Violence in Chicago during the Fourth of July holiday weekend left ten people dead and at least 50 people injured, including two young boys shot in different parks, reports CBS Chicago.
A 7-year-old boy was shot Thursday night and Jaden Donald, 5, has undergone multiple surgeries since being shot in the abdomen early Friday morning in a park, CBS Chicago reported.
A 17-year-old man was fatally shot by police on Thursday after he allegedly pointed a gun at officers, police say.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592638-504083/chicago-violence-fourth-of-july-holiday-weekend-shootings-leave-10-dead-55-wounded-report-says/
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miami riots or protest?, video true?
The alleged Miami video shows mountains in the background so I am guessing it is somewhere else.
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The Chief of Police said it all. A group of people came to Sanford and demanded an arrest, a firing , charges and a trial. He said they got what they demanded. Mob justice. Never had anything to do with justice, Only PC. Another division for race in America. Thanks Obama.
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on the trial, this is the wrong attitude to have in a forum like this. the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
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Oldgraygeek is totally wrong in this. He obviously does not know or care about the facts presented in this case in court. This should have never gone to trial, and if it hadn't been for an overzelous politically motivated woman in the Stanford legal government, this would trial would have never happened. This case was never heard by a grand jury. If it had, it would have been dropped as self-defense then. The problem is too many people watched slanted news from such as CNN and MSNBC, who were hoping to stur up racial trouble. People like the un-Reverend Al (Tawana B.) Sharpton and the un-Reverend Jesse (runs women behind his wifes back) Jackson, and our own President Obamanation are race baiters, and never miss an opertunity to use a situation to cause divide between the races, classes, and masses.
I just hope OGG never serves on a jury, with the outlook he has shown here. The facts, as presented by the prosecution and defense are the only thing relevant. The jury as selected by the Prosecution and ok's by the Defense, has spoken. CASE CLOSED!
MOVE ON! JUSTICE FOR ALL has been served.
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I don't know their names yet but there are six female former jurors out there that have dinner on me!
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I feel GZ was wrong in initially following him. Should have stayed in his car, and waited for police. But TM had every chance to leave, and did disappear behind a building once, only to reappear and walk around GZ's car. At that point, TM stalked and attacked. So I agree with the verdict 100%. As CCDW holders, we have a duty to not instigate issues. On a personal level, if he was standing outside MY house in the rain, I would go check him out. But if I was on watch in my own neighborhood and saw him outside someone else's house, I would stay in my car and watch from a distance, while calling the police.
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I feel GZ was wrong in initially following him. Should have stayed in his car, and waited for police. ... As CCDW holders, we have a duty to not instigate issues. ... But if I was on watch in my own neighborhood and saw him outside someone else's house, I would stay in my car and watch from a distance, while calling the police.
This is my point.
On this forum, there is pretty much unanimous agreement that we, as armed civilians, should AVOID confrontations.
Zimmerman sought one out.
... the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
Like Zimmerman, you mean? I agree totally.
When new restrictions on concealed carry and self-defense are proposed, we can sign George Zimmerman's name to them.
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on the trial, this is the wrong attitude to have in a forum like this. the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
Like it or not Oldgraygeek is entitled to his opinion......
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Oldgraygeek is totally wrong in this. He obviously does not know or care about the facts presented in this case in court. This should have never gone to trial, and if it hadn't been for an overzelous politically motivated woman in the Stanford legal government, this would trial would have never happened. This case was never heard by a grand jury. If it had, it would have been dropped as self-defense then. The problem is too many people watched slanted news from such as CNN and MSNBC, who were hoping to stur up racial trouble. People like the un-Reverend Al (Tawana B.) Sharpton and the un-Reverend Jesse (runs women behind his wifes back) Jackson, and our own President Obamanation are race baiters, and never miss an opertunity to use a situation to cause divide between the races, classes, and masses.
I just hope OGG never serves on a jury, with the outlook he has shown here. The facts, as presented by the prosecution and defense are the only thing relevant. The jury as selected by the Prosecution and ok's by the Defense, has spoken. CASE CLOSED!
MOVE ON! JUSTICE FOR ALL has been served.
Strum this was heard by the Grand Jury the DA is currently under arrest for lying to the Jury and withholding evidence
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on the trial, this is the wrong attitude to have in a forum like this. the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
for the record. this is only greygeeks opinion. not anyone else's.
and especially Not my opinion or thoughts ect. Like oj the system went through the process. move on.
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Sig,
According to articles in the Washington Post and Huffington Post both, Florida Special Prosecutor Angela Corey bypassed the Grand Jury and made a direct charge in the Zimmerman case. Her motive according to the articles was "she didn't trust the honest people of a Grand Jury" to charge Zimmerman, so she did it herself. I'm sure the reason wasd political pressure from local black groups, "Reverend" Al Sharpton, "Reverend" Jesse Jackson, and Barrack Obama's statements. Might I suggest, she wanted to use this as a political sprimgboard to higher office?
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The real problem here is that the media is focusing on this & not paying attention to the real problems. This is why people will sign a petition to give up the bill of rights. I swear as I watch the yrs go by people get more brilliant by the minute. Our whole news media is a joke and run by a few. We have so many serious problems facing us that I'm not sure anymore if we'll ever climb out of the hole. I do agree however that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car like you are told if you ever went to a neighbor hood watch class. TM was looking for trouble & he found it..a young man who punched the wrong guy & that's when he crossed the line & died for it.
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on the trial, this is the wrong attitude to have in a forum like this. the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
Like it or not Oldgraygeek is entitled to his opinion......
I will say I like and respect that 100% about this site. There are some sites that some complaints can get someone into trouble. I am proud to be a part of a group that agrees to disagree.
As Daniel Patrick Moynihan ( D-NY) once said "We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts"
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion on the trial, this is the wrong attitude to have in a forum like this. the last thing we need in society is a CCDW vigilante.
Like it or not Oldgraygeek is entitled to his opinion......
Everyone is entitled to there opinion. IMHO anyone that posts that he would take the law into his own hands and murder someone should not have a CCDW permit.
Old gray you have made an incorrect assumption. GZ had no intent on confronting anyone. He only wanted to observe and report to the police. Thats why he is Innocent. You unlike GZ seem to be willing to confront and murder someone. I feel much safer with GZ on the streets than you. You scare the hell out of me old gray. I hope your comments are a result of your frustration and not really true.
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I think the persons breaking into the homes are the ones that are responsible for TMs death. I would really like to see them convicted of the manslaughter of TM. IMHO the real persons that caused the Martins to have lost there son have not been brought to Justice. And won't be because everyone wanted to blame GZ instead.
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Not that I really care about the opinion of a newbie with 8 posts...
but, if you wouldn't protect or avenge your own family, maybe YOU shouldn't have a CCDW permit... or a gun. Buy a baseball bat, or a dog, instead.
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Not that I really care about the opinion of a newbie with 8 posts...
but, if you wouldn't protect or avenge your own family, maybe YOU shouldn't have a CCDW permit... or a gun. Buy a baseball bat, or a dog, instead.
Protect, yes. Avenge, no.
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I have been gone for the last 3 days and home to catch up on the forum posts.
I must say this thread has a lot of "wind" passing through. Very windy opinions. :)
It has been a most interesting read.
Each state has there CCDW laws and procedures but prudence always seems best in all occasions.
I hope we all carry for personal protection of life and property, an avoid a "situation" if at all possible. This my thought but I will be prepared IF a "situation" ever exists.
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I think the persons breaking into the homes are the ones that are responsible for TMs death. I would really like to see them convicted of the manslaughter of TM. IMHO the real persons that caused the Martins to have lost there son have not been brought to Justice. And won't be because everyone wanted to blame GZ instead.
I hate to bust your bubble, but I would suspect he was one of them...he really wasn't a nice church going almost a man. Kinda reminds me of the young man I meet in a hoody on a warm summer morning a few yrs ago. He was walking down the street coming toward me on the opposite side. As we approached each other & were about 40 ft apart he starts coming toward me. At 20' or so I place my hand on my gun & tell him to stop as I did and asked him what he wanted. I could see he had something in his rt hand but it wasn't full light yet so I couldn't make it out. I asked him what he wanted & he said just the time dude. I told him around 0530 & do not come any closer as I started backing up. He continued to the other side of the street & continued down the street. Later that day a County Police Sargent knocked on my door & asked for a description of the hoody person. He had broken into approx 10 cars in the area that morning. The officer & I talked for almost an hr. He was a real nice guy & was happy I was walking the neighborhood every morning & wished there were more like me. He got mine name from one of the neighbors who was robbed & sees me every morning out for a walk. So I guess this could have ended like Zimmerman had I not be aware of my surroundings & on the defense. This kid was a white drug addict so I guess it wouldn't have made the AP wire service.
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Someone here, appears only to watch MSNBC and CNN, where they only air very left oriented views of the world. This same person expressed an interest in lynching Zimmerman before the trial was over. Perhaps he did not know (only watching CNN and MSNBC), that Martin was a dope dealer, was thrown out of school twice for drug possession, and possession of jewelry also burglary tools. He was a street fighter who organised street fights, had many gang tatooes, but was portrayed by most of the media as a sweet twelve year old kid, based on the pictures they showed, convenient half truths, and ommissions of fact (as usual).
The police and attorney general were not going to press charges, until Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson entered the picture and stirrred up liberals and blacks. The governor appointed this woman http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-criminally-indicted-by-cit, to take over the prosecution. She by passed a grand jury because she knew there was no winable case, witheld evidence (illegally), and fired a whistle blower who reported her illegal actions.
In the past two days, I have seen many state and county proscuters on TV, state that this trial should never have been held, and was a gross waste of money and time. The president of the national prosecuters association was one of them.
Travon Martin, street fighter, followed Zimmerman to his truck, punched him in the nose, knocking him down, then preceded to punch him and beat his head on the sidewalk.
Regardless of Zimmerman's actions, previous to this, if he thought his life or body were in serious danger he had a legal right to shoot. Not to mention Martin supposedly said he was going to kill Zimmerman, and Zimmerman said Martin tried to get his gun. Under these circumstances I would shoot and I bet most here would.
We will never know exactly what happened, because we only can hear Zimmerman's side of the story, BUT there clearly was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman, and I personally salute the six women on the jury.
As far as our left-wing member is concerned, he has a right to his opinion, but should expect to be blasted on THIS site, for some of his liberal opinions.
He at times, makes good posts, and at times, not so good posts. As for me I'll simply try to ignore the left-wing posts. Maybe if he stays here long enough, he will see the light (truth) and become more moderate. If not, I'll say this, if I ever need a brain transplant, I want a liberal brain, because I know that it has had little use.
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There has been exaggeration on both sides. Snopes website has report from the medical examiner stating he was 5'11", 154 pounds, with no tattoos. The #JusticeforTrayvon gang on twitter is listing his 3.8 GPA and acceptance to college on twitter, yet no school records have been released.
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I think the persons breaking into the homes are the ones that are responsible for TMs death. I would really like to see them convicted of the manslaughter of TM. IMHO the real persons that caused the Martins to have lost there son have not been brought to Justice. And won't be because everyone wanted to blame GZ instead.
I hate to bust your bubble, but I would suspect he was one of them...he really wasn't a nice church going almost a man. Kinda reminds me of the young man I meet in a hoody on a warm summer morning a few yrs ago. He was walking down the street coming toward me on the opposite side. As we approached each other & were about 40 ft apart he starts coming toward me. At 20' or so I place my hand on my gun & tell him to stop as I did and asked him what he wanted. I could see he had something in his rt hand but it wasn't full light yet so I couldn't make it out. I asked him what he wanted & he said just the time dude. I told him around 0530 & do not come any closer as I started backing up. He continued to the other side of the street & continued down the street. Later that day a County Police Sargent knocked on my door & asked for a description of the hoody person. He had broken into approx 10 cars in the area that morning. The officer & I talked for almost an hr. He was a real nice guy & was happy I was walking the neighborhood every morning & wished there were more like me. He got mine name from one of the neighbors who was robbed & sees me every morning out for a walk. So I guess this could have ended like Zimmerman had I not be aware of my surroundings & on the defense. This kid was a white drug addict so I guess it wouldn't have made the AP wire service.
First that's racist!!!! Trayvon was a saint.
Yeah and I am the pope
I actually don't the situation you described would even make the front page of the news urinal unless it was around a gun control bill debate trying to fool the sheep.
People are just ticked that the judge did everything she could to hand the prosecutors a conviction yet justice prevailed according to 6 people. I can't believe how obviously one sided the judge was. For every 3 things she would not let in for the defense she might have gave them 1 little win.
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Yeah and I am the pope
No wounder you were trying to lure me into the confesion booth. tsk tsk.
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This in today. Some of the things that the judge disallowed to be intered in testimony. Martin was known to buy, sell, and use marijuana, buy and sell handguns, and a former girl friend was not allowed to testify that she left him because he liked to get in fights. This was on CNN.
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Not JUST the biased judge. The court stenographer did everything she could to make faces during the testimony. Everything was dreamy when prosecution was up. Everything was sour when the defense was speaking. Not just my imagination or even others that noted the same unprofessionalism.
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I've posted on this before...
Zimmerman had no business following this kid, let alone getting out of his car and confronting him.
Maybe under Florida law he was not guilty as charged, but I'll say this in no uncertain terms:
If Trayvon Martin was my child, George Zimmerman would have only a few hours left to live.
Everyone has the right to their opionion...for the record...not my view or my opionion..
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Lums, I have seen too many pictures on the web and TV of Martin with tats, to believe that.
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Odd how this latino shooting a black teen is getting so many people upset and infuriated. Have we forgotten that back in the end of March 2013, there were 2 black teens in Georgia, that shot a 13 month old Latino (Santiago) infant in the face, nearly point plant and then shot his mother also. It got about 2 days news coverage, and I'm betting most of you don't even remember it now 4 months later. No public out cry, not protest, no riots, not cries for justice (which to some justice is confused with revenge)for this 13 month old infant or his mom.
Now we have a young male latino, shooting and 17 year old black youth in self defense, as proven by a jury trial, and everyone is going ape $h87 over it.
The reason is people don't read anymore, to find out the truth, they listen to unfactual comment s made by unknowledgible morons on theing such as Twitter, Facebook, and the Left-Wing Liberal Media.
No wonder this country is "going to hell in a handbasket" and the Goberment is part of the cause and not the solution. The majority of the public are robots, be told wht to think and what to believe, by very evil people.
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The reason is people don't read anymore, to find out the truth, they listen to unfactual comment s made by unknowledgible morons on theing such as Twitter, Facebook, and the Left-Wing Liberal Media.
Well, that certainly is part of it, at least for the followers. I firmly believe that the media screens their stories through their misconstrued beliefs of how bad America, specifically white America, is as a nation. They want a soap box to stand on to preach to us. There is no moral high ground they can claim by reporting another black on black crime as daily life in Chicago, or any number of big cities, has become. If Hispanic on black crimes were important we would be hearing stories daily coming out of Los Angeles like this one:
When a friend came to visit, four men in a black SUV pulled up and called him a "n*gger," saying black people were barred from the neighborhood, according to Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies. They jumped out, drew a gun on him and beat him with metal pipes.
It was just the beginning of what detectives said was a campaign by a Latino street gang to force an African American family to leave
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/25/local/la-me-0126-compton-20130126
I believe the media, aided by race baiters like Al Sharpton, jumped on the story as it began gaining attention because of Zimmerman’s name without bothering to look into what race or ethnicity he might really be. Zimmerman sound Jewish and in case you don’t know what Brother Al thinks of Jews look here:
During the funeral for Gavin Cato, whose accidental death sparked the infamous Crown Heights riots in 1991, Sharpton fueled violence against Jews by using the term "diamond merchants" at the boy's funeral. He also paraded with a mob of hundreds in front of Chabad-Lubavitch headquarters who shouted, "Whose streets? Our streets!" and "No justice, no peace!"
http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/sharpton.php
Does that “No justice, no peace” sound familiar?
Back on point, I believe the race baiters jumped on this story thinking they had another Jew in their crosshairs and by the time they realized he was neither white nor Jewish it was too late. They laid their foundation for attack and nothing as simple as the facts would get in their way so they made up a whole new, never heard of category of “White-Hispanic” so they could keep their narrative on point.
Sharpton was not the only one. The New Black Panther Party joined in as if for some reason they were now relevant:
During a 2012 interview on the streets of Jacksonville, Fl., one of the leaders of the New Black Panthers, Mikhail Muhammad, told a group of reporters that Trayvon Martin has “been assassinated by a wicked white beast.”
Muhammad went on to call Zimmerman a “no good Jew.”
The press conference was held to call attention to the $10,000 bounty the New Black Panthers have placed on the head of George Zimmerman, who is now awaiting the jury’s ruling.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/new-black-panther-party-finds-way-to-inject-anti-semitism-into-zimmerman-case/
The followers have been led around by the nose by the so called “leaders” of their community into believing this sad, unfortunate case was something it is not.
The race baiters need racial strife because it makes them relevant and puts money in their pocket. Think about it, if we found racial harmony in this country what would Sharpton, Jackson and the others do with themselves? If you want to know if there is racism in the Zimmerman case then it is here in the media coverage and lies of the so called “leaders” of the black community.
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I misspoke Frank. The medical examiner's report on the death of Trayvon Martin indicated that the deceased was actually 5'11" and weighed 158 lbs., and he had two tattoos, none of which was on his face, neck, or the back of his hands (one was on his right arm and the other on his left wrist). Read more at http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.asp#MsDOlipXwRzKhJmA.99
Link here to the medical examiners autopsy report:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/martin.autopsy.pdf
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About time to move on soon.
Justice For Zimmerman.
You know it's coming ..
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Just to clear up the confusion, see below:
JUSTICE=the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause. 2. rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; ...
REVENGE= to avenge (as oneself) usually by retaliating in kind or degree. 2. : to inflict injury in return for <revenge an insult>. — re·veng·er noun ...
There seems to be a lot of confusion. Trayvon Martin got Justice, Goerge Zimmerman got Justice, but it seems those not intelligent enough to read the evidence and judgement by the court just want REVENGE. This is a country of LAWS, not People.
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Sturm, Hawkeye, do not forget Jesse Jackson's "Himie Town" remark. Also it appears as though Holder's injustice dept. had a hand in fomenting riots and violence.
http://www.capitolhilldaily.com/2013/07/george-zimmerman-crs-scandal/#more
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Thought this was funny. Click on the pic for a larger view.
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That's a goodin" Hawk!
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http://money.msn.com/investing/americas-most-dangerous-cities
Most violent cities in America
Maybe instead of attacking our second amendment rights and worrying about getting rid of stand your ground laws politicians ( especially from the left) and so called civil rights activist like Sharpton and Jackson should look at these cities and figure out why places like Pittsburg or Tuscaloosa are not as violent yet these places are.
You combine poverty with a victim mentality an lack of accountability bad things will happen as evident in these cities. The irony is policies of the left helped create and perpetuate them just for the purpose of insuring a voting block
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There is also the issue of the dole. When you have been on the dole for a considerable length of time, or even for your entire life, you come to believe that you are entitled to that dole—that it belongs to you as a right.
Then, all of your perceptions are colored by those feelings of entitlement and ownership. You begin to imagine that, since you're being given stuff, everybody must be being given stuff, just as you are.
So then you have to question why some people have more and better stuff than you do. Why are they being given all of this better stuff? Why are they more favored by the gods of the handout than you are?
And then the anger against this "injustice" rises in your breast, and then, since nobody has ever taught you self-restraint or social responsibility, you strike out in anger against this perceived injustice, under which you seem to be suffering.
At best, you break into other people's houses and steal the better, more abundant stuff that they have been "given." At worst, you beat up, or even kill, those better-endowed people who have more and better stuff than you do.
And when you're caught and punished, you and your friends see it as unfair and unjust. After all, you were just taking what might just as well been given to you. So why are you being punished?
So your friends riot to protest that perceived injustice. But the funny thing is that your friends riot and bust-up your own neighborhood, probably because it's convenient, but also possibly because you're a little afraid to bust-up the folks who have been "given" more stuff, because of their friends, the police.
And anyway, after you've busted-up your neighborhood, you know that the gods of the gimme will just rebuild it for you, free.
So the cycle is perpetuated. You and your friends never learn responsibility or restraint. And on it goes.
Not my words, copied from the USCCA site.
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Just GET OVER IT! Zimmerman was found NOt GUILTY,keep Sharpton, Jackson and the NAACP out of this.And Keep Noboma and the government out.I'am sure there are other things they can find to do without wasting the tax payers money on a fed.investigation.
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A panel of women on a talk show confirmed the issue. “ Zimmerman chose to be there. He chose to be neighborhood watch person. He chose to call the police. He chose to follow Trayvon. He chose to stand his ground. He chose to kill someone so that he may stay alive. He chose to murder for his own survival.”
They were trying to make him a murderer. Think about that for minute.
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There is also the issue of the dole. When you have been on the dole for a considerable length of time, or even for your entire life, you come to believe that you are entitled to that dole—that it belongs to you as a right.
Then, all of your perceptions are colored by those feelings of entitlement and ownership. You begin to imagine that, since you're being given stuff, everybody must be being given stuff, just as you are.
So then you have to question why some people have more and better stuff than you do. Why are they being given all of this better stuff? Why are they more favored by the gods of the handout than you are?
And then the anger against this "injustice" rises in your breast, and then, since nobody has ever taught you self-restraint or social responsibility, you strike out in anger against this perceived injustice, under which you seem to be suffering.
At best, you break into other people's houses and steal the better, more abundant stuff that they have been "given." At worst, you beat up, or even kill, those better-endowed people who have more and better stuff than you do.
And when you're caught and punished, you and your friends see it as unfair and unjust. After all, you were just taking what might just as well been given to you. So why are you being punished?
So your friends riot to protest that perceived injustice. But the funny thing is that your friends riot and bust-up your own neighborhood, probably because it's convenient, but also possibly because you're a little afraid to bust-up the folks who have been "given" more stuff, because of their friends, the police.
And anyway, after you've busted-up your neighborhood, you know that the gods of the gimme will just rebuild it for you, free.
So the cycle is perpetuated. You and your friends never learn responsibility or restraint. And on it goes.
Not my words, copied from the USCCA site.
Glad other people see it. There are places on the net that are so afraid having that conversation because of "public image" not realizing that nothing will change if we dont look at the problems.
It is also great to be part of a site were people are not afraid to say this or other things. I might not always agree with opinions, but I do respect the rights of people to their opinions.
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A panel of women on a talk show confirmed the issue. “ Zimmerman chose to be there. He chose to be neighborhood watch person. He chose to call the police. He chose to follow Trayvon. He chose to stand his ground. He chose to kill someone so that he may stay alive. He chose to murder for his own survival.”
They were trying to make him a murderer. Think about that for minute.
People can make him a murderer if america lets them. It is a sick society ( see 08, 12, election results). Ultimately if certain groups like the NAACP, SPLC, ACLU and groups like that want his tail they might get those federal charges.
I don't agree with it, but see the changes ( not not all good) that have happened.
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A panel of women on a talk show confirmed the issue. “ Zimmerman chose to be there. He chose to be neighborhood watch person. He chose to call the police. He chose to follow Trayvon. He chose to stand his ground. He chose to kill someone so that he may stay alive. He chose to murder for his own survival.”
They were trying to make him a murderer. Think about that for minute.
Talk shows are just that: talk. They have celebrities on there, not individuals educated on the facts. Celebrities to catch the public eye. I take everything they say with less than a grain of salt.
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A panel of women on a talk show confirmed the issue.
I do not know what show you are talking about but if it is "The View" you probably should put a disclaimer on you post warning everybody that their "opinions" in no way, shape, or form represents logical thinking and will make your head hurt.
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It is a crazy world when you can point to Charles Barkley as a voice of reason. I may not agree with everything he says but he is sure going int he right direction.
Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.
And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html)
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After the trial evidence, 16 weeks of FBI investigation, the Zimmerman prosecuter saying there was no racism in the case, this is NOT an example of racial profiling. Holder, Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, the left-wing media, are all trying very hard to make the cases for racism, where there is none. The question is why are they doing this? It only serves to further drive the stake which is dividing the races. "Some people" believe it is a deliberate attemp to further their agendas. Instead of dividing the country's different factions, this President should step up, actually BE President, and try to put this country back together. If he does not, it may prove "some people" to be correct in their thinking.
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It is a crazy world when you can point to Charles Barkley as a voice of reason. I may not agree with everything he says but he is sure going int he right direction.
Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.
And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/18/charles_barkley_on_zimmerman_trial_i_agree_with_the_verdict.html)
He will get called a "sell out" or "uncle tom" because of that one.
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Frank, you are so right!
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A panel of women on a talk show confirmed the issue.
I do not know what show you are talking about but if it is "The View" you probably should put a disclaimer on you post warning everybody that their "opinions" in no way, shape, or form represents logical thinking and will make your head hurt.
We need a "like" button on here.
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The main point the Charles Barkley made in my mind was that All Racist AreNnot White. Sharpton and Jackson are certainly Black Racist, and Race Baiters! It's the only thing that gives them wealth and power. I wonder what God thinks of these so called "Reverends"?
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People need to move on. People need to stop saying this had anything to do with race, profiling, Stand Your Ground, went looking for a confrontation, vigilantism, hunted down anyone, etc as there is absolutely NO proof that points to any of this. The press, the hate mongrels, the race haters, the politically empowered and the POTUS need to shut the hell up.
Zimmerman was doing his public and community service as a volunteer community watch and came upon someone who had no reason to be in their gated community and was suspicious. He followed this person while at the same time contacting the authorities. Personally I think he made a bad choice in getting out of the car that night but that was his choice and the authorities on the phone didn't tell him not to.
In the end the only person alive today is the only person who truly knows what happened that night and there is no proof that points to anything but his words regardless of what anyone thinks. You, them nor I will ever know exactly what happened that night!
He was prosecuted, went to trial and, by jury, was found Not Guilty. This should be End Of Story!
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People need to move on. People need to stop saying this had anything to do with race, profiling, Stand Your Ground, went looking for a confrontation, vigilantism, hunted down anyone, etc as there is absolutely NO proof that points to any of this. The press, the hate mongrels, the race haters, the politically empowered and the POTUS need to shut the hell up.
Zimmerman was doing his public and community service as a volunteer community watch and came upon someone who had no reason to be in their gated community and was suspicious. He followed this person while at the same time contacting the authorities. Personally I think he made a bad choice in getting out of the car that night but that was his choice and the authorities on the phone didn't tell him not to.
In the end the only person alive today is the only person who truly knows what happened that night and there is no proof that points to anything but his words regardless of what anyone thinks. You, them nor I will ever know exactly what happened that night!
He was prosecuted, went to trial and, by jury, was found Not Guilty. This should be End Of Story!
"End of story"
That is how this usually works, but certain people wont rest until ZImmerman is dead or in jail. The fact they are even discussing hate crime or federal civil rights violations is just one example of how political correctness ruined and is ruining our great nation.
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Agree entirely with that. I've never been a proponent of Political Correctness. It does nothing good in the long run as more and more people are beginning to see and understand.
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I agree, but as long as Jessee, Al, Holder, Obama, the press, and media keep race baiting, this will not end, if it does end, it will not end well.
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"Back in my youth. In a land I once knew. We proudly saluted the red, white, and blue. the home of the free I refuse to forgot. I'm Politically incorrect. I think what I think and I say what I say. That used to be the American way"
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I agree, but as long as Jessee, Al, Holder, Obama, the press, and media keep race baiting, this will not end, if it does end, it will not end well.
And there is the problem. Every time I turn on a news channel, they keep bringing up the case. They need to SERIOUSLY drop it. I also think that the media has a responsibility to meet that end, but they wont do it because they are making too much money off of it. Every single one of them has coverage that's "more shocking" or more "in-depth" just to rile the public up even more. Makes me sick.
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We have sufficiently discussed this, so let close this topic.
ADMINS, what say you.
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I think this dead horse has been beaten enough.