Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => General CCW Discussion => Topic started by: joep19934 on July 02, 2014, 12:07:22 AM
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I went up to Lancaster today and applied for my non-resident Carry permit.
My outcome is as follows
OK the Good ------------
They were all very friendly as everyone on here has said & metered parking was plentiful right around the corner.
Think I only dished out $2.25 for my stay !
I was allowed to leave $20 lighter but with no permit in hand and nothing around them at least ::) ??? -------> Explained below in the Bad !
It was a nice ride up on the Harley and stopped up on Route 40 to look at some new helmets.
I get my $20 back but the Secretary said it will take a while.
Ok the Bad
I didn't get my Non-Resident PA Carry - I was DECLINED as there was a Warrant Out for Arrest for someone with the same name as me ( They were arrested for a DUI in Philly ) that is all the info I got.... I have no idea where the license they used was issued the Officer didn't tell me.
The person working for the State of PA that was running my background flagged me and denied my application without verifying it was me - They Never looked at my Birth Date or asked for a photo or copy of my License from the person taking care of my application in the Sheriffs Office.
One of the Officers from Lancaster verified it wasn't me from the photo that was filed with the Arrest in Philly and also the person was 2 years older. Funny thing is it was the same Month & Day......
I'm suspecting Identity Theft but only for a Drivers License, I never had any banking or credit issues that I know of.
Anyway I know have to contest PA State for declining my application and it could takes weeks or months now to get this straightened out....
And here I am showing up with all the needed forms filled out and a copy of my DE drivers License and Carry permit who would have known
I told the girls in the Office it wasn't a total loss if it happened as a Traffic stop it could have been worse and more inconvenient.
At least we all joked about it after it all happened and I don't blame anyone there it was there person at the State for not going the extra step.
I mean after all I told them do you really think I'd be there knowing I had a warrant out for my Arrest --- They laughed and said well we have seen other scenarios. ;D
So now more paperwork for me & it sucks being treated like a criminal when you are innocent ! ;)
I was detained for like 20-30 minutes until they found out I was who I claimed to be and that I was never arrested for a DUI in Philly PA wish I had known there was going to be an issue before going through all this ! ::)
I have been told on my PICS form the arrest of this other person was New Jersey and not Philly !
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Bummer! No possibility that the sheriff will reconsider and issue the permit after investigating the circumstances?
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Bummer! No possibility that the sheriff will reconsider and issue the permit after investigating the circumstances?
I didn't speak to the Sheriff personally but the girls in the office told me I had to fill out the Challenge form and wait for a Waiver or whatever form that will be sent from PA State Police.
I was told it could take up to 2 weeks or more to get the form back from the State Police.
Once I have that form I will be allowed to apply again for my Non-Resident Carry, I have more time off the begging of September if I get the Form sooner I may take a personal day and take a ride back up.
They know it was not me that was Arrested in Philly on a DUI but they said there was a procedure and I will abide by what they say.
NO WORRIES I'm sending out the form tomorrow priority
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I wish I could say the Moral to this Story but in this case there is none.
It wasn't my Fault and not the Lancaster Sheriff's Office
It never fails with me I have the worst luck but my persistence makes up for it !
I WILL GET IT its a matter of when !
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Better this way then being pulled over by a hot headed LEO who sees an arrest warrant and DUI when running your plates. A PITA for sure but at least you're more then likely to get it once you can reapply and this has been sorted out.
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Better this way then being pulled over by a hot headed LEO who sees an arrest warrant and DUI when running your plates. A PITA for sure but at least you're more then likely to get it once you can reapply and this has been sorted out.
That's exactly what I told the girls in the Office and they were like OMG ! Yes you're better off at least now if you get pulled over tell them to call over here and we'll Vouch for you !
I thought that was awesome of them !
I will be back the paperwork is filed out and going priority mail within the hour ! I'll keep this up to date !
Just in case someone else has to go through this !
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Probably would be a good idea to carry copies of the paper work showing you are not the guy in the PA. DUI case, and keep the originals in a safe or lock box. I'd keep a copy in any and all vehicles you may be driving.
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Probably would be a good idea to carry copies of the paper work showing you are not the guy in the PA. DUI case, and keep the originals in a safe or lock box. I'd keep a copy in any and all vehicles you may be driving.
That's the funny thing I was never given anything on paper stating it wasn't me as of yet.
I'm not sure if its worth going over to Troop 3 and see if they can get involved in this.
I'm not sure if they can do anything or not ??? ::) !
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I had a similar experience when I applied here in DE last year. The AG office called me and said I have a restraining order on me in New York. I said it was impossible, but they insisted there was someone with my name and exact birthday that had the blot on his record. 2 nerve wracking hours later, he called back and said they concluded it couldn't be me as logistically it would be impossible for me to be in 2 places at the same time. It just goes to show that computers have made this type of error more likely.
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When I first moved to DE and applied for a driver's license, the clerk at the DMV said, "No, you're revoked in New York."
Lucky for me, I took a look at the greenbar-paper printout on her desk... and pointed out that the revoked person -- with the same first & last name and middle initial -- had been born exactly ten years to the day before me.
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Probably would be a good idea to carry copies of the paper work showing you are not the guy in the PA. DUI case, and keep the originals in a safe or lock box. I'd keep a copy in any and all vehicles you may be driving.
That's the funny thing I was never given anything on paper stating it wasn't me as of yet.
I'm not sure if its worth going over to Troop 3 and see if they can get involved in this.
I'm not sure if they can do anything or not ??? ::) !
So sorry to see that you are going through this. I know you will keep us all up to date on this.
Obviously the PICS system in PA accesses a different data base than NICS or you might have had trouble when you go to buy a gun.
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For future reference:
The following site has links to various PA counties that post their arrest warrants online:
http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Pennsylvania-Warrants.htm
In DE, all arrest warrants are published on the following official State site:
It even includes mug shots.
https://pubsrv.deljis.delaware.gov/WantedPublic/Default.aspx
Maybe I'm paranoid but I occasionally check my own name & my employees.
It might be useful to post these & other similar sites as a sticky for everyone's future reference.
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For future reference:
The following site has links to various PA counties that post their arrest warrants online:
http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Pennsylvania-Warrants.htm
In DE, all arrest warrants are published on the following official State site:
It even includes mug shots.
https://pubsrv.deljis.delaware.gov/WantedPublic/Default.aspx
Maybe I'm paranoid but I occasionally check my own name & my employees.
It might be useful to post these & other similar sites as a sticky for everyone's future reference.
Thanks for the Links but my paperwork was sent in to the PA State Police its up to them now to fix their screw-up...
It amazes me how some people hate their Jobs and just do minimum work to get by but others pay the price for their laziness!!!!
I'm patient to a point I will keep an on eye on the tracking number to make sure it was delivered !
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Ok I just verified the Paperwork had been delivered !
Now the waiting game !
I'll keep everyone up to date !
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I received a letter from PA State Police today saying they need my finger prints to determine whether a person with a similar last name and date of birth is in fact me or not. The Arrest Records shows the State as New Jersey.
Um I know its not me but this is getting to be a pain in the @@@ now !
I would just say screw it and not bother but I think its best to clear this up so it doesn't lead to more problems down the road.
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Do you have to go up there or can you get a set done in Delaware and send it up?
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Do you have to go up there or can you get a set done in Delaware and send it up?
I do not know :(
I tried to call the number on the letter I got but it went to Voicemail.
I'll keep trying the next few days.
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Ok I got a call from PA PICS Officer and he told me the prints have to be done in PA.... >:( ??? ::)
So do I drive up to Lancaster State Police or Philly State Police ??????????
What PA Trooper Barracks is nearest or should I say least painful to get to from Delaware ???? :-\
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Avondale barracks is on Route 41. Only 3 or 4 miles from Delaware line.
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Phone number is 610-268-2022
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Phone number is 610-268-2022
Thank you it looks like its only an hour fifteen minutes or so from home and work....
I'll call them tomorrow and see if they can take care of it for me......
Thank you !
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These things are a real PITA for working stiffs. Hope it all works out Joek
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******** News Update ********
I took off work early yesterday and drove up to Avondale.
I called while on the way up there and of course didn't get a callback.
Anyway I got up there waited almost a half hour. I was told someone else was getting fingerprinted then thinking its my turn when the Trooper emerged he proceeds to tell " Sorry the LiveScan is down & not working " You can try somewhere else.
So before driving all the way back home with nothing to show for the 2 1/2 - 3 hour round trip I asked if he could write down the address for the nearest Trooper Barracks to Avondale he gave me the info and before even going there I called and asked if their LiveScan machine was working and they said " NO we think the System is down Statewide "
Anyway I'm close to just forgetting about this whole Non-resident PA Carry Permit but I need to clear myself with the arrest record of someone else in New Jersey !!!!
What to do I guess more time off from work is coming up soon again !
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Don't give up on the permit!
After the necessary but tedious job of clearing your name, the trip to Lancaster will be a pleasure.
Hang in there. :)
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Don't give up on the permit!
After the necessary but tedious job of clearing your name, the trip to Lancaster will be a pleasure.
Hang in there. :)
Well I found out some information today about the 2nd me in N.J.
I'm pretty sure its Camden N.J. ( Evesham Township ) --- I was able to speak to a Detective there in New Jersey today that will vouch that I'm not the one with a warrant out for his arrest in New Jersey.
In fact I google the person and the supposedly passed away on March 16, 2014 ----> ( Um maybe that's why he never showed up to Court because he DIED ! )
I have the Detectives direct # & he said he would help the PA PICS Harrisburg office in any way he can to save me another trip to Avondale to get my prints done. If they will take anything from him that is.
My wife thinks its a waste of time at this point but I keep trying to tell her I have come this far and its now all about the principle of it!
I have a feeling I'll be driving up to Avondale PA Wednesday after work as long as their LiveScan machine is up and running. Their fingerprinting ours are 2pm-8pm that day.....
Then I'll have to wait for the OK from the PICS Challenge then its another ride to Lancaster to apply again but with an AOK all clear note in hand I hope !
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Illegitimi non carborundum
is a mock-Latin aphorism meaning "Don't let the bastards grind you down".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum
Using a '70s phrase, "keep on trucking". You'll be happy that you did.
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I left work an Hour early yesterday and was finally able to get my prints done up in Avondale PA.
The Trooper was supposed to mail the card today to Harrisburg so I hope they get it soon and clear me ASAP..........
I have off the beginning of Sept and would go up and reapply with Paper in Hand from the PA PICS hopefully letting me get the carry permit without any further issues! ::)
I'm also going to see if I can clear the warrant in New Jersey as the person in question may be deceased ! GO FIGURE :o ::) !
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Wow. Thanks so much for the updates.
I'm sure you will win in the end, but my lord what a process.
Especially when it is their fault!!!!
Good for you to get this cleared up. Hate to see you spend a weekend in jail if you get pulled over.
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Wow. Thanks so much for the updates.
I'm sure you will win in the end, but my lord what a process.
Especially when it is their fault!!!!
Good for you to get this cleared up. Hate to see you spend a weekend in jail if you get pulled over.
Its exactly like Identity theft and I'm guessing its hard to clear up completely........
Well if I did get pulled over in Jersey they should be able to compare my features with the other person and verify I wasn't wanted !
But yes I could get detained while its cleared up.
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Nothing new to report !
I figured I'd give PA State PICS office a few weeks but I guess I'll have to start flooding their Voicemail mail everyday now till I get an approval! >:( ;D
They have my prints now for a few weeks & I know they said it could take up to 90 days but this is ridiculous! ::) ???
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OK I have an Update ;D
I received a call today from Barry in PA PICS and he told me their decision to decline me is going to be reversed & I'll be cleared to obtain my PA non resident carry :P
Only thing is he has to wait for his Supervisor to sign the paperwork and doesn't have any time frame for when it will be.
So I'll be receiving something from them in the mail when this is all said and done and over with ;)
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You should see if they know whether this is an issue that is likely to reappear.
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You should see if they know whether this is an issue that is likely to reappear.
They cant answer that but its likely to be a problem for me in NJ since that's where the alternate me was arrested !
I will be sure to carry the paperwork I get from the PA State PICS Office clearing me of the NJ incident for sure !
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OK, Great News !
I got the letter from PA PICS saying I am not prohibited from carrying ( Duh I think Delaware would have taken my permit if I was prohibited ) and can go ahead with applying again, so it looks like I'll be driving up to Lancaster again.
I have off a few days coming up so its perfect timing !
I'll be sure to reply one more time when I have Permit in hand !
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Good deal, and good luck with the buggies on the road!
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Congratulations!
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I walked into the Lancaster Sheriff's Office today and re-applied again and I was approved with no issues !
I thought I was going to have to go back again as they were having issues with the computer they use for photos :o ??? but thank goodness it was working when it came time for me to get my ID. ::)
I was in and out in like 20 minutes the most ------- Yeah !
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I walked into the Lancaster Sheriff's Office today and re-applied again and I was approved with no issues !
I thought I was going to have to go back again as they were having issues with the computer they use for photos :o ??? but thank goodness it was working when it came time for me to get my ID. ::)
I was in and out in like 20 minutes the most ------- Yeah !
Congratulations!
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Congrats. Your persistence paid off. Way to go.
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Congradulations!
And thank you so much for sharing in great detail your oddessy.
This will be of great help to others who have similar problems.
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Glad to hear it got sorted out and you were issued the permit.
;D
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Its an Awesome feeling I tell you.
People have asked me why I wasted my time & I told them if I just gave in and didn't pursue the PICS Challenge then I'm admitting guilt and I refuse to do that as I was innocent !!!!!!!!!!!
I do not feel it was a waste of time as I now have my PA Carry permit !
And maybe someone else will learn something from what I have gone through. Its similar to identity theft and could cause you so many problems without you even knowing it.
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congrats on fighting the fight and not giving up....glad it all worked out for you.......