Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Paladin4CA on December 31, 2014, 06:52:07 PM
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Title pretty much says it all.
2nd question: What does the DECCW.com community plan to accomplish to advance DEians' RKBA in 2015?
This can be as simple as plans to increase membership at DECCW.com or to increase the number of CCWers in DE by a certain # or %, or as complex as to support/oppose certain state legislators (or even local politicians if DE doesn't have state pre-emption of gun laws), or have certain legislation introduced/repealed, or to file state or federal RKBA cases.
fwiw, IMHO, you rarely accomplish more than what you plan to accomplish.
Not trolling, just asking.
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The only ways I know of to keep track of ccdw numbers in Delaware is to become a member of this forum and to browse the ccdw notices in The Guide.
BTW, DE passed a preemption law in ( I think) 1985.
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sadly, our crime rate is what is pushing the amount of ccdw higher and higher.
no one here can take claim to helping raise these numbers.
Word of mouth and reassurance to people seeking ccdw, a small push in that direction, signing the references for applicants ect. sending them radnors number. lol. stuff like that.
Make sure he buys lunch. Sorry todd, had to go there. ;D
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This is just that, a forum. This is not a formal organization and I think the consensus here is to keep it that way.
What I hope is that we continue to be a repository for information related to all aspects of firearms with the emphasis on carrying for self defense.
This board does a great job at helping newcomers through the system, sharing experiences about the process, and conveying information on safe practices.
There are other formal organizations out there and we forum members can and do support those who lobby for our rights.
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Thank you TK will take all the referrals you send me.
Yep lunch is on me. Gotta feed them after a long day.
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Just for starters the Delaware News of this forum would be a place to post upcoming events such as the (912 Del. Patriots) planned rally to support law enforcement to be held on Jan. 4 from 1-4 pm on U.S. 13 just South of the Dover Mall.
I understand not all organizations or all events will be to everyone's liking but it is and may be for a good cause. Just like the NRA discounts, if I didn't answer the phone I would have missed out. Just food for thought.
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This is just that, a forum. This is not a formal organization and I think the consensus here is to keep it that way.
I hope I did not give the impression I was suggesting DECCW.com morph into something else. I just meant it could be used as a "forum" for activists to discuss, organize and meeting to then go out and be active.
For instance, in CA, several activists on CalGuns.Net got together and formed the Calguns Foundation:
www.calgunsfoundation.org
IIRC, CGNers were also behind: https://www.facebook.com/calffl and https://www.facebook.com/gunpolicy https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
Others stayed primarily on the forum (rather than launching some other org) and using it as I described above to push for the Riverside County sheriff to accept "self-defense" as a sufficient "Good Cause" statement for getting a CCW (what we call "virtual Shall Issue" vSI). (see: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=950315) Riverside Co has a pop. of 2.3M CAians.
Others in Merced County got active on CGN and FB and swung the last election so a pro-CCW sheriff won over an anti, liberating 263k CAians!
Others in San Joaquin County (pop 700k), got active in that election, confronting the incumbent so that he had to switch to vSI lest they throw the election to a pro-CCW challenger.
Again, the folks met, did initial organizing and recruiting via CGN w/o turning it into yet another NRA competitor.
So, even though the Peruta case is still stuck in appellate hell, we're making significant inroads on the Left Coast. If Peruta gets finalized, then you can see places like Alameda Co (think Oakland and CCWs' impact on crime), Santa Clara and San Mateo counties (think Silicon Valley), SF (cultural center), and LA (cultural center w/10M population), readily issuing CCWs.
What I hope is that we continue to be a repository for information related to all aspects of firearms with the emphasis on carrying for self defense.
This board does a great job at helping newcomers through the system, sharing experiences about the process, and conveying information on safe practices.
There are other formal organizations out there and we forum members can and do support those who lobby for our rights.
If you guys are happy the way things are going in DE, I won't complain. Be sure to keep your eye on the Peruta (CA), Richards (CA), and Baker (HI) carry cases out of CA9 and the Palmer carry case out of the D.C. Circuit. Things should get interesting in the next year or two....
Wish you the best!
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SCOTUS declined hearing Jackson case out of SF, CA.
Many of us are no longer optimistic that the federal courts and SCOTUS will defend our RKBA that the 2nd A enshrined and said "shall not be infringed."
Best for you DE folk not to assume the antis will overlook lil' ol' Delaware....
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SCOTUS declined hearing Jackson case out of SF, CA.
Many of us are no longer optimistic that the federal courts and SCOTUS will defend our RKBA that the 2nd A enshrined and said "shall not be infringed."
Best for you DE folk not to assume the antis will overlook lil' ol' Delaware....
This comes up a bunch in one form or another. OldGrey said it best: We fly under the radar and that's a good thing.
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SCOTUS declined hearing Jackson case out of SF, CA.
Many of us are no longer optimistic that the federal courts and SCOTUS will defend our RKBA that the 2nd A enshrined and said "shall not be infringed."
Best for you DE folk not to assume the antis will overlook lil' ol' Delaware....
This comes up a bunch in one form or another. OldGrey said it best: We fly under the radar and that's a good thing.
Please, tell me you are joking and just forgot to put the appropriate smilie at the end of your post....
In case you were serious: out of 50 states, 42 are Shall Issue or better. Therefore the antis have only 8 states on their side and you think that you're NOT on their radar??? :o (insert facepalm smilie here)
(http://www.gun-nuttery.com/maps/2015.gif)
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But compare us to our two yellow neighbors. Maryland and New Jersey are "may issue" states that won't issue. Delaware is a "may issue" state that essentially operates as a "shall issue" state.
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The most important accomplishment in my opinion was the State Supreme Court unanimously declaring the right to keep and bear arms a fundamental right. This was the Doe vs Wilmington Housing case.
As for that map, how did Connecticut get to be blue. I thought they were "reasonable May issue" like us.
Don't be fooled by thes Shall / may tag. There is a world of difference between us and New Jersey and Maryland.
Remember too that states like Pennsylvania that have the so called "character clause " are only shall issue in some jurisdictions.
the "under the Radar" comment is correct.
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Suggest you contact the NRA or the local friends of NRA called the Delaware State Sportsman's Association. Both great organizations for 2nd Amendment Rights and hunters.
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I think I may have brought this up previously a while ago. But I do think It would be beneficial to have a local concealed carry group. I'm not familiar with the Sportsman Association, and they may fit the bill...but I'm thinking a group that just simply promotes a right to carry.
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Again that would be the DSSA. It's past and current leadership is what got and keeps the DECCW permit available in this Liberal Progressive state. They go to the legislature and fight for us. The current President of the DSSA is the former National President of the NRA, John C. Sigler. This organization is a "umbrella" associate of the NRA. They are the most powerful pro 2nd Amendment and gun owner's right advocate in the state.
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Don't be fooled by the DSSA name, as they are the legitimate 2A group in Delaware.
http://dssa.us
Although it would be great to have something aimed at specific causes, they would wind up being too small and too fractured. Delaware is small enough that one group can do a fairly good job of representing the entire state.
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Be aware. The DSSA like the NRA are involved in 2nd Amendment issues and issues of hunting and gun ownership. They are not involved in other issues at all. It is not their thing. You will never see them lobbying against or for social issues. When they indorse a candidate it is because of the candidates stand on 2nd Amendment and gun rights issues only.
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NJ and MD "may issue" means.........if you are rich, well connected and a dem/prog., they may issue. Del is pretty good unless you really screw up the paper work. DSSA, DCCW, etc., AND their members have kept the libs at bay for the most part, but a moments lapse in attention and that could change quickly.
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SCOTUS declined hearing Jackson case out of SF, CA.
Many of us are no longer optimistic that the federal courts and SCOTUS will defend our RKBA that the 2nd A enshrined and said "shall not be infringed."
Best for you DE folk not to assume the antis will overlook lil' ol' Delaware....
This comes up a bunch in one form or another. OldGrey said it best: We fly under the radar and that's a good thing.
Looks like the antis have improved their "radar":
http://deccw.com/index.php?topic=4104.0
Do you guys even know how DE's number of CCWers changes each year, to know if you're making progress or losing ground?
If not, you need to look into using DE's Freedom of Information Act to see if you can find out.
https://delaware.gov/topics/foia.shtml
While, acc to www.nfoic.org/delaware-foia-laws, "Records of registered concealed weapons permits" are exempt, you may be able to find out just the number of active CCWs for civilians for each county going back a few years.
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Don't be fooled by the DSSA name, as they are the legitimate 2A group in Delaware.
http://dssa.us
Although it would be great to have something aimed at specific causes, they would wind up being too small and too fractured. Delaware is small enough that one group can do a fairly good job of representing the entire state.
What, exactly, are they or anyone else doing to increase the number of CCW permit holders in DE?
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As of March 3rd there are 11,718 active licenses.
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@Clarence, where did you get that number and can we get the numbers for other states?
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http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-Report-from-the-Crime-Prevention-Research-Center-Final.pdf
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Thanks Lums. That's it.
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As of March 3rd there are 11,718 active licenses.
Great! How has that number changed over the past, let's say, 5 years?
Acc to the US Census, DE has a pop. of ~935k in 2014, with 22% under 18 yo. So, deduct those and you have an adult pop of 729.3k, resulting in an issuance rate of 1.6% of the adult pop (vs 5% issuance rate for CCWs for the adult pop. of the entire USA).
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As of March 3rd there are 11,718 active licenses.
Great! How has that number changed over the past, let's say, 5 years?
Acc to the US Census, DE has a pop. of ~935k in 2014, with 22% under 18 yo. So, deduct those and you have an adult pop of 729.3k, resulting in an issuance rate of 1.6% of the adult pop (vs 5% issuance rate for CCWs for the adult pop. of the entire USA).
Difficult to get hard numbers. In 2007 it was about 2,500. Only using NICS since summer of 2012. You can go back on the FBI website and look up permit checks since then. Remember that new licenses are 3 year and renewals are 5. Also renewals will all be in the first 5 months of the year.
Big difference is that prior to the 2000s these were mostly issued to those who had connections and those who carry money.
I do have a newspaper article that in 1953 there were "two or three" in a city of 110,000
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From just my anecdotal experience, my sister, brother-in-law, my sister's oldest boy, my wife, several of my wife's colleagues, a few of my friends, and myself have all obtained our permits in the last year. I have several other friends that are in the process of getting their applications in order as well. However, for most of the folks I know, it has been the uptick in civil unrest, in the last couple of years, that has been the deciding factor in seeking their permits, rather than any one group's advocacy.
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You may also want to consider that the largest part of Delaware's population lives in NCC. It is a Liberal Progressive Democrat Haven. They do not want people to carry guns at all, and are certainly in no hurry to issue permits.
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@JonathanG, agree with you that the news media and all the crime reports help to promote CCDW especially in NCC.