Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
General Gun Discussion => Ammunition and Re-Loading => Topic started by: Condition 1 on May 06, 2015, 11:31:35 PM
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http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/45-acp-vs-9mm-ammo/#bsum-buffoni
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Just about every "expert" with 3 or more followers has chimed in on this debate. It is getting old. The technical advancment of ammunition in the popular self-defense rounds has made the difference in calibers nominal. It comes down to whatever works for you and what you prefer for whatever reasons you prefer it.
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I agree, People use what they used for a variety of reasons, and will always think of a dozen reasons why theirs is best for them. These "A" v."B" comparisons are a waste of time. I think my gun or ammo is best, and you think yours is the best. So what?
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The debate is always interesting, especially when people engaging is more knowledgeable than I am. I like both sides of the argument, I love how I shoot a 9mm and how I have much more control with it when rapid iring. I also love the size of a 45acp, as well as the power of a 10mm.
I agree with carry what you are confident with.
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People disparage other calibers, but they never volunteer to be shot with them.
I carry 10mm because I like shooting it, and I can hit a target with it. I just bought a Glock 43, which is a tacit admission that there's nothing wrong with 9mm...
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Just about every "expert" with 3 or more followers has chimed in on this debate. It is getting old. The technical advancement of ammunition in the popular self-defense rounds has made the difference in calibers nominal. It comes down to whatever works for you and what you prefer for whatever reasons you prefer it.
I agree with this and no more need to be said.
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People disparage other calibers, but they never volunteer to be shot with them.
I carry 10mm because I like shooting it, and I can hit a target with it. I just bought a Glock 43, which is a tacit admission that there's nothing wrong with 9mm...
I am with you 100%. Also, I have my preferences for different situations - during the winter I like my 10mm and heavy 45acp, if I go to crowded places I like very vast and light bullets in a 9mm or. 45acp (185gr). Camping I carry heavy 10mm loads for black bears.
I shoot two platforms only , 1911 and Glock, so mostly caliber changes for different situations.
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Just about every "expert" with 3 or more followers has chimed in on this debate. It is getting old. The technical advancement of ammunition in the popular self-defense rounds has made the difference in calibers nominal. It comes down to whatever works for you and what you prefer for whatever reasons you prefer it.
I agree with this and no more need to be said.
Amen!!
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i bought my gun for one good reason, from every review i saw on video and read, it eats just about any brand you put through it
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There is a you-tube video that demonstrates the obvious. A gentleman shoots at a watermelon with a 44 magnum and misses (to make his point). Then shoots it with a .38 and hits it. Amusing.
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I'm just old enough to have experienced the great wheelguns-versus-autos debates, continue to witness the this-versus-that debates, and may live long enough to take part in ray-gun/laser-gun-versus-lead arguments.
Of course, considering that I started with 357s and 44s, purchased through my friend's sister or my dad, most other so-called hand-cannons seem weak, quiet, easy to shoot, and easy to wield!
But (illegally) carrying an 8 3/8" Model 29 (because that's what Harry carried) or a 645 (because that's what Sonny carried) in Galco shoulder rigs soon gave way to more practical choices. So went the days of real steel, just prior to the Tupperware era.
Back when the number of weapon-models were few, and each caliber had maybe a half-dozen factory loads -- comparisons were more easily made. Weapon-specific, load-specific arguments could take place with arguable results. Now, comparisons are made with generalities, made from a random sampling of available loads. Facts and opinions seem to change a lot -- just like in politics.
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So went the days of real steel, just prior to the Tupperware era.
Can't stop laughing! I gotta use this somehow.
A request to Twisted: How about a place for saving legendary posts like the one above. It just doesn't get better than that!
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Radnor has a couple of .45's that hold nearly as much ammo as the 9MM plastic guns. Who do you think will have rounds left over after the fight is done?? My money is on Radnor.
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I just can't seem to relate to this argument. If I need to present my firearm, no matter the make and model, I am already in a pretty bad place. If the situation escalates to a point that I'm changing mags I'm WAY over my head. If all I am doing is firing cover shots the game is likely over.
I do believe it is conceivable, if not a sure thing in the near future, that zombies will be coming for my water, food and guns. But a defensive position can be hardened. It is unlikely that I will be wading into battle with inferior firepower.
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Good post, Obleo...
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I just can't seem to relate to this argument. If I need to present my firearm, no matter the make and model, I am already in a pretty bad place. If the situation escalates to a point that I'm changing mags I'm WAY over my head. If all I am doing is firing cover shots the game is likely over.
I do believe it is conceivable, if not a sure thing in the near future, that zombies will be coming for my water, food and guns. But a defensive position can be hardened. It is unlikely that I will be wading into battle with inferior firepower.
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With today's defensive ammo 9, 40 and 45 pretty much all have similar enough results that I'll take the additional ammo of the 9mm. There are simply times when you'll need more ammo then something that hits slightly harder and makes a 1/8" larger hole. I had originally decided on 9mm as my carry choice due to its price, weight, recoil, mag sizes and pretty much matching ballistics to that of the 40 and 45. After reading about Sergeant Timothy Gramins my choice was cemented.
For those who haven't heard of what happened... Gramins was in pursuit of a suspect who stopped, jumped out of his car and immediately started shooting at Gramins in his car. He drew his Glock 21 handgun chambered in .45acp and quickly got out. They circled his car firing at each other. In less then 60 seconds Gramins had been fired at 21 times from 2 handguns and fired 33 rounds back at his attacker.
Here is the kicker.. Gramins HIT his attacker 14 times, 6 of those rounds struck vital organs and yet the guy never went down and continued his attack! The attack continued until 3 consecutive head shots were made to the attacker when he looked under the car. He had taken vital shot in his heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney but continued attacking without slowing down until the head shots. His vital signs were still present even when EMS showed up where both were transported to ER where Gramins heard one doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!” ::) NO drugs or alcohol were found in the attackers system! :o Gramins now carries a crud load on 9mm while on duty.
The complete account can be read here and is worth reading! https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
I'm not saying one handgun caliber is better then another since ballistics between the top 3 (9, 40 & 45) are close enough. Since ballistics are so close however, I'll take my 17rd double stack 9mm mags in my Classic Walther PPQ over a 7 or 8 round .45 1911 (which I own and love shooting) or the slightly heavier but more costly 40S&W (which I'll never buy into) simply to carry more rounds. Sure double stack 45s are available but they are also bulkier, heavier and more expensive to buy (usually) and to shoot. I spend a lot of time in schools and other populated indoor "soft" areas which are the more popular areas for shooters. I don't ever expect to be in a situation but then neither did any of those who have been! I don't carry umpteen mags on me but if god forbid something were to take place I'd like to have more then 8rd mags on me. A single spare mag gives me 35rds on my body, well concealed and doesn't weigh me down. Toss in a 2nd mag for 52rds that's still concealable, though not quite as comfortable, for those days
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I use 9mm because that's what my handgun is chambered for. :)
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I use 9mm because that's what my handgun is chambered for. :)
Geez! Maybe that's why my .45 won't work at all.
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I think you convinced me to buy a few more Mec-Gar magazines for my P226. Maybe the AR as well....
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A 22 is better than nothing. Why does this argument continue to be brought up. Carry what you're comfortable with. Open...concealed...whatever. As long as it's legal.
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Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
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Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
Believe it or not, the "sight" needs to be something that they can actually see, and believe to be a real firearm. I have a TP-22 and and P3AT -- and I think that most teenage girls have bigger key fobs than these two guns.
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Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
Believe it or not, the "sight" needs to be something that they can actually see, and believe to be a real firearm. I have a TP-22 and and P3AT -- and I think that most teenage girls have bigger key fobs than these two guns.
A Ruger GP100 in 22 will solve that problem. :)
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Not much like a Ruger Alaskan snub nosed revolver in .454 Casull then ehh? ;D
Now.. if only I could find an IWB holster for it :D
6 rounds of real knock down power lol
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Not much like a Ruger Alaskan snub nosed revolver in .454 Casull then ehh? ;D
Now.. if only I could find an IWB holster for it :D
6 rounds of real knock down power lol
I'm afraid my wrists would shatter after the first shot. Between arthritis and carpel tunnel I'd be a basket case. I do have a 357 3 inch, but typically use .38 Special. I'm intrigued by the higher calipers, but I'll allo other's to shoot them and tell me about the experience. :)
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I love the .454 which has some manageable loads and then yeah, others that would shatter a wrist for some. Wife absolutely loves the Alaskan and .45 long colt rounds. I prefer the heavy rounds. It's the one firearm I own that I don't allow others to fire at the range. ;D