Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => New CCW Permit Holders => Topic started by: ChrisCar on June 24, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
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I received a call from the A.G.'s office today (only two months post-filing, FYI). They are going to deny my application because my references have known me less than one year (I just moved to the state last year). Anticipating that might be an issue, I had also submitted references from four out-of-state law enforcement officials and a judge from my former state. Apparently that didn't help. The investigator suggested that I can write to the judge with an explanation and see if he will get involved at this stage.
Anyone had any experience with anything like this? Any suggestions? Thanks.
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How often do you interact with your references? If you see them once a week for a short interval is lot different from someone who works with you every weekday.
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How long have you lived in Delaware? I doubt that if you just moved here, you will get approved. Do you have a CCP from your previous state? If you have been here for years, try to get references you've known for 5 years in Delaware.
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How long have you lived in Delaware? I doubt that if you just moved here, you will get approved. Do you have a CCP from your previous state? If you have been here for years, try to get references you've known for 5 years in Delaware.
I moved here last summer. My longest-known reference was from September 2014. Didn't have a permit before . . . I lived in NJ ('nuf said).
I put together a letter to the judge detailing the reason why my references are short-term, and also emphasizing my out-of-state references from prosecutors and a judge. I'll keep you all posted.
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Hope it works out. The out of state references are meaningless in the law, but you do have the statutory number of in county references so hopefully the judge will see your out of state references as proof of your character.
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Interesting. I applied less than a year after moving to DE (also from NJ). I had only known one of my references more than a year, and had no issues at all. Did you submit a copy of your certified NJ drivers abstract by chance? I did - was called by the investigatior asking for it...and told him it was already included with my permit. He said "oh that's great" and applied I would be approved shortly.
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@Clarence: At the time of filling, my in-county refs had known me from 3 to 9 months (by now, it's 5 to 11). That's what seems to the problem. And while the out of state refs are technically meaningless, they were from 3 former prosecutors, a former judge, and a former detective. They've known me 5-15 years. Seeing as i did have five in-county refs also, i figured they would just be a little extra evidence of character and moral fitness.
@Lems: yep, i included the abstract. That wasn't brought up at all.
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This all makes me wounder how mine will turn out only being in Delaware for 2 years and 2 of my references were under the 5 year mark one i went to high school with so I have known him for a very long time. When I turned in my drivers abstract for MD the lady almost acted like it didn't need to be there. she said I am so over putting these in there have been so many. I just thanked her for her time and left it has been 3 weeks now.
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This all makes me wounder how mine will turn out only being in Delaware for 2 years and 2 of my references were under the 5 year mark one i went to high school with so I have known him for a very long time. When I turned in my drivers abstract for MD the lady almost acted like it didn't need to be there. she said I am so over putting these in there have been so many. I just thanked her for her time and left it has been 3 weeks now.
I was told the problem is references knowinge less than ONE year. So you should be safe.
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I was told the problem is references knowinge less than ONE year. So you should be safe.
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It would be nice if they would put stuff like this in the application process alone and the part about the drivers abstract too would be great these are things that are not in the process.
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I was told the problem is references knowinge less than ONE year. So you should be safe.
It would be nice if they would put stuff like this in the application process alone and the part about the drivers abstract too would be great these are things that are not in the process.
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I've requested a few times here that the drivers abstract information be added to the Delaware CCDW Process thread at the top of this forum, yet it hasn't been added. Since it IS something that the Federal agents doing the background checks are requiring from new residents it should be added!
We were told refs should be known for a few years.. Whatever that is. It's not actually part of the DE Code but something the investigators are requiring. I'd contact the judge and politely request a meeting.
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I do agree that we should have it on here but the courts should have it on the list as a requirement have it listed in a if you are a section not all people come here before they start the process. But I think we should be proactive and have this information here. I found out from First state firearms training that i would need that.
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Yes it should be listed here.
No.. You'll not see it on the state or county sites because it isn't the law. The DE Code doesn't require that you know your refs for a 1 year period. The Code requires refs to show you can prove good moral character. As far as I know there is no minimum period you are required to wait listed in the DE Code. Please correct me if I'm wrong....
I'm waiting for someone to be denied for this and to follow up with a lawsuit.
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Just went over everything on my application don't know why but one of my references put townsend as Kent when it is new castle. Do you think I should have this corrected or just leave it alone.
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Get a new one.
We tell our students to make 6-7 blank copies of the reference questionaire just in case some one screws up you'll have an extra to hand out immediately.
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I submitted 1 extra reference just in cast :)
I figured it couldn't hurt ;D
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When I submitted my app. several years ago, I sent in 6 reference letters, because 1 of them was going to Florida during the winter I submitted. All references were people I had known for 20+ years except 1. Had permit in 8 weeks.
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How long have you lived in Delaware? I doubt that if you just moved here, you will get approved. Do you have a CCP from your previous state? If you have been here for years, try to get references you've known for 5 years in Delaware.
I moved here in February and I have already received my License. I put my application in only a few weeks after I got my driver license switched over. However my references all have known me over a year.
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I had the same thing happen to me a year ago. The investigator considered any reference under 2 years not valid toward the 5. I had a mix with one being 6 months and one being 10 years. My avg time known was prob around 3 years. I knew many people in the other counties, but being you are limited to the county I was limited.
However it's the judge not the investigator who makes the decision and mine was approved without a hearing. The judge makes the call, the investigator only a recommendation.
The problem is if you get denied (and you choose not to appeal it), you always have to put that on any application you fill out.