Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
CCW Methods & Issues => New CCW Permit Holders => Topic started by: LostM on November 16, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
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I see an issue with having 5 references.
The ability to legally protect myself and my family is the main reason DE is on the top of a short list of states to call home. Not being able to do that for over a year simply because Im new to the area is not ideal.
Possible options:
1.Any chance DE is Veteran friendly and would bypass the reference part for a specific situation ( USMC/Army DD214's) or even current civilian (private security) contractor for DHS? ( i realize im not the first to encounter this)
2.Obtain a Utah CCW from my local range in NJ
I also just read something about obtaining a Drivers Abstract to submit with application, I assume that would be a good idea to streamline the process
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Long story short, prior USMC, current Army (done in a few months/not retiring, just done); Moving from NJ to DE ( Kent County). I see an issue with having 5 references. I know only 1 person in DE and they are not local to my new place.
The ability to legally protect myself and my family is the main reason DE is on the top of a short list of states to call home. Not being able to do that for over a year simply because Im new to the area is not ideal.
Possible options:
1.Any chance DE is Veteran friendly and would bypass the reference part for a specific situation ( USMC/Army DD214's) or even current civilian (private security) contractor for DHS? ( i realize im not the first to encounter this)
2.Obtain a Utah CCW from my local range in NJ
I also just read something about obtaining a Drivers Abstract to submit with application, I assume that would be a good idea to streamline the process
The references are not an optional thing at all I am a veteran and that was not even a question that is asked on the application. You also need your home state CC permit to get an out of state permit at least that is my understanding of the laws I have read. I thought there was someone else on here that had that same issue.
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If you have a Delaware driver's license, the only permit that would allow you to carry is a DE CCDW. There are no exceptions.
If you lived in any other state, a Utah permit would be valid when visiting Delaware, but Delaware residents can't use an out-of-state permit to carry here.
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The ability to legally protect myself and my family is the main reason DE is on the top of a short list of states to call home. Not being able to do that for over a year simply because Im new to the area is not ideal.
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You can open carry immediately except in Dover. Dover OC available by writing letter to Dover Police Chief. For additonal OC details and discussion, check out www.deloc.org. For CC, we're happy to help.
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I figured that was the case, on all accounts.
The rest of the process seems rather straight forward. I guess the 5 person reference is going to be the largest snag. I work OCONUS just as much if not more than CONUS, so I dont even know how to begin to meet new people that can vouch for me.
Not even sure how to go about meeting people that would be ok with being asked. Its not like im in school or do any social events other than car racing. Maybe Ill have to find some IPSC or IDPA matches and get to know people.
But is it true there is a time-frame that they are looking for? I just read another guys issue about "1 year" of references, but no where in the law does it state a time limit. Is that a "catch-all" they use to deny requests?
Forgive me if im thinking too much into this, i may be thinking DE is like NJ, is it?
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I figured that was the case, on all accounts.
The rest of the process seems rather straight forward. I guess the 5 person reference is going to be the largest snag. I work OCONUS just as much if not more than CONUS, so I dont even know how to begin to meet new people that can vouch for me.
Not even sure how to go about meeting people that would be ok with being asked. Its not like im in school or do any social events other than car racing. Maybe Ill have to find some IPSC or IDPA matches and get to know people.
But is it true there is a time-frame that they are looking for? I just read another guys issue about "1 year" of references, but no where in the law does it state a time limit. Is that a "catch-all" they use to deny requests?
Forgive me if im thinking too much into this, i may be thinking DE is like NJ, is it?
Time for another forum get-together?
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I like the way you think :)
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Time for another forum get-together?
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Let's do it
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I'm with oldgray on this!
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Welcome! (And thank for your service)
As others said, if you change you drivers license to DE, you need DE CCDW to conceal.
UT (I believe), you must have home state before they issue. I dont know if they
feel the PRofNJ is an issuing state or not. You'd have to call BCI UT.
AZ WILL issue a permit to you W/O having home state permit. If the 214 has pistol
qualification on it, they should accept that. I'd look on their web site. If we get that
meet n' greet going, I'll bring a packet for AZ with me or you can contact them for one.
There will be 2 finger print cards in the packet. BOTH need to be completed. Prints
do NOT have to be done by the police. If we get the meet n' greet going, I'll bring the
printing kit (REMIND ME).
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Time for another forum get-together?
Let's do it
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count us in
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LostM, email in bound.
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So where would everyone like to have a meet up? Are there any Vapers in the group?
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So we dont hijack this thread, new post in the clubhouse section.
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I was in your shoes last year. I sent you a direct message. Give me a call.
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Didn't see anyone else answer but yes.. you will need a certified Drivers Abstract from NJ. Wife and I found this out after we submitted a few years back after moving from NJ also.
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I'm also struggling with finding 5 NCC references after recently moving here from NJ. I know some people from work, but they lack the intellectual capacity to understand and appreciate the importance of CCW. Saw some people mention that occasionally members of this community hold get-togethers; if something like that happens again, my girlfriend and I would very much like to participate and contribute!
And if anyone has any tips on making pro-2A friends in NCC, please do share! Given that it takes approximately 17 years for NCC to approve and issue the CCWP, I'm eager to submit my application...
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Please note that the Reference Questionnaire (http://courts.delaware.gov/forms/download.aspx?ID=33218) does ask how long they have known you. Its the very first question. The Federal Investigator I talked to who was running the background checks on myself and the wife said they really want to see at least close to 1 year that most references know the applicant. If they haven't known you for sometime then how can they honestly answer the additional questions. It is also their way to ensure people moving to the state don't simply join a range or online forum and have Reference Parties.. for a lack of a better term. ::) I'd hold off and make sure you know all your references for at the very least 6-9 months. The judge or investigator could very well deny your application otherwise.
The wife and I waited a full year after our move to Delaware before even downloading any of the forms.
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I am lucky to have some good neighbors and friends. I had 3 neighbors, and retired police officer and a fire chief that I had known for anywhere from 5 to over 20 years to use as references. Piece of cake.
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I was lucky enough to have a couple buddies from high school that I still talk to and a few people I volunteered with at some of the Pit bull rescues that were more than happy to fill one out for me. I have since filled out a few myself for friends.
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Sorry to bump an old one, but finally found the house, still kent cty, and we close in 2 weeks.
We still good for a get-together? If so, anyone have a date?
I was at a local IDPA match 2 weeks ago at SJSC and one of the IDPA guys that runs it (Bill) mentioned a shoot this weekend in DE. Ill be at the house tomorrow for a walk through, but sadly cant attend the match.
I did however just join idpa, and plan on attending South Jersey idpa qualifier on the 9th, so I have that going for me ;)
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well, Im all settled in finally,almost everything is in order. Photos and fingerprints on Monday. Only waiting on 1 more reference.
Im lucky I moved to a very good neighborhood and the neighbors are all very like minded.
We want to do a Bridgeville range day/BBQ anytime soon?