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Title: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 13, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Currently there are 3 bills before the US House of Representatives, and 1 before the US Senate, to establish a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity covering legal carry od guns nation wide, The basis is this. If you have a concealed carry permit issued by your home state it would be good in all states that require a concealed carry permit. If a state has a concealed carry permit law, they must recognize your out of state permit. That would mean that states like MD, PA, Etc. would have to let DE. permit holders carry in their state. If a state does not allow a conceal carry in their state, they would not be forced to let people carry. Then there are some states that allow concealed carry without a permit.
This would not change the responsibility of the carrier in these states. You would be responsible for knowing and following the specific laws of that state you were in.

The following are the bills I speak of:

SB. 498

HR. 402

HR. 923

HR. 986

All bills and their Co-Sponsors are available on-line.



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 29thInfantry on January 13, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
That would be nice it would eliminate having to get multiple permits to carry around.  Sounds like this would defeat the VA non recip that goes into effect next month.  Hopefully it does not get swept under the rug.  Good to see you around Strum!!!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on January 14, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
Currently there are 3 bills before the US House of Representatives, and 1 before the US Senate, to establish a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity covering legal carry od guns nation wide, The basis is this. If you have a concealed carry permit issued by your home state it would be good in all states that require a concealed carry permit. If a state has a concealed carry permit law, they must recognize your out of state permit. That would mean that states like MD, PA, Etc. would have to let DE. permit holders carry in their state. If a state does not allow a conceal carry in their state, they would not be forced to let people carry. Then there are some states that allow concealed carry without a permit.
This would not change the responsibility of the carrier in these states. You would be responsible for knowing and following the specific laws of that state you were in.

The following are the bills I speak of:

SB. 498

HR. 402

HR. 923

HR. 986

All bills and their Co-Sponsors are available on-line.



I have sent a letter to both senators and Carney to support these bills, but I don't expect them to do so as they will follow the liberal agenda.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Radnor on January 14, 2016, 11:37:31 AM
Sad, but not worth the stamp you put on the envelope.  They will do as THEY please.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 03, 2016, 12:16:49 PM
Rep. Steve King (R-IA-4) has signed on to 2 National Reciprocity bill before Congress. HR. 923 (48 co-sponsors) and HR. 986  (197 co-sponsors)

Bet you'll never see a Delaware Democrat on any such bill.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 16, 2016, 12:28:19 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/986/text

On March 15th Rep. Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA-16) and Rep. Lee M. Zeldin (R-NY-1) signed on to HR 986 bringing the total to 201 Members of the US House of Representatives to co-sponsor this bill.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on March 16, 2016, 02:24:27 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath on this. This congress was elected with major help from gun owners and they have done zip to put anything pro gun out there.

Of course if congress did pass this bill, it would be immediately vetoed by Obama.

Our only hope is to elect a Liberty Loving Republican in November and hold the house and senate.

Oh and might I add, the next 3 or 4 Supreme Court justices. 



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 16, 2016, 03:36:08 PM
Exactly!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: rikwick on March 16, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
Although I believe in National Reciprocity, the idea of it coming by way of the Fed's makes me nervous (not to be confused with paranoid).  I think the Federal government is big enough now without taking more power that should be left in the hands of each state.  I'm just saying "careful what we wish for." 8)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Hawkeye on March 17, 2016, 06:01:57 AM
If there is to be such a law there needs to be some kind of protection for when you violate an administrative firearm regulation in another state.  Some states would try to interfere with legal carriers by imposing a cumbersome bureaucratic maze of rules hoping to turn legal carriers into felons and thereby intimidating legal carriers from carrying in that state (think New Jersey or Washington DC).  I could see something such as a traffic ticket type of action or something similar to a summons you can get in some places for small amounts of marijuana, rather than arrest and incarceration for violating simple, non-criminal rules.  There should also be some basic, clear cut, across the board rules that all states would have to abide by that cannot be legislated away by the states.  After these basics are met then the state can add their particular idiosyncrasies as they feel necessary. With today’s partisanship this would be nearly impossible.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 17, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
This law will be like your drivers license. You will still have abide by the individual states concealed carry laws, and it will be your responsibility to know them. But it will make states like Maryland and Illinois allow permit holders from other state carry there, just because those states do have a permit on the books.

This is an update to HR. 968 I received today:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/986/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 18, 2016, 08:28:18 AM

I received an update saying that yesterday Rep. Gene Green (D-TX-29) signed up to co-sponsor HR. 968. He is the 4th Democrat and the 204th Representative to sign on.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Model10Todd on March 21, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
If a state does not allow a conceal carry in their state, they would not be forced to let people carry.


I could see states such as MD and the likes doing away with CCW permits all together so as to not have to recognize another state's CCW.  Some excuse along the lines of.. other states aren't strict enough and we can't guarantee the safety of our citizens by screening that's done in another state, therefore for public safety we will do away with CCW altogether.  The old, take away your freedom to promise "safety" and result in neither.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 21, 2016, 01:33:57 PM
MOdel10TODD,

MD. does have a concealed carry permit, but it is available to few. But still they do have one, which would mean as long as they do they would have to reciprocate with other states if the US Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is made law.

Here's something else you may not be aware of. Maryland House Bill 0369 co-sponsored by about 32 Delegates has been introduced and is in the Judiciary committee I believe. This Bill specifies that a permit to carry a handgun issued to an individual in Delaware, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington DC, or West Virginia is valid in Maryland.
You may want to go to a Maryland House Bill tracking site to keep an eye on this.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Model10Todd on March 22, 2016, 11:30:49 AM
MOdel10TODD,

MD. does have a concealed carry permit, but it is available to few. But still they do have one, which would mean as long as they do they would have to reciprocate with other states if the US Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is made law.

Here's something else you may not be aware of. Maryland House Bill 0369 co-sponsored by about 32 Delegates has been introduced and is in the Judiciary committee I believe. This Bill specifies that a permit to carry a handgun issued to an individual in Delaware, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington DC, or West Virginia is valid in Maryland.
You may want to go to a Maryland House Bill tracking site to keep an eye on this.

Appreciate the info.  It looks like there's a push in MD to go the right direction. Let's hope it goes through.  Thanks again.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Model10Todd on March 23, 2016, 04:36:17 AM
Here's a link to a MD bill tracking site as you mentioned:  

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmTrackingMain.aspx?account=dG9kZHRvZGR0b2RkQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ1976000019760000

I was certainly well aware of MD currently having a CCW and the difficultly involved in obtaining one.  A family member does business in MD and we have looked into trying to obtain one.  It makes me SMH.  ::)

I hope the bill goes through and I hope MD makes CCW more obtainable for MD citizens who want to protect themselves.
We will see.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 23, 2016, 08:22:40 AM
I just received an email from Bill Tracking stating that Rep. Michael K. Simpson (R-ID-2) signed on yesterday to House Resolution 986 (HR 986) as a co-sponsor, bringing the number of co-sponsors now to 205.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 24, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
GOV. Tracking update for the 3/23/2016 shows The following US House of Representatives signed on to HR. 923:

Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD-1) (Eastern Shore)
Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH-1)
Rep. Daniel Webster (R-FL-10)

Bringing to total to 58

Also on HR. 986 we have to add:

Rep. Leonard Lance (R-NJ-7)
Rep. Christopher H. Smith (R-NJ-4)
Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO-5)

Brining the total co-sponsors of that bill to 208


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 29thInfantry on March 24, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Strum how are you getting these notifications?  I would like to be able to get them too.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 24, 2016, 02:45:44 PM
You can get them from GOV TRACKS.US or from Congress.gov
Or just Google Congressional Bill Tracking. PM me you email and I'll forward their update to you.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 08, 2016, 06:55:51 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/402/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 08, 2016, 06:57:29 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: CorBon on June 08, 2016, 05:00:30 PM
I always chuckle, just a little bit, whenever I see talk of such a thing.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on June 08, 2016, 06:41:34 PM
If all goes well, I'm expecting good news on or about 20 Apr 2017. 
Prerequisites: Trump elected, Republicans hold House and Senate.  90 day effectivity.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Radnor on June 09, 2016, 05:50:33 AM
If all goes well, I'm expecting good news on or about 20 Apr 2017. 
Prerequisites: Trump elected, Republicans hold House and Senate.  90 day effectivity.

OMG!  The streets will be running red.   Think of the children.....



(I hope you are right)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 10, 2016, 06:12:48 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 29thInfantry on June 10, 2016, 07:39:45 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

Go figure not one Democrat......


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on June 14, 2016, 05:14:27 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

Go figure not one Democrat......

Well, most Democrats play follow the leader and can't think for them selves so....


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 15, 2016, 07:17:22 AM

Well, most Democrats play follow the leader and can't think for them selves so....
 

 Yeah, we have 3 of them here in Delaware sitting is DC just kissing butt.
 
 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: RetCapt1994 on June 15, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
Yes we have The Three Stooges (Crapper,Loons and Blarney) in DE who will follow the progressive agenda. With what is happening now with the anti-gunners I would not expect any good things for guns. I will just say tighten your seat belts people because we are in for a very bumpy ride.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Sinker on June 16, 2016, 03:03:58 AM

Well, most Democrats play follow the leader and can't think for them selves so....
 

 Yeah, we have 3 of them here in Delaware sitting is DC just kissing butt.
 
 


That should say 'most politicians'!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 16, 2016, 06:55:24 AM
No Retcapt1994 has it right. All 3 are the same Liberal Progressive Left- wing Obama puppets.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 23, 2016, 07:52:06 AM
Latest update on HR 402:


https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/402/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Adrenolin on June 23, 2016, 12:30:57 PM
3 Dems now.. Of course non of ours...


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 23, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
And there won't be any Delaware co-sponsors unless Obama has a stroke and gives them permission. I heard Craper to day on TV talking about how his father was a hunter and gun owner and how he liked his guns........B/S!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Adrenolin on June 24, 2016, 12:19:07 AM
He includes that in every single email and letter reply he makes. I'm sure his father is ashamed.  :(


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: RetCapt1994 on June 24, 2016, 07:30:11 AM
Yes THE THREE STOOGES OF DELAWARE, Crapper,Loons and Blarney. They maybe stooges but the people that elect them are MORONS. I have national carry through LEOSA. I strongly believe that anyone with a CCW permit should have national carry. People with CCW permits have been properly vetted and that should do it. All states honor drivers licenses and I see not difference with a CCW permit.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 24, 2016, 07:34:45 AM
He includes that in every single email and letter reply he makes. I'm sure his father is ashamed.  :(

As well he should be.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 10, 2016, 05:28:57 AM

more in-depth information.

GovTrack.us Email Update

This is your email update from GovTrack.us. To change your email update settings, including to unsubscribe, go to your account settings.

Email Updates


Jul 6, 2016 — New Cosponsor

H.R. 923: Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015


New Cosponsor: Rep. Vicky Hartzler [R-MO4]

The bill now has 110 cosponsors (110 Republicans).

You are seeing this event because you subscribe to H.R. 923: Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.


Jul 7, 2016 — New Cosponsor

S. 498: Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015


New Cosponsor: Sen. Lisa Murkowski [R-AK]

The bill now has 35 cosponsors (34 Republicans, 1 Democrat).

You are seeing this event because you subscribe to S. 498: Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 12, 2016, 07:27:51 AM
Rep. Glenn Wrothman (R-WI-6) signs on July 11 to HR 923


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 12, 2016, 07:29:03 AM
Rep. Glenn Wrothman (R-WI-6) signs on to HR 923


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 26, 2016, 07:21:16 AM
Latest update to HR 923:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 09, 2016, 07:14:06 AM
HR 923 still alive and growing. Now up to 114 co-sponsors.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 23, 2016, 06:19:08 AM
HR 923 now up to 117 co-sponsors. Click on the URL and then the word "co-sponsor" to see the entire list and who's on board. Of course there will be no one from the Liberal Progressive Wasteland of Delaware listed. But you can change that on November 8th, but you have to not only vote Republican, but convince others to get on board.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 29, 2016, 07:50:08 AM

2 more sign on:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on October 24, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
What defensive measures will states like NJ, MD, and IL employ to limit the in-state areas where out-of-state permit holders can carry?  Will they make so difficult with patchwork laws that we won't want to enter those states while carrying?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 25, 2016, 07:17:56 AM
As I understand it, states that have a Concealed Carry Permit, however scarcely it is issued, would have to honor other states permits. Just like driver's license. Only states with no C/C permits would be exempt. How ever, when in a state other than your home state, you would have to abide by their laws and regulations. This will put a big responsibility on the C/C Permit holder to educate themselves on the laws of the state they enter or travel through. The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is not a Federal Permit, not does it change or standardize the laws of other states.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Hawkeye on October 25, 2016, 08:24:59 AM
This brings us back to my post earlier in this thread. How would they choose to handle violations in each state? Violating another state's administrative rule for carrying firearms should be treated as traffic violations and not a felony, unless of course you actually used the firearm to commit a crime. Another action I would like to see is having the permit annotated on your driver's license like an endorsement for motorcycles.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 25, 2016, 12:01:04 PM
Some states have a law that you must inform an officer if you are carrying and some you don't (like Delaware). It would be up to the gun carrier to know the laws. I would not be for a annotation as you suggested because in some states the officer does not have a right to no you are carrying. This is not part of the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2016 as read in to Congress.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 25, 2016, 12:04:51 PM
May  be you should go back and re-read the bill. There is nothing in the bill that changes a states current laws. No state has a  "annotation of C/C on their driver's license, that I ever heard of.  Lets' just work on getting a "nationwide carry law" before we start trying to change it and tweek it.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Adrenolin on November 01, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
Absolutely against it being patched onto a drivers license. They are two entirely separate things and should remain as much.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 01, 2016, 03:29:51 PM
Absolutely against it being patched onto a drivers license. They are two entirely separate things and should remain as much.

I'm with you on that.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on November 02, 2016, 04:11:35 PM
Absolutely against it being patched onto a drivers license. They are two entirely separate things and should remain as much.

I'm with you on that.

I also agree.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on November 04, 2016, 08:21:29 AM
Absolutely against it being patched onto a drivers license. They are two entirely separate things and should remain as much.

I'm with you on that.

I also agree.

I don't have an opinion on this yet, but why do you feel the CCW and Drivers License should remain seperate?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 04, 2016, 08:45:10 AM
Not for having CC permit annotated on driver's license because there is no reason to announce to the world you are CONCEALED carrying.
if that is on you license, every time you show you license to anyone, for any reason, they will see you are probably carrying. It is not the business of everyone.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on November 04, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Not for having CC permit annotated on driver's license because there is no reason to announce to the world you are CONCEALED carrying.
if that is on you license, every time you show you license to anyone, for any reason, they will see you are probably carrying. It is not the business of everyone.

Good point. Thank you!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on November 06, 2016, 05:14:16 AM
Not for having CC permit annotated on driver's license because there is no reason to announce to the world you are CONCEALED carrying.
if that is on you license, every time you show you license to anyone, for any reason, they will see you are probably carrying. It is not the business of everyone.

Exactly!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Model10Todd on November 10, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
I would like states such as NJ, CA, MD, etc. change from within.  National legislation is great when we agree with it, but horrible when we don't.  I do see the argument that these liberal states are not allowing our constitutional rights and that needs to be addressed at the federal level.  If I read MD's CC law correctly, even if I do posses a MD CCW permit, I can not travel on an interstate with the gun. ??  If this is the case, how does National R help me if I'm traveling through MD but have to obey MD local law?  Hopefully we do get the National R passed and the local governments also head in the right direction.. but I tend to not be optimistic about most of those states.  MD will have bills come forward that only get tabled and end up being a carrot on a stick.  Some of those officials here in DE that are getting elected aren't helping my concerns either, such as hard line leftist Carney.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: RetCapt1994 on November 10, 2016, 11:45:11 AM
I spent my entire life in the Peoples Republik of NJ including 30yrs in law enforcement. the PRNJ will never give an inch for gun rights because they just do not care. This is a state that made it harder for retired LEO's to have the ability to carry concealed. This is one of reasons I moved out of that cesspool 4 months after I retired. The libs are in complete control in the PRNJ just like they are in DE.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on November 11, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
President-Elect Donald Trump has released his plans for the Second Amendment.

http://conservativetribune.com/trump-plan-2nd-amendment/

It includes National Concealed Carry Reciprocity.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on November 11, 2016, 03:25:02 PM
We need to make sure he keeps his promises.  He could never even come close to winning without gun owners and the NRA.

We have to make sure these things are done soon.  Who knows how long this window will be open.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: groundgrid on November 11, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
From the political grapevine:
Both the Senate & House versions of reciprocity bills have already been drafted & are expected to be introduced within the first few months of 2017. Given the composition of congress they should pass easily. It is not expected that the opposition will filibuster the bills due to the need to conserve their political capital. There are also several D senators & congressmen that hail from conservative districts. Not voting in favor of reciprocity would be political suicide for them. Also, the opposition's entire leadership has been decimated. After what happened last Tuesday anything that angers middle aged white men (most of us) is just not happening.

What I also heard is that the bills will include provisions for reciprocity for those from states that have Constitutional Carry laws. I fully expect the NRA, GOA & SAF to be heavily involved with the wording. Also hoping that they include provisions that will prevent CCW permit holders from  being arrested for minor infractions.

Remember that we are now 100% in the drivers seat. Even if MD or NJ refused to comply with the spirit or letter of the law, SCOTUS will eventually put them in their place. Speaking of which, we need as many cases as possible to hit the courts within the next few years.

IMO, our ultimate goal should now be to get SCOTUS to affirm that the personal right to keep & bear arms extends beyond one's home, that Strict Scrutiny applies to all laws that attempt to limit 2A rights and that "Shall not be infringed" means exactly what it says.

There is no longer any need to stay under the radar on 2A issues.



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on November 12, 2016, 05:47:44 AM
Well said ground grid. I will tell you that for the gun issue and concealed carry in particular that it goes way beyond white men.  All races and both sexes are coming on board with this.  I see it all the time.  I know blacks and Hispanics that voted for Trump solely because of the gun issue.  As for females, the NRA did a very fine job during the election painting self defense as a woman issue.  This needs to be carried forward into the legislation and judicial process.

Strike while the iron is hot!!

Remember too that we need to make sure that we can insulate ourselves from the political push back the next time some monster goes berserk in a "gun free zone".  How that is handled will be the true test.  


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Obleo on November 12, 2016, 06:34:57 AM
Quote
Remember too that we need to make sure that we can insulate ourselves from the political push back the next time some monster goes berserk in a "gun free zone".  How that is handled will be the true test.

The very first shooting after national carry is passed will be blamed directly on this law.  We need a plan.  A good plan.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: groundgrid on November 12, 2016, 08:38:40 AM
My hope is that the very next attempted shooting by a nut case with an AK in his hands is ended by a mom who places a 9mm round squarely through his skull.

Remember, it's all about the children.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 12, 2016, 05:40:42 PM
HR 923 with it's 119 co-sponsors is waiting to be brought to the floor for a vote. With a Republican House, Senate, and soon to be President and a new conservative appointed Judge in the Supreme Court, I look for the Constitutional Conceal Carry Reciprocity Act to be on Trumps desk for a signature in his first year.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 12, 2016, 05:43:14 PM
With a Republican majority in the House and Senate and a new Republican Concealed Carrying President and a conservative Supreme Court judge, I look for HR 923 to be law by the end of Trumps 1st year.


SORRY 1ST POST DIDN'T GO THROUGH ACCORDING TO ERROR MESSAGE.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 15, 2016, 07:04:43 AM
Co-Sponsors for HR 923, Constitutional Concealed carry Reciprocity Act, now hits 120 Representatives.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on November 15, 2016, 03:34:26 PM
Here is another article about Trump and National Carry.

http://conservativetribune.com/huge-trump-concealed-carry/



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 16, 2016, 07:35:07 AM
Yesterday there was another co-sponsor sign on to HR 923, bringing the total to 121:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/923/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on November 17, 2016, 09:06:22 AM
A good list of Republicans but as expected not a single democrat.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 18, 2016, 08:35:20 AM
That's because Democrats want to take your gun away. They know they can not take over America when we have many millions of gun in our homes and on us. Just think, the first move of the Nazi's was to that all guns away from the Jews and then they killed 6 million of them.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on November 18, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
Howard Stern supports National Carry Reciprocity Legislation.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161118/howard-stern-backs-trump-s-plan-for-interstate-right-to-carry-reciprocity-law


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: oldgraygeek on November 18, 2016, 07:59:34 PM
Howard Stern supports National Carry Reciprocity Legislation.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161118/howard-stern-backs-trump-s-plan-for-interstate-right-to-carry-reciprocity-law

Howard's a big Second Amendment supporter. Has been for a long time.
I listen every day... I've heard him make many long, well-reasoned arguments in favor of the RKBA, including what he said this week.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 19, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
A good list of Republicans but as expected not a single democrat.

If this legislation gets passed and signed into law, I'm betting Democrats with gun permits will use it to carry just like Republicans, but they will be afraid to admit it to their friends.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on November 24, 2016, 10:57:19 AM
Put 10 round magazines on your gift list if you plan to carry while visiting NY, CT, DC, or HI, and also places like Oak Park, IL. And maybe some 15 rounders for NJ.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 25, 2016, 08:35:32 AM
My gun cam with two 17 round mags. A couple of years ago when De. was talking 10 round limit mags. I bought 2 from Ivanhoe Wholesale in Mass. They listed for about $42.00 each from Ruger. I got the for $25 each from Ivanhoe. And they were factory packed Ruger mags.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 26, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Pro-Gun legislation being prepared for Trump Administration:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/25/wsj-gop-nra-preparing-slate-of-pro-gun-bills-for-president-elect-donald-trump/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on December 01, 2016, 06:13:23 PM
This is probably something we're aware of, but I thought it was an interesting.

https://www.usafirearmtraining.com/national/challenges-to-donald-trumps-proposed-national-reciprocity-bill/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 01, 2016, 08:13:02 PM
This is probably something we're aware of, but I thought it was an interesting.

https://www.usafirearmtraining.com/national/challenges-to-donald-trumps-proposed-national-reciprocity-bill/
Yes, tends to dampen the euphoria but does change impossible back to difficult and, in some states, herculean.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on December 01, 2016, 08:51:25 PM
I fully expect to have to obey the differing rules and regs of each different state; much like it is now.  The other two items will (or may) make it more difficult to get all the states on board.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on December 07, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
Fox News: GOP Rep has a new reciprocity bill for the new congress.  Over 200 co-sponsors in 48 hours.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/12/07/gop-lawmaker-betting-on-trump-to-push-new-concealed-carry-law.html



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: groundgrid on December 07, 2016, 04:07:06 PM
Here is a link to the text of the proposed bill:

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Concealed-Carry-Reciprocity-Act-of-2017-Rep.-Hudson.pdf

It appears to me that New Jersey & Maryland are pretty much screwed.
The bill also seems to imply that if you have a permit from ANYWHERE it must be accepted in ANY state.
For example a Utah non-resident permit must be accepted in Maryland even if you are a Maryland resident.

Also the following would prevent states from arresting you if you violate one of their cryptic restrictions:
‘‘(c)(1) A person who carries or possesses a concealed
13 handgun in accordance with subsections (a) and (b) may
14 not be arrested or otherwise detained for violation of any
15 law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political
16 subdivision thereof related to the possession, transpor-
17 tation, or carrying of firearms unless there is probable
18 cause to believe that the person is doing so in a manner
19 not provided for by this section.




Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 07, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
Maryland has a concealed carry permit, although seldom issued. So according to how I read HR986 they would have to abide by Federal Law. NJ is another story.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: groundgrid on December 07, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
New Jersey falls into the same category as MD.
They do issue  permits to a very few, well connected people. Therefore, they must abide by the law &
recognize out of state permits.

All 50 states & DC have some kind of CCW law on the books, even if it is a very restrictive may issue scheme.
As written, this bill would essentially make every state shall issue whether they do it formally or by being forced to recognize out of state permits.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: oldgraygeek on December 07, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
It looks like the NRA is going for a stricter form of reciprocity, which I would refer to as "resident permit reciprocity:"

"North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson on Monday released the details of the bill he plans to introduce in the next session. The bill would allow anybody with a valid concealed carry permit from the state they live in to carry a gun in any other state."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/12/06/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-bill-in-the-pipeline-for-next-congress-n2255871


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on December 07, 2016, 08:22:18 PM
So, that would mean that I could carry in NJ while, for the most part, NJ residents can't?  Also, I think the hollow point prohibition in NJ would still apply.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 12, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
Good news for permit holders:


http://freebeacon.com/issues/national-reciprocity-bill-will-apply-non-resident-gun-carry-permits/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 17, 2017, 05:00:52 PM
The lies that the lying liars are telling about National Concealed Carry:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170113/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-lies-and-the-lying-liars-who-tell-them


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 17, 2017, 05:12:30 PM
Also here is an update on H.R. 38, now with 128 co-sponsors including 2 Democrats:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on January 18, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/all-actions?r=1&overview=closed#tabs
Date                   All                                     Actions
01/12/2017   Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations. Action By: House Judiciary
01/03/2017   Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.  Action By: House of Representatives
01/03/2017   Introduced in House. Action By: House of Representatives


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 18, 2017, 05:00:16 PM
Last year this bill never got out of the Judiciary Committee, This one got introduced and hopscotched to Homeland in 9 days. Co-Sponsors now at 132. This is good.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on January 18, 2017, 07:57:09 PM
Interesting sentence in HR38
“(2) A person possessing or carrying a concealed handgun in a State under subsection (a) may do so in any of the following areas in the State that are open to the public:
...
“(D) Land administered and managed by the Army Corps of Engineers.


C&D Canal is adminstered by the Corps.



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 19, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
You are correct.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on January 21, 2017, 06:38:49 PM
This bill also allows you to sue a State or local jurisdiction and the individuals involved if arrested and charged illegally.

“(d)(1) A person who is deprived of any right, privilege, or immunity secured by this section, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage of any State or any political subdivision thereof, may bring an action in any appropriate court against any other person, including a State or political subdivision thereof, who causes the person to be subject to the deprivation, for damages or other appropriate relief."


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 25, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
HR 38 Reciprocity Bill now has 144 co-sponsors. 142 Republicans and 2 Democrats.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on January 25, 2017, 05:46:57 PM
HR 38 Reciprocity Bill now has 144 co-sponsors. 142 Republicans and 2 Democrats.

What does it take to pass the house and the senate?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on January 25, 2017, 06:20:36 PM
The sooner this is passed the better.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Lumspond on January 25, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Topper, it takes a simple majority.
218 votes to pass the House (435 members).
If it passes, it goes to the Senate where it requires 51 votes (from 100).


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on January 25, 2017, 07:08:39 PM
It is likely that the Dem Senators will filbuster the bill which will require 60 votes to invoke cloture. Or the Majority Leader could attach HR38 to a must-pass bill and it could skate thruogh.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on January 25, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
The Senate Majority leader is a snake.  Our rights are very low on his priority list. I don't see him expending any political capital on gun rights. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 26, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Answers to common questions on National Reciprocity:

https://gunowners.org/answering-reciprocity-questions.htm


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on February 12, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
Co-sponsors on HR 38 now 152. 150 Republicans and 2 Democrats.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on February 12, 2017, 10:12:46 PM
Bill has been in Judiciary's Crime subcommittee for 31 days now. Can't find any calendar that shows when the subcommittee will meet.   No meeting scheduled Feb 13-17 (https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/week-ahead-house-judiciary-committee-february-13-17-2017/).  Yea, I know. Patience is a virtue.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on February 17, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
2 more representatives signed on to HR 38, bringing the total to 154. 152 Repubs. and 2 Democrats.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on February 25, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
Up to 159 co-sponsors. 159/435 = 36.6% of the House of Representatives including one Republican from NJ.  Bill is stuck in subcommittee purgatory since Jan 12th.  Hope this isn't a case of legislators co-sponsoring a bill that they know can't pass but they can brag about at the next town meeting.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on February 25, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
The chairman of the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations is Trey Gowdy (R, SC).

Here is  his website:

https://gowdy.house.gov/

Please send him a respectful note requesting he advance HR 38 back to the full Judiciary Committee and then to the full house for a vote.

Worth a shot.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Adrenolin on February 25, 2017, 01:20:13 PM
Here is a direct link to send him an email...

https://gowdyforms.house.gov/forms/writeyourrep/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on February 28, 2017, 06:30:32 AM
And the beat goes on
S.446 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 A bill to allow reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms. (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?r=1)
Introduced by Sen. John Cornyn, R-TX. 30 cosponsors- all Republican. No text yet. In Senate Judiciary Committee as on 2/27.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on February 28, 2017, 08:00:20 AM
Add one more. Now 160 co-sponsors on HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 01, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
Senate Version, S446 submitted to Congress:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s446?utm_campaign=govtrack_email_update&utm_source=govtrack/email_update&utm_medium=email


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 07, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
How long will it take to get Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act to President Donald Trump to be signed into law.
Well, it may be harder than we hope. There is a lot of work to do, and foot dragging by the House and Senate even though they are in the majority.

http://concealednation.org/2017/01/trump-how-quickly-can-he-have-national-reciprocity-passed/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on March 08, 2017, 08:58:21 AM
The text  (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text?r=1)of S.446 has now been published. Non-prohibited residents without permits in constitutional carry states are included in national reciprocity along with permit holders of other states.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 10, 2017, 08:08:35 AM
I'm not as keen on S 446 as I am on HB 38. If you read them both you will see they are not the same. I like HB 38 and hope it prevails.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: muleman88 on March 10, 2017, 10:53:21 AM
Forgive me as I'm not up to date with this bill. If passed would this allow legal Delaware residents with their permit to travel armed in Md? Or would their be a clause that allows the individual states to block those actions if the bill becomes law?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on March 10, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Forgive me as I'm not up to date with this bill. If passed would this allow legal Delaware residents with their permit to travel armed in Md? Or would their be a clause that allows the individual states to block those actions if the bill becomes law?
If carrying, you will have to know and follow the laws (statewide, city, and local) of the state you are visiting. Expect states like MD & NJ to make their laws as tricky as possible to discourage concealed carry. Do 'No Guns' signs carry the force of law? 10 round mag limit? Gun Free School zones? Let the concealed carrier beware!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 22, 2017, 07:43:51 AM
HR 38 now has 180 co-signors for concealed carry reciprocity passage.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: CorBon on March 22, 2017, 11:53:49 AM
Forgive me as I'm not up to date with this bill. If passed would this allow legal Delaware residents with their permit to travel armed in Md? Or would their be a clause that allows the individual states to block those actions if the bill becomes law?
If carrying, you will have to know and follow the laws (statewide, city, and local) of the state you are visiting. Expect states like MD & NJ to make their laws as tricky as possible to discourage concealed carry. Do 'No Guns' signs carry the force of law? 10 round mag limit? Gun Free School zones? Let the concealed carrier beware!
Let's not start worrying about how we'll spend our millions before the Powerball numbers are drawn!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on March 22, 2017, 02:07:35 PM
HR 38 now has 180 co-signors for concealed carry reciprocity passage.
Thanks for the update Sturm.   Are you following the senate version too?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 22, 2017, 03:29:08 PM
Yes, but S 466 hasn't had many additional sign-ons. total still 36. I much prefer HB 38 myself.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 30, 2017, 07:53:25 AM
HR 38 now has 185 co-sponsors, as another group of members from the US House of Representatives sign on a co-sponsors.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on April 07, 2017, 08:50:01 AM
2 more sign on to HR 38 bringing the total now to 187 co-sponsors.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

And this all on the day Judge Neil Gorsuch is placed on the Supreme court.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/07/justice-gorsuch-senate-confirms-trumps-first-scotus-pick/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on April 13, 2017, 07:33:41 AM
Hr 38 now has 188 co-sponsors

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: hap_hazzard on April 15, 2017, 06:01:45 AM
Sturm, thank you for the updates. Anytime I see a post from you in this tread it makes me smile no matter what kind of day I am having!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on April 28, 2017, 04:31:26 PM
Watched President Trump address the NRA today. Great speach. The main point I got was that he thanked the NRA for being there for him, and stated that he would be there for the NRA. He is a lifetime member and a concealed carry permit holder for many years.

He has stated that if the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 is passed and laid on his desk he will gladly sign it into law.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 29thInfantry on April 28, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
I impenitently await the outcome of this law.  Hopefully it is in our favor.   


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 01, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
There are now 189 co-sponsors signed on tho this including a few Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors


Congress will be returning from break and hopefully this bill will be brought out of committee and to the floor for a passing House vote. Then it would go to the Senate.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 8thFA on May 01, 2017, 05:22:16 PM
There are now 189 co-sponsors signed on tho this including a few Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors


Congress will be returning from break and hopefully this bill will be brought out of committee and to the floor for a passing House vote. Then it would go to the Senate.
Thanks for keeping us up to date with this law, greatly appreciate it.  Hopefully this thing keeps rollin!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 03, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
3 more Reps. signed on, bringing the total Co-sponsors to 191 for HR 38.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on May 03, 2017, 07:53:52 PM
3 more Reps. signed on, bringing the total Co-sponsors to 191 for HR 38.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

The way I understand it, 218 are require to pass the house. It's starting to get close.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: airman1968 on May 04, 2017, 05:04:03 AM
That number may be 216 to pass...


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Bulldog021 on May 04, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
I think it is 216 based on teh HealthCare vote


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on May 04, 2017, 06:27:34 PM
I think it is 216 based on teh HealthCare vote
one half of 435  is 217.5 so if all of the members vote, 218 is required. The tougher game is in the Senate. 60 votes are required to invoke cloture on the inevitable filibuster. The companion bill, S.446 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?pageSort=alpha&r=1&q=%7B%22cosponsor-state%22%3A%22West+Virginia%22%7D) has 37 Senators signed on.
Both bills are stagnant: Senate bill in committee since 2/27. House bill referred to SUBcommittee on 1/12. With the healthcare bill now passed by the House, Trey Gowdy might have time to consider this bill.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 06, 2017, 08:21:02 AM
I believe CBMarine is right. The only good thin is that HR 38 has 3 Democrats signed on as co-sponsors. Not so on S446. with no Democrats supporting. And of course no Delaware anti-gun but head would think of supporting either of these bills.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 12, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina signs on as a co-sponsor of HR 38, bringing the total now to 192.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 19, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
HR 38 now has 193 co-sponsors as Rep. Jason Lewis of Mich. just signed on.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 23, 2017, 08:13:20 AM
Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) signed on to Senate Bill 446, the Senate version of the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, yesterday. That brings the co-sponsors to 37 now.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?q={%22search%22:[%22congressId:115+AND+billStatus:\%22Introduced\%22%22]}&r=41&pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on May 23, 2017, 07:25:24 PM
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), Bronze Star, Ranger, Iraq & Afghanistan, has not signed yet. Anyone know why?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on May 24, 2017, 07:40:46 AM


He may be a little week in the knees after being hammered at a "town hall" type meeting where he was harrassed by members of the Bloomberg anti-gun group. See the piece below from that encounter: 
Tell Congress: Don't Gut Our Gun Laws

The NRA is pushing a law that would force all 50 states to allow anyone to carry loaded, concealed guns in public, with no background checks or training. At Everytown for Gun Safety, we believe this puts us all at risk. But the NRA won't be satisfied until anyone -- even dangerous people -- can carry a gun anywhere. Sign the petition to Congress: Don't let Donald Trump and the NRA gut our gun laws. Say NO to the NRA's national concealed carry reciprocity bill.

Paid for by Everytown for Gun Safety.
(The Michael Bloomberg Anti-Gun group)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 07, 2017, 08:18:59 AM

Co-Sponsors of HR38 now at 194:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 8thFA on June 07, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
Thanks for keeping us posted brother! What are the odds this thing will get passed?  I fear all the distractions aren't helping matters...


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 08, 2017, 07:19:26 AM
On 6/7/2017 Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR-2) signed on to HR 38 to bring the total Co-Sponsors to 195.
You ask what are the chances? Well that depends on Paul Ryan for the House Bill and Mitch McConnell in the Senate. They are the "Gatekeepers" of what get to the floor for a up and down vote. At this point I am not happy with either of them, as I feel they are both anti-Trump Republicans. They don't want to help his agenda and want to control the Republican agenda themselves, as they don't look at him as a real Republican. Some people make the mistake in believing all Liberals are Democrats. They are quite a few Republican Liberals in the Congress. So, that being said, I would give the National Reciprocity Bills (HR 38 and S 446) no better than a 50/50 chance of hitting the floor. Rest assure, that if these bills die, they will be back again under new bill numbers in the next session of Congress. It has been stated by President Donald J. Trump (himself a concealed carry permit holder and lifetime member of the NRA) that he will sign this into law as soon as they hit his desk.
Of course we, in the "Monocracy" of Delaware, cannot count on any support from our Congressional Representatives, because they are all Democrats. It is foolish on how we keep putting these Liberal Progressives anti-gunners, in office and expecting a different result. It's Moronic!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 8thFA on June 08, 2017, 06:05:12 PM
It's frustrating for sure.  I'm so sick of having to remember to leave my gun at home every time I travel a few miles across the border into MD, it's nuts.  I guess 50/50 is better than zero, but still not a sure thing.  Let's get this done already.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on June 08, 2017, 08:57:58 PM
Even if this passes the house, it will have a tough time in the senate.  Hopefully this inquisition of. President Trump will die down now as the Comey testimony has turned out to be a load of dung.

If that happens we might get a vote on this perhaps attached to something else.

I cringe when I hear the terms "liberal" and "progressive".  They are neither. They are Collectivists and Socialists.  They are the opposite of Liberty and Progress.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 8thFA on June 09, 2017, 07:35:53 PM
Yes, this circus has surely been a huge distraction, I too hope after this dies down that some real momentum gathers.  I work in Maryland, shop in Maryland, have friends in Maryland, would love to carry in Maryland...  especially in Elkton...

I love how liberals guarded by armed security are hell bent on taking our rights away.  Nuts!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 10, 2017, 07:17:14 AM
Rep. David Swcheikert of Az. became the 196th sign-on for HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 16, 2017, 03:53:16 AM
June 15th was a good day for HR 38. 3 more Representatives signed on as Co-Sponsors to this bill.
Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY-5), Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA-9), and Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE-2) now bring the total to 199 Co-Sponsors.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: oldgraygeek on June 16, 2017, 05:04:19 AM
In light of recent events, even some Democrats should be willing to get on board.
If reciprocity existed, many Congresspersons and their staffers would have been carrying at the ball field...


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on June 16, 2017, 01:38:54 PM
CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/congress-members-carry-weapons/index.html)
Rep. Chris Collins, a Republican from New York, said that prior to Wednesday's shooting, he used to carry his handgun on rare occasions. He says he now plans to carry it on him at all times.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 16, 2017, 03:47:11 PM
Rep. Chris Collins signed onto HR 38 way back in January.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on June 16, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/congress-members-carry-weapons/index.html)
Rep. Chris Collins, a Republican from New York, said that prior to Wednesday's shooting, he used to carry his handgun on rare occasions. He says he now plans to carry it on him at all times.

Won't he be in violation of DC laws?  It would be interesting if he is arrested and charged.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on June 16, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/congress-members-carry-weapons/index.html)
Rep. Chris Collins, a Republican from New York, said that prior to Wednesday's shooting, he used to carry his handgun on rare occasions. He says he now plans to carry it on him at all times.

Won't he be in violation of DC laws?  It would be interesting if he is arrested and charged.
I infer that he has or will have a DC permit. Rep. Massie wants to require DC to give reciprocity to all the other States.  (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/thomas-massie-wants-dc-to-recognize-concealed-carry-permits-from-other-states/article/2626118) Oddly, Massie is not a co-sponsor of HR 38 where 3 Dems have joined with 196 Repub co-sponsors. With Rep Hudson as Sponsor, there are now 200 House reps on-board. Now if they will actually take some legislative action!
Edit: Jun 17
Don't hold your breath waiting for subcommittee action.
THURSDAY, JUNE 22
10:00 a.m.
Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations
Hearing on: Juvenile Justice Reform in the Modern Era
Witnesses TBA (https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/week-ahead-june-19-23-2017/)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on June 19, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
There was an interesting back and forth today on FoxNews.com.  I didn't get a chance to record it and foxnews.com didn't post it on their website.  Anyway, in short, both the Republican and the Democrat agreed that national reciprosity was a good idea but the Democrat wanted national standards required courses including the background check.  She was pushing a federal CCW license good in all states.  The important thing is that both of them said that national reciprosity or carry was a good idea. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 23, 2017, 03:55:25 PM
Reciprocity not just for US Congress, but for all Concealed Carry Permit holders:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/23/national-reciprocity-america-first-must-replace-congress-first/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 24, 2017, 07:59:58 AM
Big round of applause to Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Co-6 ) for being the 200th to sign on to HR 38, The National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on June 24, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
On FoxNews this evening, Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-TX-19) said that congressmen shouldn't get a special carry privilege. He is a co-sponsor of HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on June 24, 2017, 05:16:20 PM
Huzzah for Arrington....rasberrys for Mo Brooks.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: CorBon on June 24, 2017, 05:42:42 PM
On FoxNews this evening, Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-TX-19) said that congressmen shouldn't get a special carry privilege. He is a co-sponsor of HR 38.
Yeah, it was particularly interesting that neither sponsor of the two new proposals had signed on to the original bill.  Just more of the "one for me and none for you" attitude that the "privileged" continue to exhibit. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 25, 2017, 05:40:50 AM
Or , as one guy put it, "Protection for me, but none for the". If they would pass Hr 38 and/or s 446 we would all be able to have the same protection, including congress. I'm for that. They are not special.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 14, 2017, 07:42:18 AM
Paul Ryam and Mitch McConnell both need to go .

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/13/everytown-takes-victory-lap-paul-ryan-lets-national-reciprocity-stall/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on July 14, 2017, 09:29:35 AM
The way I read it is it's not dead yet, but Ryan isn't going to help. Is that how everyone else interprets that?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on July 14, 2017, 06:01:03 PM
NRA on bill.  Up to 203.

[urlhttps://www.nraila.org/articles/20170714/gun-control-groups-good-at-gloating-bad-at-counting-on-advancing-national-reciprocity-effort][/url]


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on July 14, 2017, 08:11:52 PM
Didn't see in the NRA article (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170714/gun-control-groups-good-at-gloating-bad-at-counting-on-advancing-national-reciprocity-effort) that the bill has been stalled in the subcommittee for six months now and the House is about to go on recess.  There is a subcommittee meeting  (https://judiciary.house.gov/calendar/?subcommittee-filter%5B%5D=subcommittee-on-crime-terrorism-homeland-security-and-investigations)on July 20 titled Gangs in Our Communities: Drugs, Human Trafficking, and Violence.  One can only hope that some brilliant member will have an "aha" moment.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 15, 2017, 06:24:12 AM
Today the count is 204 co-sponsors for HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 23, 2017, 04:11:57 PM
On July 20th the 206th co-sponsor signed on to HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 24, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
Some questions and answers regarding HR 38 The National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017-2018:

http://gunowners.org/images/pdf/Concealed-Carry-Reciprocity-Act-of-2017-QA.pdf


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 25, 2017, 07:36:35 AM
Sen. John Cornyn's Senate Bill 446, the Senate version of HR 38 National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 has moved to the Senate Judiciary Committee with 37 Co-Sponsors:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446?loclr=cga-bill


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on July 25, 2017, 09:09:47 AM
HR 38 adds Rep. Daniel Webster, (R) Florida's 10 district to make 206 co-sponsors.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on July 25, 2017, 02:01:56 PM
Looking better.  When I can legally carry at 42nd and Broadway in Manhatten I'll be happy. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: groundgrid on July 25, 2017, 02:16:11 PM
On a related issue, DC's "Good Reason" requirement for a carry permit was invalidated today by the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

The following is a link to the decision:
https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/documents/public/36-wrenngracedecision/file

"We vacate both orders below and remand with instructions
to enter permanent injunctions against enforcement of the
District’s good-reason law."


The judge who issued the opinion is an excellent writer, very clear with little legalese.
He deserves to be the next one nominated for SCOTUS.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on August 09, 2017, 08:28:03 AM
Rep. Karen Handel (R-GA-6) becomes the number 208 co-sponsor of HR 38.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Radnor on August 21, 2017, 06:38:09 AM
The links at the bottom did not come over from the email.  You'll have to google the title to get the link.  Sorry.


Dear Radnor:
This week, our research was discussed on ABC's “The View”, Fox News' “The Five”, and “Fox & Friends”.  The Washington Post and Foxnews.com have run news stories on our research.  The Chicago Tribune published our op-ed on how Democrats pass laws making gun ownership too expensive for poor people. Other op-eds appeared at The Hill and Fox News.  We also appeared on Fox Business and on Turkish Worldwide Television.  See the links below
As if all that weren’t enough, our crimeresearch.org website now exceeds NRA.org and Bloomberg's Everytown.org in web traffic.  While the CPRC’s website ranks at 16,542, the NRA’s is 20,279 and Everytown’s isn’t even close at 73,973.  Pretty amazing.
In mid-September, the US House Judiciary Committee will hold hearings on a concealed handgun reciprocity bill which will make concealed carry permits valid across state lines (like driver’s licenses).  Most states already accept out-of-state concealed handgun permits, but eight heavily Democratic states do not.  If reciprocity becomes law, people in those states will quickly learn how unjustified their fears of permit holders are.
While the House of Representatives seems destined to pass reciprocity, two or three Democratic Senators will need to be swayed if we are to overcome the promised Democratic filibuster.
I need your help.  We need to raise money for public relations so that we can keep educating others.  And we still need to do some more research.
— Gun control organizations are using new research by John Donohue, a Stanford law professor, to claim that right-to-carry laws increase the number of aggravated assaults (and thus violent crime in general).  The debate up to this point has been over complex statistical issues, but there is also a simple way of responding to the claim in one or two simple sentences.   Donohue’s assumption is that permit holders are committing these crimes, but we are looking at the actual data on aggravated assaults by permit holders in each state.  I have already collected this data for some states, but we need it for the others so that we can assuage the fears of concerned voters and politicians. 
The other claim is that guns are being stolen from permit holders’ cars and then used to commit crimes.  Donohue's supposed anecdotes were in fact simply made up, but I would like to have some solid data on this issue.  We have just begun collecting data. 
— The Violence Policy Center has claimed that 230 permit holders have been convicted of murder in the past 10 years.  From the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal, the media keeps using the VPC reports.  But some of those 230 cases didn’t even involve permit holders.  And I have shown that in a few states, the VPC double, triple, or even quadruple-counted certain cases.  Furthermore, news stories aren't always reliable.  To come up with a more accurate number, the VPC would need to do FOIA requests and contact defense attorneys.
I have an idea for research that I think will make a real difference in the reciprocity debate. However, I don't want to publicly reveal this yet.
My best guess is that I could accomplish all of this for about $30,000. At this late date, some of the research won’t be completed until the Senate has already started to take up the reciprocity issue.   However, whatever funding we get will determine how much of this we get done before debate really begins.  With a Republican House and Senate, as well as a President who strongly supports this legislation, we have a unique chance to quickly do some really useful research.
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Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on September 02, 2017, 06:50:56 AM
In a significant portent of progress, the House Judiciary Chairman, Bob Goodlatte (https://judiciary.house.gov/the-chairman/) is the latest cosponsor of HR 38 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst&loclr=cga-bill). HR 38 is currently in the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 02, 2017, 09:26:50 AM
Couldn't have a better or more important man to sign on to HR 38.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 12, 2017, 03:35:09 PM

Ryans inaction gives the DIRTBAGS the upper hand.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/11/goa-speaker-ryans-inaction-reciprocity-allows-dirtbags/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on September 15, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
The NRA-ILA is reporting 212 co-sponsors for H.R. 38 and asking for support to get this one finished.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170915/national-reciprocity-bill-nears-goal-line-in-the-house-but-needs-your-support-to-reach-the-end-zone (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170915/national-reciprocity-bill-nears-goal-line-in-the-house-but-needs-your-support-to-reach-the-end-zone)



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 16, 2017, 05:21:31 AM
Here is a list of the 212 co-sponsors of HR 38, newest to oldest:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on September 16, 2017, 09:15:30 AM
Here is an article saying the reason the bill has not moved is Speaker Ryan.  It includes Ryan's phone number so we can call and, politely, ask that he move on this bill, HR38, and have a floor vote by the full House membership.

http://americangunnews.com/why-is-gop-leadership-blocking-concealed-carry-reciprocity/ (http://americangunnews.com/why-is-gop-leadership-blocking-concealed-carry-reciprocity/)



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on September 19, 2017, 05:43:59 AM
Also, on the Senate side, Sen Bill Cassidy (R-LA) signed on as a ci-sponsor of S 446, the Senate version of The National Consealed Carry reciprocity Act of 2017. He is the 38th co-sponsor. Mitch McConnell is the "gatekeeper" on the Senate floor, and as Paul Ryan is on the House side, The one keeping the Bill off the floor for a up or down vote. McConnell and Ryan both need to be ousted in the next election cycle.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on September 22, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
Politico has published an article that says the SHARE bill (including suppressors) may be for a floor vote as early as next week and HR38 (National Carry Reciprosity) may be voted on in October or November.  Keep in mind, it is Politico.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/21/congress-republicans-gun-rules-silencers-conceal-carry-242988 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/21/congress-republicans-gun-rules-silencers-conceal-carry-242988)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 17, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
Week 45 that House Speaker Paul Ryan (R) Wisconsin has kept HR38, The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 off the floor for discussion and vote.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/17/paul-ryan-ignoring-national-reciprocity-45th-consecutive-week/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 17, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
And this just in.... Rep. Curtis (R) of Utah just signed on as the 213th co-sponsor of HR 38. Hell, it only takes 218 votes to assure passage in the House. Surely you don't think 213 would be co-sponsors and then not vote for it. And I'm pretty sure there are 5 more votes there somewhere.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on November 17, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
It's pretty obvious that this is not going anywhere.  It of course would pass the House if Ryan were to bring it up, but would crash and burn in the Senate.  Sure hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Trapper on November 18, 2017, 06:59:44 PM
It's pretty obvious that this is not going anywhere.  It of course would pass the House if Ryan were to bring it up, but would crash and burn in the Senate.  Sure hope I'm wrong.

I agree, it isn’t going anywhere.  I’ve never trusted Paul Ryan and I’m glad I haven’t trusted him. He is just a typical politician out for himself.

We The People, need to take back the country.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 19, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
This may or may not be true. But, you can be assured it will not die. It will be reintroduced in the next House and Senate session, until it is passed.
NEVER GIVE UP!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: RetCapt1994 on November 19, 2017, 02:57:39 PM
We gave the Repubs the power in Congress but they have turned their gutless backs on us. These are the establishment turds and never Trumpers. I myself will never give another cent to the GOP either in DE or national. IMHO they are as useless as tits on a bull. I am sure the last sentence will be adjusted by the deccw PC police. I have a good mind to go to G'town and change my vote status to Independent.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on November 20, 2017, 05:46:18 AM
We gave the Repubs the power in Congress but they have turned their gutless backs on us. These are the establishment turds and never Trumpers. I myself will never give another cent to the GOP either in DE or national. IMHO they are as useless as tits on a bull. I am sure the last sentence will be adjusted by the deccw PC police. I have a good mind to go to G'town and change my vote status to Independent.

Tell us how you really feel. ;D
I have been a registered Independent all my life as I vote for the person  not the party. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 20, 2017, 07:49:43 AM
You are aware that in Delaware, if you are an Independent, you don't get to pick  the candidate in either the Republican or Democrat Parties. You end up with the candidate they give you. This may be a candidate you can't support or someone the Party thinks is entitled to be representing the Party. Such as Hillary Clinton for the Democrats, or another Bush for the Republicans. Both bad choices.
Of course I realize in Delaware, Democrats are always a bad choice.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: NormH3 on November 20, 2017, 09:48:58 AM
You are aware that in Delaware, if you are an Independent, you don't get to pick  the candidate in either the Republican or Democrat Parties. You end up with the candidate they give you. This may be a candidate you can't support or someone the Party thinks is entitled to be representing the Party. Such as Hillary Clinton for the Democrats, or another Bush for the Republicans. Both bad choices.
Of course I realize in Delaware, Democrats are always a bad choice.

You can change your affiliation before the primaries if you wish to vote in them. As far as the Republican Party in Delaware, it seems fairly weak. In some cases they don't eve have a candidate running against the Democrats. people just don't seem interested.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: NormH3 on November 20, 2017, 09:50:42 AM
We gave the Repubs the power in Congress but they have turned their gutless backs on us. These are the establishment turds and never Trumpers. I myself will never give another cent to the GOP either in DE or national. IMHO they are as useless as tits on a bull. I am sure the last sentence will be adjusted by the deccw PC police. I have a good mind to go to G'town and change my vote status to Independent.

Did you really believe they were going to rush right in and put this thing to a vote?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Paladin4CA on November 28, 2017, 12:29:15 AM
Quote
House panel to weigh bill expanding gun rights

House Republicans moved forward on legislation to expand gun owners’ rights, the first gun-related measure since mass shootings in Las Vegas and Texas killed more than 80 people.

The Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a National Rifle Association-supported bill that would allow a gun owner with a state-issued concealed carry permit to carry a handgun in any state that allows concealed weapons.

The reciprocity measure would allow gun owners to travel freely between states without worrying about conflicting state laws or “onerous” civil suits, said Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., the bill’s sponsor.
More at:
http://wate.com/2017/11/27/house-panel-to-weigh-bill-expanding-gun-rights/amp/

While I doubt it will pass the Senate, by forcing a vote over there it will smoke out antis and RINOs so that the NRA ("I'm the NRA!"), can replace them at the next November elections. "Lather. Rinse. Repeat" until we WIN!!!  ;D

For me, in CA, the way this bill is written is critical. Since I live in a county that won't issue me a CA CCW (because of insufficient "Good Cause"), I'll be able to use my non-resident FL CCW to carry in ALL 50 states (plus D.C.), so that includes CA too! This will be the same for those American citizens caught behind enemy lines in the other 7 remaining May Issue states. As John Lennon so famously said, "Imagine" HI (which now has, IIRC, 2 CCWs issued for the entire state), CA, MD, NJ, NY/NYC, DC, MA/Boston, etc FLOODED with CCWers, both instate and from out-of-state! (vacationers, business trips, family visits, etc)

IIRC, those 8 states have ~27% of the US population. Once they can readily get CCWs, we'll have MILLIONS of more CCWers, but, even more important, they'll be in the hardcore anti strongholds!

(http://www.gun-nuttery.com/maps/2017.gif)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 28, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
Even though Delaware is a "May Issue" state, I don't know or many cases where an applicant was turned down, unless they had a criminal/mental/violence background record. Then of course it is not the State that is to blame but the applicant themselves.

Any comments?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 28, 2017, 08:29:15 AM
As of now, all 210 Republicans have signed on as Co-Sponsors of HR 38, add to that 3 Democrats, totaling 213. When(and if) the bill comes up to the floor for a vote, it will need 5 more votes to make 218, which is required for a bill to pass. There are 435 member of the House. Of the 5 needed, Rep. Paul Ryan would vote to break a tie vote.
The Democrats signed on are Rep. Harry Cuellar of Texas, Rep. Coliin Peterson of Minn., and Rep. Sanford Bishop of Ga.

Other Democrats rated "C" or above by the NRA but not yet signed on are: Rep. Ron King of Wisc, Rep. Gene Green of Tex., Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio, Rep. John Barrow of Ga. (rated "A").


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 563jack on November 28, 2017, 02:23:39 PM
I read on Bearing Arms that 2 Gun bills are coming out of committee. National Reciprocity and update to the federal background check system. I don't think we'll see anything this year but next year could be a whole different story. We need to hammer our reps in Wash until they get tiered of hearing from us.

Maybe if we organize a march on Dover or something like that to get their attention maybe we can convince them to do something "FOR US"

I think its time to raise hell boys.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: topper on November 28, 2017, 04:09:42 PM
I read on Bearing Arms that 2 Gun bills are coming out of committee. National Reciprocity and update to the federal background check system. I don't think we'll see anything this year but next year could be a whole different story. We need to hammer our reps in Wash until they get tiered of hearing from us.

Maybe if we organize a march on Dover or something like that to get their attention maybe we can convince them to do something "FOR US"

I think its time to raise hell boys.

Just say when and where.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 563jack on November 29, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
Well here's more news on National Reciprocity
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/11/29/house-judiciary-committee-chairman-bob-goodlattes-comments-national-reciprocity-bill/ (https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/11/29/house-judiciary-committee-chairman-bob-goodlattes-comments-national-reciprocity-bill/)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 29, 2017, 04:45:11 PM
Action today on HR 38 by the US House of Representatives Judiciary Committee:

Introduced  01/03/2017
Bill   H.R. 38
Author  Rep. Hudson
Title   Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act
Action   Recorded Vote
Result   Passed as Amended (19-11)

Next it has to go to the floor for a full House vote I believe, then if passed it goes to the US Senate. Is that right?
 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Paladin4CA on November 30, 2017, 12:10:34 AM
Next it has to go to the floor for a full House vote I believe, then if passed it goes to the US Senate. Is that right?
The House bill could be voted on by the full House as soon as next week. (But even if it is not, there's a lot of pressure to vote on it before Jan 1st.)

Then the version sitting before the Senate Judiciary Cmte will have to start moving. If/when it passes out of committee, then it will face a floor vote in the Senate. That, IMO, is where the real "knock down, drag out" fight will take place. The antis will throw EVERYTHING they can against us to keep the bill from passing the Senate. If/when it does get voted on (perhaps as late as summer so that anti votes will take place close to the Nov elections), if it passes, it goes to Trump's desk for his (election promised) signature!

If it doesn't pass the Senate, the NRA will use those votes to replace antis/RINOs in both the House and Senate. FWIW, the Dems have 23 seats to defend vs 8 for the Repubs: that's almost 3x as many seats!  ;D


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 563jack on November 30, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
I read on Bearing Arms that 2 Gun bills are coming out of committee. National Reciprocity and update to the federal background check system. I don't think we'll see anything this year but next year could be a whole different story. We need to hammer our reps in Wash until they get tiered of hearing from us.

Maybe if we organize a march on Dover or something like that to get their attention maybe we can convince them to do something "FOR US"

I think its time to raise hell boys.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 02, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
Hope this has  a snowball effect:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/01/24-state-attorneys-congress-national-reciprocity-concealed-carry/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: PPScarry on December 02, 2017, 12:22:19 PM
Here is some push back.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-mass-shootings-retired-military-commanders-urge-congress-to-address-gun-violence-crisis/ar-BBG2X1c?ocid=HPCDHP


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: 563jack on December 02, 2017, 01:33:30 PM
Just a heads up here. I sent one of those tell your congressman to support the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act to Chris Coons. He thanked me for sharing my thoughts on the matter. Gave me some BS on how he as a self-proclaimed communist, that he believes that the right to bear arms is protected by the second amendment. Then Mr Coons says "I Oppose the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act because I believe federally imposed Concealed carry laws interfere with a states decisions on matters of public safety".

1.      I didn't ask him what he thought, I asked him to support the CCW reciprocity Act. Excuse me Mr Coons, your job is to do what I/we people of
         Delaware ask you to do.

2.       Why would Concealed Carry Reciprocity have an effect on a state's public safety other than making it safer. An armed society is a safe society.

3.       Another thing Mr. Coons points out is a sensible gun law in one state would not be sensible in another. Mr. Coons there is no such thing as a   
          sensible gun law in any state. I, you, nor anyone else can name one gun law that prevented or stopped a criminal from killing someone.

       A gun is a tool, no different than a hammer or a screwdriver. Its use is solely dependent upon the person using it. Nobody needs a gun to kill, they just need a reason.

Thank You for allowing me to rant. I feel much better now.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 02, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
I to sent a email letter to our Representative. I got a form letter back so fast, no human could have read my letter that fast. Same old Bull feces they always do. It will surprise me if any Delaware Politician votes yes on a National Reciprocity bill. Delaware Politicians suck.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: muleman88 on December 04, 2017, 06:49:19 AM
I to sent a email letter to our Representative. I got a form letter back so fast, no human could have read my letter that fast. Same old Bull feces they always do. It will surprise me if any Delaware Politician votes yes on a National Reciprocity bill. Delaware Politicians suck.
Yes they do!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 04, 2017, 04:39:22 PM
HR 38 may hit the floor of the House on Wednesday:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/04/exclusive-rep-richard-hudson-congress-must-listen-overwhelming-majority-americans-pass-national-reciprocity/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 05, 2017, 08:04:39 AM
Amendment to HR 38 added:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/115th-congress/house-report/433

HR 38 may go to the Floor Tomorrow.........


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Radnor on December 05, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
I called Lisa Blunt Rochester's DC office AND emailed her.

Doubt it will help, but worth a try. 
(NO, I didn't hit my head on anything this morning)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 05, 2017, 01:41:15 PM
I'm so fed up with Delaware's Democrat Monacracy that I hesitate to even participate in an attempt to contact them. Coons, Carney, and Rochester are all part of the problem, not the answer or cure. But as long as the keep the money distributed from downstate to upstate, the morons up there will keep on sucking up the swill and voting them back in office.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: muleman88 on December 05, 2017, 02:52:14 PM
I'm so fed up with Delaware's Democrat Monacracy that I hesitate to even participate in an attempt to contact them. Coons, Carney, and Rochester are all part of the problem, not the answer or cure. But as long as the keep the money distributed from downstate to upstate, the morons up there will keep on sucking up the swill and voting them back in office.
Its hard to vote against FREE stuff!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 05, 2017, 05:00:23 PM
Just finished watching the C-Span channel Judiciary committee hearing on HR 38. Several Democrats put on vary dramatic performances in protest of, and amendments to the bill, but all were voted down by a good majority.
I believe next the bill goes to the full House floor for discussion and vote. I believe that will happen tomorrow (Wednesday).


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on December 06, 2017, 04:19:26 PM
This passed the house today.  6 democrats voted for it and 14 Republicans voted against it.  231 to 198.  The bill would also "enhance" background checks. Some also wanted a ban on so called "bump stocks", but this was not attached to the bill. 

Unless this gets some Democratic support in the Senate it is unlikely to pass.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363628-house-passes-concealed-carry-gun-bill


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 06, 2017, 04:49:23 PM
Glad to hear this passed in the House. But you are right, the real fight will be in the US Senate. It will take every Republican plus VP Pence to get this through. Problem is "Never Trumpers" like John McCain and a few others would like nothing better that to screww Trump, ever at the price of screwing 73% of Americans that favor this legislation. This will be politics at its worst.
Of course all the Democrat anti-gunners have to do is vote "NO" and let the "Never Trumpers" take the blame for the Trump loss.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on December 06, 2017, 05:12:33 PM
I am encouraged with the passing of the bill in the house but as all have said the real test is in the senate.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 07, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
Of course our own Blunt-Rochester voted against it. Who'da thunk?

This needs to be remembered come election time.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 08, 2017, 10:08:50 AM
HR 38 assigned to Senate Juduciary Cmte. Its members are:
Republican Members:
Grassley, Chuck (IA) , Chairman
Hatch, Orrin G. (UT)
Graham, Lindsey (SC)
Cornyn, John (TX)
Lee, Mike (UT)
Cruz, Ted (TX)
Sasse, Ben (NE)
Flake, Jeff (AZ)
Crapo, Mike (ID)
Tillis, Thom (NC)
Kennedy, John (LA)
Democrat Members:
Feinstein, Dianne (CA), Ranking Member
Leahy, Patrick J. (VT)
Durbin, Richard J. (IL)
Whitehouse, Sheldon (RI)
Klobuchar, Amy (MN)
Franken, Al (MN)
Coons, Christopher A. (DE)
Blumenthal, Richard (CT)
Hirono, Mazie K. (HI)


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Radnor on December 08, 2017, 11:02:16 AM
You know DiFi & Coons will be voting for it. ;)
Dont see any of the D's going for it.

Hopefully all the R's will vote for it.

When's Al's last day?  That will be 1 less NO.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 08, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
...
When's Al's last day?  That will be 1 less NO.
Al (Groper) Franken said “in the coming weeks”. It could be that he might try to renege if Roy Moore is elected but that would be a ‘tough row to hoe’ when 33 Dem senators told him to resign. They would have to appear to be flip-floppers.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 08, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
Chairman Chuck Grassley and 4 of the other Repubs are signed on as Co-Sponsors
to the Senate version of HR 38, which is S.466. John Cornyn is the one that wrote the bill and has been working to get this passes for years.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: MarkB on December 08, 2017, 06:55:46 PM
I received this today.  It's a lot of questions and answers about HR 38.  Very interesting.

www.concealedcarry.com/national/answers-to-your-questions-about-hr-38-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/ (http://www.concealedcarry.com/national/answers-to-your-questions-about-hr-38-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/)



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Paladin4CA on December 08, 2017, 07:13:55 PM
Bloomberg has committed to spend up to $25,000,000 to defeat just the national reciprocity bill.

IIRC, the NRA spent $24,000,000 total in both the primary and general election supporting Trump ($14M supporting him, $10M attacking his opponents).

This is going to be an unbelievably nasty fight....


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 08, 2017, 09:03:20 PM
I received this today.  It's a lot of questions and answers about HR 38.  Very interesting.

www.concealedcarry.com/national/answers-to-your-questions-about-hr-38-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/ (http://www.concealedcarry.com/national/answers-to-your-questions-about-hr-38-national-concealed-carry-reciprocity/)
I disagree with the author's conclusion that mag limits imposed by a State are overridden. HR 38  (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text)says:
“(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—

“(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

“(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

I interpret 'restrict' to leave State laws in place based on the premise that property is either privately owned or State owned, e.g., an NJ street belongs to State or local government. If you are moseying around NJ outside of FOPA, you had better be carrying a 10 round mag.  If this isn't the correct interpretation, the Senate is likely to revise the bill to accommodate the States.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 09, 2017, 08:06:36 AM
Received this HR 38 update today:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text?loclr=cga-bill


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 11, 2017, 02:50:09 PM
Not good news from Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/11/concealed-carry-bill-backers-brace-for-senate-fight.html) on the Senate proceedings
Despite last week's fanfare, any Senate vote on concealed carry is not expected until next spring, sources said Monday.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 11, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
We can put the blame soley on the lap of Mitch McConnell.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Adrenolin on December 11, 2017, 06:10:42 PM
It’s no surprise though.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on December 12, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
The Senate climb just got steeper. Doug Jones (D) projected to defeat Roy Moore (R) in Alabama senate race.  In Jan 2018, the split will be 51 Repub vs 49 Dem.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 13, 2017, 07:33:42 AM
If the Reciprocity Bill fails, you can blame it on Mitch McConnell. He had the chance to immediately bring it to a Senate vote when he had a 52 member vote majority.
But he "dithered" and now the majority is only by 1 Republican member. Take from that the Republican "never Trumpers" and this Bill is destine to fail, unless you put a fire under Mitch McConell.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/12/red-state-dems-national-reciprocity/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: PPScarry on December 13, 2017, 08:15:32 AM
Even with 52, there are enough weak kneed republicans to foil the vote. Lets face it, there are too many republicans in name only and their leader is Mitch the never Trumper. I'm afraid your right Sturm. Oh I long for the days of tar and feather.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 14, 2017, 09:55:18 AM
I second that. All in favor say aye!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 14, 2017, 01:57:23 PM
Hey. and here's some really good news. Speaker Paul Ryan (R) of Wisconsin is going to retire at the end of his current term Good ridance.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-considering-retirement-at-end-of-term/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: PPScarry on December 14, 2017, 02:28:08 PM
One down 500 or so to go. I would take 1 majority leader from the Senate.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on December 14, 2017, 02:31:08 PM
If the Reciprocity Bill fails, you can blame it on Mitch McConnell. He had the chance to immediately bring it to a Senate vote when he had a 52 member vote majority.
But he "dithered" and now the majority is only by 1 Republican member. Take from that the Republican "never Trumpers" and this Bill is destine to fail, unless you put a fire under Mitch McConell.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/12/red-state-dems-national-reciprocity/
Remember that in the Senate you will need 60 votes.  You will have to break a filibuster


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 15, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Hey. and here's some really good news. Speaker Paul Ryan (R) of Wisconsin is going to retire at the end of his current term Good ridance.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-considering-retirement-at-end-of-term/

Seems this may be "Fake News" released. He denies he's leaving at this point.
Rats!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: PPScarry on December 15, 2017, 12:35:55 PM
If the Reciprocity Bill fails, you can blame it on Mitch McConnell. He had the chance to immediately bring it to a Senate vote when he had a 52 member vote majority.
But he "dithered" and now the majority is only by 1 Republican member. Take from that the Republican "never Trumpers" and this Bill is destine to fail, unless you put a fire under Mitch McConell.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/12/red-state-dems-national-reciprocity/
Remember that in the Senate you will need 60 votes.  You will have to break a filibuster


I guess this doesn't qualify for reconciliation unless incorporated within a budget?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on January 16, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
45 weeks and Mitch McConnell is still sitting on Reciprocity Bill:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/16/mitch-mcconnell-ignores-national-reciprocity-45th-consecutive-week/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Redden Rooster on February 04, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
If congress or our president were serious about this, why hasn't anyone suggested changing the regulations that prohibits carrying at the VA or the post office? It could be changed to be allowed if licensed by the state the facility is in, as the gun free school zone law allows to be done. Has anyone heard of any suggestions like this?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on February 05, 2018, 08:38:29 AM
The hold-up from this bill coming to the floor in the US Senate is Mitch McConnell.
He alone is the "Gatekeeper" to what bill come before the US Senate.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cutter on February 11, 2018, 03:42:07 AM
60 minutes is running a feature on the National Reciprocity Bill tonight (2/11) at 7:00pm. Could be very interesting!


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on February 11, 2018, 11:32:51 AM
60 minutes is running a feature on the National Reciprocity Bill tonight (2/11) at 7:00pm. Could be very interesting!
Ooooo. Scary.    Licensed concealed carriers crossing state lines so they can shoot people with impurity. 
OMG they are just itching to shoot innocent people in New York and California.  Only thing stopping them is that their license is not valid in those states.

Wild West, OK corral, shoot out at every parking lot.....



Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on February 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
60 minutes is running a feature on the National Reciprocity Bill tonight (2/11) at 7:00pm. Could be very interesting!
Ooooo. Scary.    Licensed concealed carriers crossing state lines so they can shoot people with impurity. 
OMG they are just itching to shoot innocent people in New York and California.  Only thing stopping them is that their license is not valid in those states.

Wild West, OK corral, shoot out at every parking lot.....


I missed it but I may watch it later on the CBS app.
Was it really that bad only negative stuff?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on February 11, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
60 Minutes had on a gun control advocate who quoted the 2008 Supreme Court Heller decision that allowed guns in the home but our intrepid reporters failed to note this from the WaPo article entitled D.C. Circuit upholds right to bear arms for D.C. residents (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/25/d-c-circuit-upholds-right-to-bear-arms-for-d-c-residents/?utm_term=.3a9b273818ab)
” In 2014, the D.C. law making it impossible to obtain a permit to carry outside the home is held unconstitutional. (Similar to an Illinois statute that was held unconstitutional by the 7th Circuit in 2012.)

They also put on police chiefs who talked up increased violence due to guns but never made an reference to John Lott’s More Guns, Less Crime.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: muleman88 on February 12, 2018, 07:13:28 AM
They just tried to say that large city’s  will be less safe if the bill passes . Pushing states that do not require the “training” will allow people to carry firearms in city’s like New York when their own people can’t. They claim that law enforcement is against this bill and had some law enforcement saying it will make people less safe.  It certainly was not on our side . I made sure I changed the channel as soon as it was over .. I didn’t want to help their ratings anymore than I had to .


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on February 12, 2018, 07:55:33 AM
Did anyone really expect anything less that a Left-Wing presentation from CBS 60 Minutes, on the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017-18?
This wasn't an interview. It was a Left-Wing idealogy piece.
In a true interview you ask the guest questions to bring light and truth to the subject. So why did the moderator do most of the talking(lecturing)?

Same old tired Left-Wing blather.

Why would we expect more?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: seniorgeek on February 12, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
I can always dream, but I expected it to be anti-gun all the way through.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on February 14, 2018, 04:44:26 PM
Interesting pair of articles from CCW Safe (https://ccwsafe.com/blog/concealed-carry-reciprocity-act) and Legal Heat  (https://mylegalheat.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/2amendment/).  In the first article the author points out , HR 38 will allow carry in States where that State issues concealed carry licenses. But States such as NJ, MD, NY, and HI could just eliminate concealed carry altogether or tighten up the laws to make carry unfeasible.

The Legal Heat articles distinguishes between “keep arms” (which Supreme Court has ruled as constitutional) from “bear arms” (which SCOTUS has not yet ruled on). “Bear arms” is a state issue which fortunately for us, Delaware has done.  California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York have not.
Section 20. (http://delcode.delaware.gov/constitution/constitution-02.shtml#P95_7849) A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 15, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
Senate Bill 446 (the Senate version of HR38) makes a small step forward. Judiciary hearing started 3/14/2018.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22congressId%3A115+AND+billStatus%3A%5C%22Introduced%5C%22%22%5D%7D&r=41


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Paladin4CA on March 17, 2018, 11:55:59 AM
Interesting pair of articles from CCW Safe (https://ccwsafe.com/blog/concealed-carry-reciprocity-act) and Legal Heat  (https://mylegalheat.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/2amendment/).  In the first article the author points out , HR 38 will allow carry in States where that State issues concealed carry licenses. But States such as NJ, MD, NY, and HI could just eliminate concealed carry altogether or tighten up the laws to make carry unfeasible.
I doubt whether even the antis on SCOTUS would go along with NY banning CC since they already ban OC, and thus would effectively ban the Right to Bear Arms entirely. Practically, that is also true for the vast majority of CA residents as well.

(http://www.opencarry.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/opencarrymap-January1-2016.png)From: http://www.opencarry.org/maps/map-open-carry-of-a-properly-holstered-loaded-handgun/

The Legal Heat articles distinguishes between “keep arms” (which Supreme Court has ruled as constitutional) from “bear arms” (which SCOTUS has not yet ruled on). “Bear arms” is a state issue which fortunately for us, Delaware has done.  California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York have not.
Section 20. (http://delcode.delaware.gov/constitution/constitution-02.shtml#P95_7849) A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.
"Bear Arms" is currently only protected at the state level, that is true. That is also why those 6 states without a state constitutional RKBA are where the federal Bear Arms cases will arise that will one day, if Trump gets to replace either Kennedy or an anti, be taken by SCOTUS and give us ALL a federal Constitutionally protected right to Bear Arms.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on March 22, 2018, 11:05:28 AM
Still no Reciprocity Bill:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/21/republicans-omnibus-bill-background-check-gun-laws-zero-concealed-carry-reciprocity/


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on April 27, 2018, 07:29:53 AM
The Senate version of the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act  of 2017, S.446, has just got it's 40th co-sponsor signed on.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst




Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Cbmarine on April 27, 2018, 10:13:54 AM
Unfortunately, one gets the feeling that S.446 will need 59 co-sponsors and 1 sponsor to move past Mitch McConnell. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on April 27, 2018, 03:06:58 PM
This is something Trump said he is for and would sign if passed in the House and Senate. So, since Mitch McConnell is a "Never Trumper", It will likely not ever get to  Trump. McConnell is the "Gate Keeper of the Senate, nothing gets in, nothing get out unless he ok's it.
He needs to go, ASAP.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 07, 2018, 10:40:22 AM
Ok, listen up. Republicans have the US house, the US Senate, The Presidency, and now the conservative control of the SCOTUS, right?  So when are we going to get National Concealed Carry Reciprocity? If we get that, screw PA. and the other states. We won't need their permits, we'll save money, and gas running around trying to get other states permits.


Now is when we need to get on the Republicans and especially Mitch McConnell, to bring a Bill to the floor and pass it. Trump has said from the get go he will sign it into law, and now we can be confident that the SCOTUS will back it.

I sent an email to Senator John Cornyn  of Texas. He and Rep Hudson were the originators of the House and Senate bills last year.

Let you know what they say.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: CorBon on October 07, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
I don’t understand a lot of this stuff.  Now is the time to move on it — because there is no later.  If the thought is that things will settle down and they’ll be able to act on it, that’s just crazy.  There will be another shooting, another stabbing, another truck used to drive over someone — anything that can be used as a reason why such a law would be unreasonable and dangerous. 

If not now — then when?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 10, 2018, 07:18:40 AM
As I've said, Mitch McConnell is the gate keeper to the bills that get to the Senate floor. The bill has been voted on and passed by the US House, it has the backing of the NRA, I has already been said by President Donald Trump, that he will sign if passed by the US Senate. McConnell is blocking the bill for some unknown reason. The bill had 213 co-sponsors in the House, including a couple of Democrats.

The Senate version(S 446) in in the Senate Judiciary committee (headed by (R)Chuck Grassley) and has 40 co-sponsors.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/all-actions


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 10, 2018, 12:21:47 PM
My latest research shows that US Senate Bill S.446 will die in the Senate Judiciary Committee, who is under the control of Sen. Grassley. There has ben no action of hearings on it for a year and a half and for all practical purpose it is "dead in the water". I had 40 co-sponsors and if at least 11 others voted for it, it never had a chance of getting passed and signed into law.

As things look now, unless some one else takes up the torch of freedom of concealed carry reciprocity, it just ain't going to happen, maybe ever. What we need to focus on is keeping the rights we already have, because they (the Left)are coming after them hard, and it seems the right doesn't have much guts.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on October 11, 2018, 03:04:40 AM
I think our best hope now is a judicial ruling on carry outside of the home being protected under the 2nd amendment.   Republicans have sure let us down. 


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 11, 2018, 06:35:27 AM
Are you forgetting Delaware is an "Open Carry State" as well as having a concealed carry permit available?


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: Clarence on October 11, 2018, 03:37:02 PM
Are you forgetting Delaware is an "Open Carry State" as well as having a concealed carry permit available?
I was not thinking of Delaware but rather State’s like New Jersey, Hawaii and California that either don’t issue or rarely do.  Also universal recognition of carry licenses just like driver license.

I do not think at this point Delaware’s laws would be questioned unless they try to go back to restrictive may issue for concealed carry.


Title: Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on October 13, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
Delaware is not a "shall issue state". It is a "may issue state" but thank God few people are turned down, and the ones that are would probably not get a permit in and "shall issue state" because of legal or mental problems in their past.