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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: groundgrid on December 15, 2017, 02:31:39 PM

Title: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: groundgrid on December 15, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Took longer than I expected but here it is:

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/14/bump-stock-ban-introduced-delaware-general-assembly/951436001/

IMO, thanks to the current political majority here, making this go away completely will not be possible. However making it more tolerable is a must.
For example, "is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire" is not acceptable terminology as it may be used to ban even the most benign accessory. Even a scope would fit this description.

This would also be a good time to get suppressors removed from the list of destructive weapons.

Time to wake up & make some political noise.

Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 15, 2017, 03:40:49 PM
Even though I am a longtime member of the NRA, a conservative and a CC permit holder, I have to say, I see no good use or need for "bump-stocks" or similar modifications to Semi-automatic guns. It turns them into
machine-guns, and they are already illegal.

As of now I would like to see Delaware HB 300 passed . This may not be a popuar stance with the rest of the forum. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: groundgrid on December 15, 2017, 03:53:12 PM
My goal is to have the appropriate changes made so that adding something like a Giselle trigger doesn't result in a violation of the law.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: muleman88 on December 15, 2017, 11:20:36 PM
Personally I have no use for a bump stop . I do think it would be fun to shoot at the range or out back if you had a place to shoot it . I personally have a hard time agreeing to outlaw something that was used 1x in history for such a horrific crime. If it’s truly about keeping us idiots “safe” from the horrible things that cause us so much danger they should outlaw cars, cigarettes, knives, drugs, icy roads, cell phones, and on and on and on .. these things all cause FAR more deaths than any bump stop ever made . But wait while we have a major problem with drugs in society , our great saviors actually want to make some drugs legal !!! I guess there goes their argument about keeping the masses safer... but then again it’s all about control and $$ .
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Clarence on December 16, 2017, 01:50:08 AM
I have no desire to have one of these things.  To me just a waste of ammo.
But some might like to have these for fun.

Some might think that by banning these things and jailing owners of them even if they do no harm with them that we are "throwing a bone" to the anti gun crowd. This is a dangerous mindset.  They will never be satisfied no wonder what we give them. Give them nothing. Don't let them divide us. 
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: seniorgeek on December 16, 2017, 10:22:50 PM
Rep. Danny Short had some very good comments on this bill.

"These accessories have been around for many years and some people do own them for recreational shooting".
He goes on to say "As it is currently written, this bill, upon its enactment, would instantly make and Delawarean who possesses one of these devices guilty of a class E felony. Additionally, there is no provision in the bill regarding what protocols exiting owners of bump stocks and trigger cranks should follow. Are they to turn them in? Will they be shielded from charges when the do so? Are they to be compensated for the loss of their property? The bill is silent on these issues. I believe the legislation is well-intended, but there need to be some discussion had, and answers given, to the substantial questions it raises" 

I totally agree with his comments plus as has been said any new gun control bill that passes just give more fuel to pass more.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: lynch on December 17, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
 I also give less than a hoot about these devices, and don't mind them being regulated to the shooting range or competitions, but don't see the need to ban them.
As the bill stands, if you get busted for a bump stock, you are a felon and cannot legally own any gun. Bloomberg probably payed (..er, I mean lobbied) for this gun grab legislation.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Obleo on December 17, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
It's a good thing that no one remembers that you don'y even need a special stock to bump fire. Many years ago I was a Primary Marksmanship Instructor (PMI) in the Marines. I also provided instruction on proper grip management to avoid accidentally cycling the weapon. I would even demonstrate how that can happen. So there's that.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
Many guns , both long and handguns suffer problems with 'limp wristing', from double cycling to misfires, jambs etc.  And I may be wrong, but I thought bump stocks only fit certain types of stocks????

Bill
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Tandem on December 18, 2017, 03:03:02 AM
  The primary issue here is that this is NOT "a Bump Stock ban".  It bans any accessory or modification that "is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire".  That could be construed to mean anything up to including 20-30 round magazines, any accessory trigger that reduces trigger pull weight or reset or similar modifications.  I don't think the law even makes reference to "bump stocks" - either generically or by trade name.  This would leave this law open for liberal interpretation.
  "Bump Stocks" are a reckless novelty item and I have little or no use for them.  However, I hold my constitutional rights very dear and am unwilling to give Delaware's often liberal judges a wide playing field to interpret the intent of this law.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: NormH3 on December 18, 2017, 12:11:50 PM
I think she is just posturing. Next year is election year.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: NormH3 on December 18, 2017, 01:03:14 PM
This guy needs to be banned. He fires a semi automatic as if it were an automatic weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP4D6WRJN5g



Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Just Bill on December 18, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
I have no doubt it will pass the one party legislature, even if we barricade them.  And elections here have little meaning, with so many 'gimmees' in NCC.

I do agree that the wording will affect us all, as designed,  if it passes this way.

Bill
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Kilroy08 on December 29, 2017, 01:54:24 PM
Even though I am a longtime member of the NRA, a conservative and a CC permit holder, I have to say, I see no good use or need for "bump-stocks" or similar modifications to Semi-automatic guns. It turns them into
machine-guns, and they are already illegal.

As of now I would like to see Delaware HB 300 passed . This may not be a popuar stance with the rest of the forum. But it is what it is.

Respectfully, that is the wrong attitude to have. Give an inch, pretty soon you'll run out of inches. Ask Neville Chamberlain how well appeasement worked for him.

While I, too, have no interest in bump stocks, it's a free country. You want to buy one and blow through ammo just for the sake of it? Go for it. Who am I to stifle someone's fun as long as it's not a danger to others?
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on December 29, 2017, 07:41:34 PM
It is not an "attitude", it is an opinion.
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Clarence on December 29, 2017, 09:50:00 PM
Even though I am a longtime member of the NRA, a conservative and a CC permit holder, I have to say, I see no good use or need for "bump-stocks" or similar modifications to Semi-automatic guns. It turns them into
machine-guns, and they are already illegal.

As of now I would like to see Delaware HB 300 passed . This may not be a popuar stance with the rest of the forum. But it is what it is.

Respectfully, that is the wrong attitude to have. Give an inch, pretty soon you'll run out of inches. Ask Neville Chamberlain how well appeasement worked for him.

While I, too, have no interest in bump stocks, it's a free country. You want to buy one and blow through ammo just for the sake of it? Go for it. Who am I to stifle someone's fun as long as it's not a danger to others?
Well said.   No more inches. 
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 01, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
I know it's been a while since any comments were made on this subject, but the "bump-stock" ban is back and in effect.

Under HB 300 passed and signed into law last June, it is illegal to possess, own, buy or sell, or transfer a bump-stock or trigger crank in the State of Delaware.  The state is now ready to do a "buy-back" program on bump-stocks and trigger cranks. The buy backs will be held Saturday from 10 AM to 2PM at: DSP Troupe 3 Camden, 3759 S. State St. Dover

                     DSP  Troupe 4, 23652 Shortly Rd. Georgetown

                      DSP Troupe 2, 100 Lagrange Ave., Newark

A second buy back will take place next Wednesday from 4PM to 8PM at same locations.


Owners will receive $100 for bump-stocks and $15.00 for trigger cranks.


When the program ends, anyone caught with such devices are subject to arrest on a class B misdemeanor, with up to 6 months in jail, while a Class E felony can get you up to 5 years jail time.

I guess you understand that would also disqualify you for a DECCW permit forever in Delaware and most states.




Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: Radnor on November 01, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
It's a good thing that no one remembers that you don'y even need a special stock to bump fire. Many years ago I was a Primary Marksmanship Instructor (PMI) in the Marines. I also provided instruction on proper grip management to avoid accidentally cycling the weapon. I would even demonstrate how that can happen. So there's that.

Belt loops??
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: muleman88 on November 01, 2018, 03:37:47 PM
It's a good thing that no one remembers that you don'y even need a special stock to bump fire. Many years ago I was a Primary Marksmanship Instructor (PMI) in the Marines. I also provided instruction on proper grip management to avoid accidentally cycling the weapon. I would even demonstrate how that can happen. So there's that.

Belt loops??
Probably have to cut all of them off soon .....
Title: Re: Bump Stock Ban Introduced
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on November 04, 2018, 11:36:30 PM
Bump stocks only benefit Ammo sales. They can go through a box of ammo in seconds.