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State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Cbmarine on March 01, 2018, 07:04:35 PM
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House Bill 330 (https://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?legislationId=26334)
149th General Assembly (Present)
Bill Progress
Current Status: House Administration 3/1/18
What happens next? Committee Hearing takes place within twelve legislative days.
Bill Details
Introduced on: 3/1/18
Primary Sponsor: Schwartzkopf
Additional Sponsor(s): Sen. McBride, McDowell
Reps. Longhurst, Potter
Co-Sponsor(s): Sen. Hansen, Henry, Marshall, Sokola, Townsend
Reps. Baumbach, Bentz, Bolden, Brady, Heffernan, Jaques, J. Johnson, Kowalko, Lynn, Mitchell, Mulrooney, Paradee, B. Short, Viola
Long Title: AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 11 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Original Synopsis: This bill changes from 18 to 21 the age of a person to whom another person can sell, give, or transfer a firearm or ammunition for a firearm.
Volume Chapter: N/A
Fiscal Note/Fee Impact:
Effective Date: Takes effect upon being signed into law
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slowly step by step 2A rights will be removed until they are eliminated. :(
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Unfortunately there are a lot of gun owners who will buy this swill. They for some reason think that if we throw them a bone ( age to 21, bump stocks, enhanced background checks) that they will be assuaged and our rights will remain mostly intact.
I ask these gun owners: If you give them this, what will you give next time?
I say give nothing! Focus on the evildoer.
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The relentless attack on the 2a will not stop. We CAN NOT afford to keep caving on the issues we believe in and stand for. The people that think another law will stop these killings are clueless. The problem is the clueless runs this state .
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I happen to be old enough to remember when the legal age for everything was 21. Drinking, voting, buying a car. etc. I guess I'm one of the "mush" heads that has no problem with having to be 21 to buy a gun. Look around, and you will see a mass of young people that don't have enough sense to blow their nose, let alone take the responsibility to be responsible with a fire arm. If some body goes in the Military at 18 and goes through firearms training, maybe then. But I'm not buying 18-20 year olds running around with hand guns and semi-auto long guns.
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I happen to be old enough to remember when the legal age for everything was 21. Drinking, voting, buying a car. etc. I guess I'm one of the "mush" heads that has no problem with having to be 21 to buy a gun. Look around, and you will see a mass of young people that don't have enough sense to blow their nose, let alone take the responsibility to be responsible with a fire arm. If some body goes in the Military at 18 and goes through firearms training, maybe then. But I'm not buying 18-20 year olds running around with hand guns and semi-auto long guns.
Sturm: I have removed the "mush head" comment. I certainly would not want you to think that I would describe you as such. I apologize if taken that way. I am a great admirer of your posts.
I do stand by my belief that we should not delude ourselves into thinking that if we give something that they will lay off of us. I believe it will just whet their appetites for more.
A rational discussion of age limits may be in order but not in the current climate.
I do believe that individual dealers do and by rights should be able to size up a customer and deny purchase to whom ever they are not comfortable selling to
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The answer to every single proposal they announce is no.
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The relentless attack on the 2a will not stop. We CAN NOT afford to keep caving on the issues we believe in and stand for. The people that think another law will stop these killings are clueless. The problem is the clueless runs this state .
The most accurate statement made that shows why we have these issues.
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so, it says firearms, a 22 rifle, and airguns are firearms . so, sadly, am I reading this right, that a air gun, now will be 21?
and airgun or 22 ammo. hmm.
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According to NRA ILA Alerts, this bill was scheduled for a House Administration Committee today. However, due to winter Storm Quinn, the grammaticly-challenged scheduling admin posted this:
Session and committee hearings are cancelled for Wednesday, March 7, 2018 do to inclement weather. (https://legis.delaware.gov/Agenda/House)
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so, it says firearms, a 22 rifle, and airguns are firearms . so, sadly, am I reading this right, that a air gun, now will be 21?
and airgun or 22 ammo. hmm.
11 Del C. §222 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title11/c002/index.shtml#222)
(12) "Firearm" includes any weapon from which a shot, projectile or other object may be discharged by force of combustion, explosive, gas and/or mechanical means, whether operable or inoperable, loaded or unloaded. It does not include a BB gun.
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Does Delaware have any age discrimination laws? This might be considered discrimination against the 18, 19, and 20 year old citizens. Court case possible?
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Judging from the list of co-sponsors, 'WE' don't have a chance of stopping it. In fact 'WE' couldn't do it if all the R's were against it. One party system here, remember!!!!
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Does Delaware have any age discrimination laws? This might be considered discrimination against the 18, 19, and 20 year old citizens. Court case possible?
It would have to go to the State Supreme Court as to Constitutionality.
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The current bill is House Substitution 1 for House Bill 330 (https://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail/26368)
Original Synopsis
This bill changes the age of a person to whom another person can sell, give or transfer a firearm or ammunition for a firearm from 18 to 21.
However, this bill permits a person to sell, give or transfer a firearm or ammunition for a firearm to a person under 21 years of age if the person under 21 is an active member of the United States Armed Forces or a law-enforcement officer or possesses a license to carry a concealed deadly weapon.
The prohibition against the sale or transfer of a firearm to a person under 21 does not apply if that person is over 18 and the firearm is a shotgun or muzzle-loading rifle or if the ammunition is for such weapons.
This bill does permit the transfer of a firearm or ammunition to a person under 21 so long as such transfer is without compensation and the person transferring is the parent or guardian of the person under 21 or has the permission of the parent or guardian.
This bill increases the age from 18-21 for the person who must directly supervise a child under the age of 16 who is in possession of a firearm, BB, air, or spear gun.
Current Status: Senate Judicial & Community Affairs 3/20/18
What happens next? Awaiting consideration in Committee
Senate Judicial & Community Affairs (https://legis.delaware.gov/CommitteeDetail?committeeId=482)
149th General Assembly (Present)
Members (5)
Chair: Margaret Rose Henry
Members: Bruce C. Ennis
Robert Marshall
Gregory F. Lavelle
Dave G. Lawson
Primary Sponsor: Schwartzkopf
Additional Sponsor(s): Sen. McBride, McDowell
Reps. Longhurst, Potter
Co-Sponsor(s): Sen. Hansen, Henry, Marshall, Sokola, Townsend
Reps. Baumbach, Bentz, Bolden, Brady, Heffernan, Jaques, J. Johnson, Kowalko, Lynn, Mitchell, Mulrooney, Paradee, B. Short, Viola
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I believe that this bill may be thrown out if it becomes law because it violates both the Constitution of the United states and the Constitution of the State of Delaware. An 18 year old can marry, have children, have a job, vote, sign a contract, serve on a jury, and join the military to defend the United States Constitutional rights of ot's citizens. This law forbids the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms to a narrow class of citizens; those 18 to 20 years of age. This tells the group that you are an adult in every way except for firearm ownership. You are too immature and untrustworthy for that but mature enough for anything else.
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Senate Committee meeting on Wednesday
Senate Judicial & Community Affairs Meeting Notice (https://legis.delaware.gov/MeetingNotice/1724)
Date/Time: 3/28/18 2:00 PM
Location: Senate Majority Caucus Room
411 Legislative Avenue
Dover, DE 19901
HB 103 Matthews AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 11 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO HOME IMPROVEMENT FRAUD
HB 308 Heffernan AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 412, VOLUME 80 OF THE LAWS OF DELAWARE RELATING TO THE JUVENILE OFFENDER CIVIL CITATION PROGRAM.
HB 316 Longhurst AN ACT TO AMEND THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF DELAWARE CITY.
SB 160 Henry AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 9 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO THE NEW CASTLE COUNTY BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW.
HS 1 for HB 330 w/ HA 1 Schwartzkopf AN ACT TO AMEND TITLE 11 OF THE DELAWARE CODE RELATING TO FIREARMS.
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I believe that this bill may be thrown out if it becomes law because it violates both the Constitution of the United states and the Constitution of the State of Delaware. An 18 year old can marry, have children, have a job, vote, sign a contract, serve on a jury, and join the military to defend the United States Constitutional rights of ot's citizens. This law forbids the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms to a narrow class of citizens; those 18 to 20 years of age. This tells the group that you are an adult in every way except for firearm ownership. You are too immature and untrustworthy for that but mature enough for anything else.
This needs to be defeated. Don't count on it being thrown out. Under 21 have been banned from buying handguns but that has never been thrown out. Don't depend on judges
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On the Senate Agenda (http://legis.delaware.gov/Agenda/Senate)for Thursday March 28 after passing in the Judiciary Committee (http://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?legislationId=26368) 2-1 with two of five members not voting.
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House Substitute 1 for House Bill 330
149th General Assembly (Present)
Bill Progress
Current Status:
LOT 3/29/18
What happens next?
Laid on table during consideration; awaits further action
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WBOC reported that the Republicans submitted several amendments that caused the bill to be tabled until after Spring break (mid-April). It will come up again at that time.
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WBOC reported that the Republicans submitted several amendments that caused the bill to be tabled until after Spring break (mid-April). It will come up again at that time.
Five amendments providing exemptions.
Hunting permit holder - laid on table (LOT)
Four others passed with bill (PWB)
- honorably discharged military
- Protection from Abuse Order petitioners
- .22 LR rifles and ammo
- pistol carbines and ammo
The last amendment is interesting in that it allows the purchase of pistol ammo by an under 21 year old which, IIRC, is illegal today.
(https://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?LegislationId=26368)
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WBOC reported that the Republicans submitted several amendments that caused the bill to be tabled until after Spring break (mid-April). It will come up again at that time.
Five amendments (https://legis.delaware.gov/BillDetail?LegislationId=26368) providing exemptions.
Hunting permit holder - laid on table (LOT)
Four others placed with bill (PWB)
- honorably discharged military
- Protection from Abuse Order petitioners
- .22 LR rifles and ammo
- pistol carbines and ammo
The last amendment is interesting in that it would allow the purchase of pistol ammo by an under 21 year old which, IIRC, is illegal today.
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The following was clipped from the Delaware Gun Rights Facebook page:
Chris Merlino to Delaware Gun Rights
2 hrs ·
Hey guys and gals. I wanted to touch base on some of what happened today. Senator Cathy Cloutier, Senator Greg Lavelle and Senator Gary Simpson stood with us today against HB330. An amendment was proposed (by republican Gary Simpson) to amend HB330 which stated that if you have a Delaware Hunter’s Safety Course, the law would not apply to you. This set the Democrats in a tail spin. Once some of the Democratic Senators voiced that they could agree with the amendment, Senator Henry leaped to her feet and tabled the bill.
What does that mean? It means that the Democrats were afraid that HB330 would be amended and sent back to the House.
What happens now? The bill stays tabled until the Democrats feel they have enough votes to pass it without the Hunter Safety amendment. Good luck with that.
Please call and email Senator Cloutier, Senator Lavelle and Senator Simpson and thank them for their support.
Senator Cloutier - catherine.cloutier@state.de.us
(302) 744-4197
Senator Lavelle - Greg.Lavelle@state.de.us
302-744-4135
Senator Simpson - Gary.Simpson@state.de.us
302-744-4134
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More info from the News Journal:
It's interesting that Senator Marshall didn't stick with his usual anti-2A position. Only guessing, but there finally may be enough pressure being applied to knock some sense into these people. We need to keep it up.
Senate Minority Leader Gary Simpson, R-Milford, introduced the proposed allowance for those who pass a hunting course.
"I think there is a good chance the bill will pass with that amendment," he said. "I don't think it has a chance at all without it."
Sen. Robert Marshall, D-Wilmington, said he would support the change, even stating that hunting courses should be required in high schools. That put the Democrat's majority at risk and may have helped to trigger the decision to postpone a vote.
Schwarzkopf said he is opposed to the Simpson's offer.
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HB330, Bill to change age of purchase from 18 to 21 has stalled on the floor, but will be brought back up for a vote on April 17th after Easter break.
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There is still hope
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On the Senate agenda (http://legis.delaware.gov/Agenda/Senate)for the 19th.
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Thanks for the update