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Title: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 19, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
Today from Delaware On Line: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/delaware-senate-refuses-revive-assault-weapons-ban/713255002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/delaware-senate-refuses-revive-assault-weapons-ban/713255002/)

Please make sure you thank your Senator as well as Sen. Brian Bushweller of Dover and Sen. Bruce Ennis, D-Smyrna.  Both Democrats voted against SB 163.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Radnor on June 19, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
I was there.  It's a GREAT day, but the fight is FAR from over.

Thanks to all who were there.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 19, 2018, 09:22:42 PM
I agree.  They may try something else before the end of session.  The last day or two gets interesting.  And they will be back next session.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 19, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
I just received this email from the NRA-ILA:

Delaware: Gun Ban Dies in the Delaware Senate

Today, Senate Bill 163 was defeated for the second time this session when the gun ban legislation failed to garner enough votes to be brought to the floor for consideration.  Senate Bill 163 was one of the most extreme gun control bills introduced this session.

Introduced as Senate Bill 163 and pushed by Governor Carney, this anti-gun legislation sought to ban semi-automatic firearms commonly-owned for self-defense, target shooting and hunting.  Further, SB 163 would have banned the sale, transfer, purchase, or possession of so-called “assault weapons.”

Thank you to NRA Members and Second Amendment supporters who continued to contact their lawmakers in opposition to this legislation.  Also, special thanks to those legislators who supported the Second Amendment rights of Delaware citizens by voting against Senate Bill 163.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: RetCapt1994 on June 19, 2018, 09:53:23 PM
Thank you emails sent to Sen.Ennis and Sen.Bushweller. I want to thank everyone who helped defeat this bill.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Clarence on June 20, 2018, 12:35:03 AM
I agree.  They may try something else before the end of session.  The last day or two gets interesting.  And they will be back next session.

Right you are!   Watch for the magazine ban and the denial of gun rights for under 21. 
They will never give up. We need to stay together and give nothing up.

Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: seniorgeek on June 20, 2018, 01:07:19 AM
Townsend added 2 amendments to SB163 after it failed to be brought up again before the end of the session!!
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Paladin4CA on June 20, 2018, 02:56:20 AM
Congrats from the Left coast....  ;)
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 20, 2018, 03:07:44 AM
Townsend added 2 amendments to SB163 after it failed to be brought up again before the end of the session!!

These amendments were added after the no vote today?  I'm having problems getting on the legislature website right now.  What were the amendments?


Never mind.  I was able t get through and view the amendments.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Clarence on June 20, 2018, 10:15:33 AM
Townsend added 2 amendments to SB163 after it failed to be brought up again before the end of the session!!

These amendments were added after the no vote today?  I'm having problems getting on the legislature website right now.  What were the amendments?


Never mind.  I was able t get through and view the amendments.
Can you send the link?
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 20, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Here is the webpage for the Delaware legislature.  Here you can find a bill, check Senate and House schedules and committees.  Just enter the bill number (SB 163) in the "Find a Bill" section.  This brings up the description of the bill and any amendments that have been attached (PDF files that yu can open.

http://legis.delaware.gov/ (http://legis.delaware.gov/)
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: JonathanG on June 20, 2018, 02:34:26 PM
The amendments are time stamped before the motion to suspend rules vote was taken. In the broader view, the amendments don’t matter because the bill died in committee. Amendments to the bill can’t be made, because the bill never made it to the floor in the first place. Yesterday’s circus was an attempt to suspend the rules of order and force the bill to the floor. Townsend and his commie cohorts simply had the amendments prepared in the event they managed to get the bill onto the Senate floor for debate.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Cbmarine on June 20, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Digging around on the legis web site, I still haven't found any record that SB 163 failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary committee or the suspension of the rules vote. Seems that the powers-that-be (read Dems) don't want that to be a matter of record. 
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Clarence on June 20, 2018, 08:31:31 PM
Digging around on the legis web site, I still haven't found any record that SB 163 failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary committee or the suspension of the rules vote. Seems that the powers-that-be (read Dems) don't want that to be a matter of record.  
Good point CB.  There are 21 senators but reports are that the vote was 10-9 against.  Who are the missing two senators?

I had to dig around news sites to see that Gerald Hocker (R) missed the vote and Catherine Cloutier Cathe (R) was sick with pneumonia. 
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: SturmRugerSR9 on June 20, 2018, 10:18:05 PM
2 Democrats and all Republicans voted SB 163 down. The 2 Dems were Bushweller and Ennis.

(sorry for the brainfart)
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 20, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
Correction:  The two Democrats were Brian Bushweller and Bruce Ennis.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: seniorgeek on June 21, 2018, 01:51:12 AM
Digging around on the legis web site, I still haven't found any record that SB 163 failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary committee or the suspension of the rules vote. Seems that the powers-that-be (read Dems) don't want that to be a matter of record.  
Good point CB.  There are 21 senators but reports are that the vote was 10-9 against.  Who are the missing two senators?

I had to dig around news sites to see that Gerald Hocker (R) missed the vote and Catherine Cloutier Cathe (R) was sick with pneumonia.  

The following I received from Mr. Hocker's aide Matt Revel.

"Without knowing how 10 of the 20 total Senators present were going to vote, Senator Hocker decided to be "absent" for the vote, thus preventing a potential tie-breaking "yes" vote  by the Lieutenant Governor. 11 yes votes are needed to suspend normal Senate rules"

    
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Clarence on June 21, 2018, 02:55:00 AM
Digging around on the legis web site, I still haven't found any record that SB 163 failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary committee or the suspension of the rules vote. Seems that the powers-that-be (read Dems) don't want that to be a matter of record.  
Good point CB.  There are 21 senators but reports are that the vote was 10-9 against.  Who are the missing two senators?

I had to dig around news sites to see that Gerald Hocker (R) missed the vote and Catherine Cloutier  (R) was sick with pneumonia.  

The following I received from Mr. Hocker's aide Matt Revel.

"Without knowing how 10 of the 20 total Senators present were going to vote, Senator Hocker decided to be "absent" for the vote, thus preventing a potential tie-breaking "yes" vote  by the Lieutenant Governor. 11 yes votes are needed to suspend normal Senate rules"

    
Thanks.  That is good information.  Kudos to Senator Hocker
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 21, 2018, 02:59:43 AM
Good move.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: Clarence on June 21, 2018, 03:21:33 AM
Another real hero in this is Senator Lavelle.  He has perhaps risked the most here. His district is full of “limousine liberals” who  care not a rats posterior about gun rights. He is being challenged by a well financed rabid anti gun, anti liberty opponent.  We need to support him in any way we can.
Title: Re: SB 163 DIES in Senate
Post by: MarkB on June 21, 2018, 01:37:48 PM
I received this email from the DSSA.  I've bolded an important sentence at the end of the email.


 SECOND AMENDMENT ACTION ALERT NETWORK
 
(Just as a reminder, you are receiving this Alert because you have asked to be informed)
 
The Delaware State Sportsmen's Association (DSSA) thanks all those involved in the fight that culminated in the defeat--for the second time in two weeks--of Senate Bill 163, the Carney/Townsend Gun Ban. Without the help of the DSSA membership, families, and friends, our efforts could have turned out vastly different. 
 
This was the fourth gun ban attempt in the last 20 years by the Democrats, but this was by far the worst bill that was considered. The effort to oppose this horrible legislation involved thousands of freedom-loving Delaware citizens from various groups, including Delaware Gun Rights, 9-12 Patriots, Faith and Freedom Coalition, and the Delaware Concealed Carry folks, to name but a few.
 
It was obvious from the beginning that we were in for a battle to protect our Constitutional rights under both the Delaware Constitution, Article I, Section 20 and the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights. Recognizing this attempt at stripping away our rights, we teamed up and turned out for townhall rallies and trips to Legislative Hall to meet with individual representative and senators. No other issue has generated so much activity and conversation in the halls of the General Assembly. No other issue has produced crowds of like-minded visitors to the Hall. More than 800 Delawareans concerned with preserving our freedoms showed up in Dover back in April after the introduction of the bill, and more than 300 showed up for both the committee hearing and yesterday's attempt to suspend the Senate rules. Combined with grass-roots efforts to contact legislators via mail, email, phone, voicemail, text, and social media, our joint efforts to oppose this misguided legislation have been noticed nationwide.
 
Despite the fake news, biased polls, ego-driven posturing, and misinterpreted and misrepresented data from anti-gun proponents, the truth-and American freedom-won. What's more, despite a first-of-its-kind attempt to force a bill out of committee after it had been voted down in the committee, freedom and truth still prevailed
.
However, the fight is not over. 
 
Although we know that legislators received far more feedback from those in opposition of the Carney/Townsend gun ban than they did from those in support of the bill, we've seen how the politicians are trying to spin poll results so they discount the opinions of constituents outside of their party. Also, we know that anti-gun and anti-freedom sentiment is rampant. As one lady from the other side stated, they will be back in January, and as Sen. Townsend stated, this bill will return.
 
Well, we will also be back in January. Not only that, we will be there in November and every other month of the year to make sure that the voices of freedom never die and that representatives and senators are elected that uphold the Constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.
 
There are still 6 legislative days remaining the current session. You can believe that we will remain vigilant.
 
Thanks again.