Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => Delaware News => Topic started by: Clarence on June 01, 2022, 11:49:15 AM
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They are back with a vengeance. See the bill filed yesterday;
https://files.constantcontact.com/b7141e40301/23b0963d-61a4-4b1e-a694-97cd2ad5abee.pdf
This will ban hundreds of popular firearms and make criminals of 10s of thousands of law abiding Delawareans.
Now is the time to contact your Senators and Representatives to stop this.
See below from DSSA
ACTION
ALERT
HOUSE AND SENATE DEMOCRATS DECLARE WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION
YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
AND
YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE
are in jeopardy!!!
On May 31, 2022, with only 12 legislative days left in the 151st Delaware General Assembly House and Senate Democrats signaled their cynical intent to capitalize on the tragic deaths of the innocent children and teachers of Uvalde, Texas at the hands of a madman. They intend to declare war on the Constitution and your God-given right to keep and bear arms.
But that comes as no surprise – their leader, and political mentor, Joe Biden, has made it very clear that he intends to ban America’s sporting and self defense rifles with the truth be damned. Not satisfied with that threat, now he wants to ban 9 mm pistols as well.
Your DSSA obtained a draft-copy of yet another Gun Ban Bill, one that would target law-abiding owners of otherwise legal firearms, including America’s Rifle, the AR-15 owned by over 40 million legal gun owners.
– Yep! You guessed it – another semi-auto ban!
A copy of that draft bill may be found here.
Armed with a copy of the draft bill, your DSSA is placing the sponsors on notice that if that bill passes and becomes law DSSA WILL defend your rights in the courts – but those early sponsors simply do not care.
They care not for your rights, they care not for your safety, and they care not for the truth. To justify their declaration of war upon you and your guns, those sponsors resort to half-truths, false and misleading data, and downright lies.
Read it for yourself – read the various WHEREAS Clauses and you will see just how intellectually dishonest these people are and how little they care for the truth.
This bill bans the possession, importation and sale of a long list of 63 specifically named rifles, shotguns and pistols, plus hundreds of others. You can keep what you have but what you have becomes valueless because you cannot sell what you have – all that hard-earned money you invested in a collection that could be sold to finance college for your grandchildren and healthcare for yourself and spouse will be destroyed, if this bill becomes law.
This bill clearly violates the Second, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments plus the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution as well as numerous sections of Delaware’s Bill of Rights – they know that, but they don’t care. All they care about is power – raw power.
After all, there has been a terrible tragedy, and they can’t let it go to waste – they are trying to capitalize on the tragedy for political expediency by proposing knee-jerk legislation that would not have prevented this tragedy. Again, they are over reacting and saying they have to do something.
But why can't they deal with the real issues such as identified in the CDC report done for the city of Wilmington in 2015, which delineated issues such as mental health, family issues, social media and economic disparity. No where in the report was there a call for more "gun control".
There are 2 bills pending in the House that address school safety and hardening those places where our children go to school. Why aren't those bills being moved forward? Probably because they are sponsored by Republicans. What hypocrisy!!!
How cold – how crass – how cynical - how politically sickening.
So, just who are these political opportunists who are planning WAR against you, your rights, your families and your guns - and our Constitution? Here’s the list – you may rest assured there will be more – unless you act today to stop it:
Representatives Valerie Longhurst, House Majority Leader; Speaker of the House Pete Schwartzkopf; House Majority Whip Larry Mitchell; Stephanie Bolden, Sean Lynn, Dave Bentz, Namdi Chukwocha, Bud Freel, Debra Heffernan, Kendra Johnson, John Kowalko, Melissa Minor-Brown, Sherae'a Moore, and Senators Nicole Poore, Kyle Evans sexually challenged, Senate Majority Whip S. Elizabeth Lockman, Sara McBride, and Marie Pinkney.
Click here to get contact information for Delaware Legislators
CALL TO ACTION
1. Each of these constitutional assassins needs to hear from you – today.
Tell them that you know what they are doing. Tell them that their cynical undeserved use of the Uvalde children as props in their torrid political power play is a despicable act of opportunism.
Tell them they should be ashamed to attack our constitution on the very weekend we honor those who gave their lives in defense of that Constitution.
Tell them you recognize the lie this bill represents – the lie that by infringing upon your rights they will somehow make you more safe – that simply is not true. Look at California which has some of strictest gun laws in the nation, yet has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation – and they know it. Tell them anyway.
2. Call your friends, neighbors, associates at work, people from church, and tell them what this band of political pirates is up to – and have them contact their Senator and Representative and tell them that this time their planned war on our rights cannot, and will not, be allowed to succeed.
YOUR HELP IS NEEDED – NOW!
Never in the past have we used a legislative Action Alert to raise funds – but this time is different. The threat is real. This bill could pass. And if it does pass, DSSA must go to court to stop this bill if it passes. WE NEED YOUR HELP.
We have already retained legal counsel. We are preparing – we will defend your rights. But you need to help too.
Please contribute to DSSA’s Civil Rights Defense Fund. Every cent you contribute will go to pay legal fees, in either this suit, or in the next – and we all know there will be more.
Freedom is not free – do your part.
Click here to donate – please, do it today
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DSSA is funded through memberships and donations. Lawsuits are expensive. The only way DSSA can continue to protect your constitutional rights is with your help. Join or donate today.
JOIN HERE!
DONATE HERE!
______________________________________________________________________________
Thank you for supporting DSSA and thank you for supporting Firearm Freedom here in the First State.
YOUR VOICE IS IMPORTANT - LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
Delaware State Sportsmen's Association
National Rifle Association
Institute for Legislative Action
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My Senators and Reps are already on board, but can still let them know I appreciate it.
Simon
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Our fearless law makers still have 30 days to jam bills down our throats. Deluge them with calls, emails, etc.
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I was just ready to post this. It's coming...
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Good morning Mr. Mitchell & Mr. Mantzavinos,
Hope this find both of you well.
I WOULD LIKE A REPLY PLEASE
I am AGAINST the proposed AWB. If someone is committed to do harm to others, they will with or without a gun.
I would like YOU to explain to me WHY Delaware is NOT reporting all information to the NICS system. The NICS system is the BACKGROUND check system to see if a person can receive a firearm. Please see the attached PDF.
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY.
Sincerely,
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The DSSA has shared new anti-gun legislation on its Facebook page. Here is a link: https://www.facebook.com/DESportsmansAssociation/posts/5353398714724362
Please read the bill and, more importantly, call your legislators and let them know you do not support this. Do it even if you think your senator/rep will/will not support the bill. It is extremely important to make your voice heard.
If you do not know your legislators, here is a link to find them: https://legis.delaware.gov/FindMyLegislator
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I just posted something about this in the CCW part. I should have looked first, sorry.
Yes, it is extremely important to call your legislators no matter who they are. Make your voice heard. Trust me, it is important. They may not always agree with one person, but even small influences add up over time.
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Just wrote to my legislators, feel free to copy and paste or make adjustments as you see fit:
Good Afternoon,
I am writing as one of your constituents to let you know that I am vehemently against the proposed "Act to Amend the Delaware Code Relating to Deadly Weapons".
This will instantly turn myself, along with thousands of other innocent Delawareans into felons. It is absurd to think that criminals will be lining up to turn in their weapons. The only people that would be disarmed by this legislation are law abiding citizens. I'm so tired of watching gunmen target places that they know people aren't allowed to be armed. Please don't make Delaware another target for these individuals.
The 2 almost exclusive causes of all mass shootings are mental illness and poor socioeconomic situations. I implore you to help us get past these attempts at do-nothing pieces of legislation and start to close the cracks that these individuals so easily fall through by expanding mental health care, giving the educational system the tools they need to identify these individuals earlier, and to help those suffering in poverty.
I appreciate your time, and would be happy to assist in any way possible to make sure that gun violence ends by passing meaningful legislation that would not only end gun violence, but would help everyone in their pursuit of happiness.
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Just as a follow up, my representative, William Bush (D), just called me back and left a message saying:
Hey Frank, this is a representative Bush calling. I got your email today I just want to reach out to you let you know I do not support that bill I saw circulating, so you can rest assured on that, but feel free to give me a call if you want to go to 302-670-2949 hope you're doing well and have a great day. See you later.
He also followed up with an email saying:
Thank you for your email. I do not intend to support the current legislation that is being circulating that bans certain long guns. If you would like to contact me my cell is 302 670-2949.
Respectfully,
Representative Bill Bush
Hopefully more democrats follow his lead. I'm thoroughly impressed with his response.
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The problem as I see it is that the ones that are most against guns are the ones that know the least about guns. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle. The main difference between it and most other semi-automatic rifles is cosmetic. To them it looks scary.
AR-15's can be bought in different calibers using the same ammo as used in hunting. For example, a hunting rifle using .223 ammo is virtually the same as an AR-15 using .223 ammo. It still fires once for each time you pull the trigger. The main difference is the looks. The hunting rifle looks normal, while the AR-15 is scary to wimpy left wingers. I recommend they educate themselves as to what they are whining about. OR, they can just remain ignorant the rest of their life.
Obviously, the shooters at these schools and churches have the type of weapon use in common. But, the main thing they all had in common was that they were mentally and emotionally ill.
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If you read the bill, they think the solution is to raise the age to 21.
Which makes no sense, of course because a demented or depressed and suicidal person is going to use what ever weapon he can get his hands on.
The most recent hospital shooter was 35-40 yrs. old.
Shouldn't they now raise the age to 45?
They started to profile the typical shooter age 18-21, and they should finish it. They would then reach a sensible conclusion, with more than one solution.
But they cannot finish the profile. It would show the lunacy of liberalism, how the welfare state encourages broken homes, why socialism don't work, the idiotic sexually challenged agenda, on and on and on..................so blame the inanimate object as the cause.
Simon
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They (politician) continuer to pay attention to the tool, not the perpetrator. That will never solve the problem.
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Well, Biden made his speech tonight, or at least worded the words the puppet masters put into his mouth. What a BOZO! Not one thing he proposed would have made any difference in any of the school shootings we had lately. It's all about disarming Americans like the Nazi's did the Jews, and we all know how that turned out, DON"T WE?
His speech consisted of lie after lie. Same old shlt.
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″Any and all laws that are in conflict with the Constitution are invalid and of no force or effect.″
(The case of Marbury v. Madison was heard in 1803)
Every legislation that is in accordance with the Constitution will have been enacted in order to carry out the powers that were provided by the Constitution.
The Bill is repugnant, and therefor unlawful. The supporters of the Bill are in violation of their oath to uphold the constitution.
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It may be unconstitutional, but it will take years to work through the courts.
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It may be unconstitutional, but it will take years to work through the courts.
They don't have years before their next un-election. EMAIL SENT.
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Schools both public and private should offer to jr. high school students an NRA course in firearm history and gun safety.
Isn't education the proper way to solve a problem?
Of course, this would include physical handling and target practice, and maybe competition.
Now, if that were mandated, the libs would try to inject their falsehoods and misinformation into it, but not if the NRA was involved.
We need a House Bill introduced.
-Simon
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My rep sounds like he's on board regardless:
"Thank you very much for your quick response. These days, anyone can claim to be a constituent, whether they live in our district, or our state, or our country.
Thank you also for sharing your concerns over the multiple pieces of legislation designed to reduce gun violence.
Thank you further for your years of service in our armed services, defending the Constitution, with its delineated rights for both individuals and for our government, including the government's right and responsibility to enact legislation our elected officials deem beneficial to our society. I and my colleagues take this responsibility very seriously, and we appreciate and value input from our constituents.
Again, thank you for reaching out."
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As I've said before, I see no need for and AR-15. Most semi-automatic hunting rifles will do the same job. I think it is just a thing that guys want to live a fantasy of looking "Macho" and "Tactical". Most hunting rifles are available with larger magazines from some sources.
Just my opinion, and I see opinions are still Constitutional.......
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Storm, I thought the same way for awhile, but the libs were so against it and the 30 round magazine I bought one for spite. If they say I shouldn't have one, I want one!!!
It is one sweet thing to shoot! No recoil to speak of, almost no muzzle jump and small fast bullet.
You can take it apart with no trouble or tools. Its fun to clean. Ammo is cheap (relativity).
Parts are interchangeable, with many optical options.
Easy to carry, I opted for an adjustable sling
You gotta try one!
-Simon
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Who is going to Dover?
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As I've said before, I see no need for and AR-15. Most semi-automatic hunting rifles will do the same job. I think it is just a thing that guys want to live a fantasy of looking "Macho" and "Tactical". Most hunting rifles are available with larger magazines from some sources.
Just my opinion, and I see opinions are still Constitutional.......
Sooner or later, somebody will see no need for a semi-automatic hunting rifle...
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As I've said before, I see no need for and AR-15. Most semi-automatic hunting rifles will do the same job. I think it is just a thing that guys want to live a fantasy of looking "Macho" and "Tactical". Most hunting rifles are available with larger magazines from some sources.
Just my opinion, and I see opinions are still Constitutional.......
Sooner or later, somebody will see no need for a semi-automatic hunting rifle...
Sounds like you're saying chip away at it inch by inch..... Sounds like someone else is too blind to see that.
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Who is going to Dover?
When? I didn’t see anything. I’ll go.
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Top of EVERY page. I'm going to see what I can do as far as getting off to go.
It will look something like this (or larger hopefully)
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As I've said before, I see no need for and AR-15. Most semi-automatic hunting rifles will do the same job. I think it is just a thing that guys want to live a fantasy of looking "Macho" and "Tactical". Most hunting rifles are available with larger magazines from some sources.
Just my opinion, and I see opinions are still Constitutional.......
Sooner or later, somebody will see no need for a semi-automatic hunting rifle...
Sounds like you're saying chip away at it inch by inch..... Sounds like someone else is too blind to see that.
They specifically ban the M1A - a wooden stock traditional rifle. Pretty clear that banning any firearm is not going to make soft targets safer. They know that, so safety is not their objective. I may not need an AR rifle or AK rifle, but right now I have the right to own one so i don't have to demonstrate a need.
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Put me down as a definite maybe. Nothing planned for Wednesday at this point.
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I’ll be there.
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I'm trying for Wednesday. Must put in for the day.
Other job was easier to get off.
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Do we get out the NRA shirts, or go incognito??
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It’s being reported that in addition to the AWB, Mag ban, age limit and background check that a bill will be introduced to “ ban the use of devices that could make handguns fully automatic”.
What the heck is that? I thought machine guns were already banned in Delaware.
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As I've said before, I see no need for and AR-15. Most semi-automatic hunting rifles will do the same job. I think it is just a thing that guys want to live a fantasy of looking "Macho" and "Tactical". Most hunting rifles are available with larger magazines from some sources.
Just my opinion, and I see opinions are still Constitutional.......
What does “need” have to do with it? I don’t hunt so I don’t “need” a hunting rifle.
I remember when I was about 18 (50+ years ago) and had an M1 Carbine with a retractable stock and a 30 round “banana” magazine. I was at a range and a couple of old “Fudds” looked at it and said “Why do you NEED that”.
Fast forward to 2022 and I see some young guys at the range with AR type guns all tricked out with rails and decals and stuff. I thought to myself “why do they NEED that?”. And then I realized. I don’t want to be that Fudd. We have to stand together.
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a recent poll suggests that the public believes a guy that has trouble stringing words together in a sentence, over logic. MING BOGGLING!!!
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Protest do little to change politicians minds. It only makes the protesters feel good for a little while, and the politicians do what they intended all along. Your only hope is to vote them out of office, and convince others to do the same.
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WRONG. We did stop Bills before.
Remember one time 40 were for the bill, 400 against and it made them look at the bill.
But if that works for you, others can do the lifting for you. Just remember to thank them.
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Believe you me if these politicians don’t see any opposition they will ram anything through. It’s only because they see the intensity of the opposition that they sometimes will think twice.
Let’s have a big turnout on Wednesday!!!
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I wish you all success on Wednesday. I would like to go, but my work schedule just won't allow me. I will be praying for you all!
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SS1 for SB6 PASSED.
https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GetPdfDocument?fileAttachmentId=561830 (https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GetPdfDocument?fileAttachmentId=561830)
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HB450 & 451 voted out of committee today.
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It looks like the marching orders have been issued, and are being followed.
Litigation will be the only resolution. The only question I have is how long
the appeal process will take.
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Well for all those who sat back and smugly said “my gun is not on the list”. Guess what? Your guns are banned too.
See the amendment that they stuck in at the last minute:
https://files.constantcontact.com/b7141e40301/1b692bcf-9ebd-4dfe-8eca-30770d1363dd.pdf
All semi auto rifles that have a detachable magazine are now to be banned.
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Not sure, but I think my Garand is exempt?? Guaranteed it is a weapon of war!!! Longer than 30" overall, holds 8 rounds, non-detachable. But not much else that I own. Not sure what a pistol grip is??? I see the Supreme Court in our future. Something about "...shall not be infringed."
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See this from DSSA. I don’t know why we are surprised when they use underhanded tactics. They are liars through and through
ACTION
ALERT
“BAN THEM ALL!”
HB 450
In one of the most underhanded moves ever seen in a House known for its double-dealing, House Majority Leader Valerie Longhurst pulled a fast one that rivals any in the history of Delaware Legislative politics.
Longhurst is the Prime Sponsor of HB 450, the Semi-Auto Ban.
She also chaired Wednesday’s “hearing” of the House Administration Committee that made a mockery of the legislative, free speech process when she limited witnesses wanting to testify against the Ban to one minute and the entire hearing to 90 minutes. Even with public comment 5 to 1 against the bill, the Democratic members, following her iron-fisted command, voted to send HB 450 to the floor of House where the skids had been greased for it to be heard on an expedited basis the very next day.
Speaker Pete Schwarzkopf and Majority Whip Larry Mitchell, two retired cops, aided and abetted Longhurst’s sordid plan.
Now for the slight of hand political shenanigans. At 11:28 am on the same day the Bill was to be heard at 2:00 pm, Majority Leader Longhurst released House Amendment 1 to HB 450 for the public to see for the very first time, surprising even her own far-left allies.
House Bill 450 can be read here. House Amendment 1 to House Bill 450 can be read here.
House Amendment 1 to House Bill 450 dramatically changed the definitions pertaining to rifles and shotguns and pistols that she would see banned in Delaware.
Longhurst’s last-minute, secret amendment effectively bans all semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines - all of them – all of them!
Don’t believe it? Read Lines 2-6 of the Amendment.
It also bans a whole new group of shotguns and a whole new group of pistols, and will effectively put many, if not all, Delaware Firearms Dealers out of business.
HOUSE BILL 450, WITH HOUSE AMENDMENT 1 ATTACHED, PASSED THE HOUSE ON A VOTE OF 22-19, AND IS NOW ON ITS WAY TO THE SENATE.
CALL TO ACTION
With the Amendment attached, House Bill 450 is now the most far-reaching gun ban bill anywhere in the country, and it is now in the Delaware Senate ready for action as early as Tuesday, June 14, 2022 – ironically Flag Day.
MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD
Call your State Senator and tell him or her to vote “NO” on House Bill 450.
Write, text, email, facebook, tweet, talk to them in person and tell them that you know what Majority Leader Longhurst did and tell them to punish Longhurst for her evil acts by voting “NO” on House Bill 450.
NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT – NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD IN THE DELAWARE SENATE.
Remind your Senators of the oaths they took and the Constitution that protects your right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes.
Tell them that you can forgive many things in a politician, but you can never forgive – or forget – a politician who ignores their oath of office and disrespects the rights of law-abiding citizens like you.
Remind them that they don’t work for Joe Biden, or John Carney, or Majority Leader Longhurst, or President Pro Tempore Dave Sokola, or the DNC – remind them they work for you and the other law-abiding citizens of the State of Delaware.
Tell them to do their job and VOTE “NO” on HB 450.
And tell them that you will support DSSA when it goes to court to challenge this blatantly unconstitutional and tyrannical attempt to disarm law-abiding Delawareans.
CONTACT INFORMATION FOR YOUR STATE SENATOR MAY BE FOUND HERE
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YOUR HELP IS NEEDED – NOW!
Never in the past have we used a legislative Action Alert to raise funds – but this time is different. The threat is real. This bill could pass. And if it does pass, DSSA must go to court to stop this bill if it passes. WE NEED YOUR HELP.
We have already retained legal counsel. We are preparing – we will defend your rights. But you need to help too.
Please contribute to DSSA’s Civil Rights Defense Fund. Every cent you contribute will go to pay legal fees, in either this suit, or in the next – and we all know there will be more.
Freedom is not free – do your part.
Click here to donate – please, do it today
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DSSA is funded through memberships and donations. Lawsuits are expensive. The only way DSSA can continue to protect your constitutional rights is with your help. Join or donate today.
JOIN HERE!
DONATE HERE!
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Thank you for supporting DSSA and thank you for supporting Firearm Freedom here in the First State.
YOUR VOICE IS IMPORTANT - LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
Delaware State Sportsmen's Association
National Rifle Association
Institute for Legislative Action
DELAWARE STATE SPORTSMEN'S ASSOCIATION
P.O. BOX 94, LINCOLN, DE 19960 - http://dssa.us
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For the Fudds who cannot find the Bill, lines 2-6.....
2 “a. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has at least 1 of the following:
3 1. A folding or telescoping stock.
4 2. Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which
5 would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger
6 finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing.
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Here is where the Bills stand.
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I sent letters to both parties. All repubs say nonsupport. No reply from any dem... surprise.
Am I wrong or does that last description cover all firearms???? If you can hold onto it , it is banned!!!
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If it's a semi and your fingers are under the action, YES.
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All I can say is, if anyone here does not own an aforementioned firearm, go out and buy one!! Or, two!
We will not let these socialists ruin our 2nd Amendment.
Simon
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
From what I'm reading that's optional. All you have to prove is that you owned the firearm before the ban went into effect. So if you have receipts or something you're good.
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I wrote this letter today to Senator Brown:
Good morning Senator Brown,
I'm writing today because I received an email over the weekend about some new gun laws that are being voted on that would restrict the rights of Delaware citizens to own certain firearms. I'd like to express my disapproval for these proposed laws and assert my opinion that we as democrats should not be running on an anti gun platform but instead focus on reducing gun violence by fighting poverty and providing more educational and economic opportunities for families and youth in Wilmington.
Gun ownership has been going up since the pandemic and I feel that we would be alienating those democrats like me who are exercising their rights to protect their families.
As the father of a 7 year old I care deeply about the safety of our children and their security while they are at school. In fact, the day of the Uvalde shooting, before we had even heard about it, I messaged the principal to express my concerns about the security of students at xxxxxxxx. It's way too easy to access the school and get into the classrooms with a gun, not to mention children are exposed during recess and when waiting to be picked up at the end of the day. An assault weapons ban would not prevent someone from entering the school with a concealed weapon or opening fire with a handgun on kids playing outside. Instead of an unenforceable ban, I urge you to put metal detectors in schools and allocate more money toward resource officers for our schools. Our district only has six resource officers and they have to be shared between schools so on some days there is zero protection for our kids. I nearly pulled my son out on the spot when the school principal told me this.
Hopefully we can devote this summer toward making schools safer for the next year. I have more ideas I'd like to share about school safety but those are outside scope of this email. I'd be happy to discuss it with you further when you have the time.
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I wrote this letter today to Senator Brown: .....
Sprue,
Ready for his reply?? F.U. is what it will be.
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
Seth,
I know a gun owner who is a notary (I am one too). I was going to write up something like....
Presented to me on xxx by Radnor residing at .... the following firearms.
MAKE MODEL S/N
Then have notary sign & date it.
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
From what I'm reading that's optional. All you have to prove is that you owned the firearm before the ban went into effect. So if you have receipts or something you're good.
When I read the grandfather clause I was relieved at first since I have receipts as well. Mine are on my shared drive since the receipt paper and ink lasts like 1 year. But then I read the §'s and saw you had a year from the 60 days after enactment to get another proof of purchase
Then I thought about presenting my photo of my receipt to whoever and them saying they want a hard copy or original of said receipt. It's a may issue state for ccw but would it also be a may issue certificate for the grandfather clause?
And the magazine ban has no grandfather clause, even though I think the original purchase of their list of illegal weapons came with a couple 30rd mags
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WOW!!! We are hurtling to Cal./Australia/Britian at breakneck speed. And it looks like we can't even slow it down. So sad.
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"(3) “Assault weapon” means any of the following:
a. An assault long gun.
b. An assault pistol.
c. A copycat weapon."
Assault pistol.. Are they referring to AR pistol?
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Yes. Any semi auto pistol that has a removable magazine not in the grip of the weapon. Banned
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Yes. Any semi auto pistol that has a removable magazine not in the grip of the weapon. Banned
Thank you for the clarification
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So a 120 year old C96 that accepts mags would be banned. It's a WWI relic!
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
Seth,
I know a gun owner who is a notary (I am one too). I was going to write up something like....
Presented to me on xxx by Radnor residing at .... the following firearms.
MAKE MODEL S/N
Then have notary sign & date it.
That is a great idea! I will look into doing that as well and suggest it to my buddies.
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I did not see anything in there about antiques. But it is a weapon of war!!!
As an FFL holder I had to listen to the new ATF/Justice rules for identifying a firearm parts. My brain went numb after they said , good morning. That new regulation will make your head spin. BAD NEWS!!! Everything has to have a serial number. I get a firearm are in with no number, I have to get it one. It consists of parts of my FFL # and a number.
Bill
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Any thoughts on if/ when this passes and the grandfather clause, but having to apply through health department blah blah for the certificate? It says that record of application is not kept but it stinks of registration
I have similar concerns regarding the certificate. Seems like a silly piece of paper if you are the only one who has a copy of it... Don't get me wrong I don't want them to know what I have; I am just noticing more holes in their "plan."
Seth,
I know a gun owner who is a notary (I am one too). I was going to write up something like....
Presented to me on xxx by Radnor residing at .... the following firearms.
MAKE MODEL S/N
Then have notary sign & date it.
That is a great idea! I will look into doing that as well and suggest it to my buddies.
If you want, we can set a time up and meet you (them) at DSPC. Will gladly take care of it.
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Not sure. I believe the C96 (Broomhsndle) is a fixed mag. I had one years ago and used to load it with a stripper clip from the top.
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Not sure. I believe the C96 (Broomhsndle) is a fixed mag. I had one years ago and used to load it with a stripper clip from the top.
oh ok I was thinking of the M712 version. It had a detachable 10 and 20 round magazine but it was select fire.
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`Thanks for the suggestion. I now have a notarized copy of a list of all my firearms. I had a list on my computer so I just copied that list into the form. I used the following statement:
Presented to me on June 16, 2022 by Mark S.Beam residing at "address" proof of possession of the following firearms on June 15, 2022.
The list had type of firearm (pistol, rifle, shotgun), Make, Model and serial number. I took photos of the serial numbers for the notary to see and confirm to the list. The photos had the date taken (6/15/22) printed on the photo This was what the notary needed to sign off on the list.
I have three notarized copies and the notarized list is saved on my computer.
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Who was your notary? Which county? Are the photos necessary?
I think the orders from the AG office will be to arrest anyone found in possession without the state issued certificate. We will need something if you satisfy a jury for “reasonable doubt”. The notarized list should do the trick. Probably first one to get pinched will be some poor guy who decides to go to the state range at Ommelanden.
Legal transport is real tricky and of course anyone who takes it out of state to a range ( Avondale or North East ) will not be able to bring it back into Delaware as the law very cleverly forbids importation into the state.
Another issue is the transfer to a family member or via inheritance looks like you will need the certificate.
They have thought this out well. The target in this is lawful gun owners plain and simple. As Senator Dave Lawson has said they hate you and all you stand for.
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Who was your notary? Which county? Are the photos necessary?
I'm a notary and in NCC. I'll offer the service.
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(a) A person who is exempt from § 1466(a) of this title under § 1466(c)(3) of this title may, no later than 1 year
from the [effective date of this Act], apply to the Secretary of the Department of Safety and Homeland Security for a
certificate of possession.
1 year to get it done??
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What I don't understand is this:
"completed an application, passed a background check, and has a receipt or purchase order for the assault weapon, without regard to whether the purchaser has actual physical possession of the assault weapon."
Usually you pass a background check when you pick up the firearm. How do you pass a check and not take possession?
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Good point. The dealer would need to have the firearm in hand to start a 4473. It would not be possible to have a Brady check done without the 4473
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I'm thinking (hoping) all this is moot. This will be challenged in court and cannot become law because of 2A and Delaware's Constitution.
Non of us downstate are going to give up our firearms because this whole thing is upside down.
They drop 71% of gun cases?
Well, they can DROP THIS TOO.
When this does go to court, they should make all litigants pay Delaware Court costs for wasting taxpayer money.
Simon
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Liars. Liars Liars!!!!!!
This bill (passed by senate 13-8 yesterday) has a financial statement attached. See this:
https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GetPdfDocument?fileAttachmentId=551779
The legislators who put this out stated numerous times that there would be no registration or retaining of identifying information with these “voluntary” certificates. Read the attached as it clearly provides $305,656 for funding of registration, registration cards AND the computers to collect this information.
Either they are planning registration or they are fraudulently appropriating funds for such.
Governor will now sign this and this needs to be taken to court IMMEDIATELY.
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So they are going to use taxpayer money to screw over the taxpayer WOW!!
I can tell you, no one down here is going to volunteer ANYTHING to these creeps.
Maybe this will wake up the 'ordinary' Democrat and vote these idiots out of office..
-Simon
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Still having an issue with §1467 (c) saying the secretary of the department of safety and homeland security establishing procedures for those that apply for certificate of possession, having bought before the ban goes into effect. It goes on to saying what the cert must contain:
Proof of possession before effective date
Make, model, sn
Name, address, dob, thumbprint of the owner
But then it says "... and any other information the secretary deems appropriate"
Does that mean (as mentioned in previous posts) that a simple notarized card with this info may not suffice? And if that's the case, how long will it take that entity to determine what "other information" on this certificate is needed? What if i print my left thumb and they want the right thumb, or all fingers? What if it takes them a year to figure it out, just in time to not allow anyone to get the cert because the grace period to get one is only a year?
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Got turned down by a notary at the UPS store and two banks but I found one in Millsboro
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The notary I used works at my local gun shop. She did me a favor doing the certification . I don't know if I should give her name out without asking, but contact your gun shop as they may have a notary on staff.
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AS stated before, I am a notary in NCC. I will do it.
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None of this is finalized yet, I assume. Do we keep those "certificates", or does the gument get them? If the latter, no way!!!!
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Thanks for the offer Radnor. I would have liked to meet you face to face but driving up to NCC on a summer Friday wasn’t in the cards unless I couldn’t find a notary in Sussex
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None of this is finalized yet, I assume. Do we keep those "certificates", or does the gument get them? If the latter, no way!!!!
The cake has been baked. Just awaiting King Karney’s signature which rumor has it will be up in Rehoboth in the presence of Brandon for a photo op.
As for the “certificate of possession”. check my earlier post. They are appropriating over $300,000 for registration cards and computers ( even though they say NO REGISTRATION). Liars!!!!
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Brandon will be in Rehoboth on Saturday. I think Carney wants to sign the bills immediately to get them into law right away so the signing may happen tomorrow.
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PLEASE SIGN THIS BELOW!!
It will help us protect our gun rights. Just fill out your info and it will send a note to Carney
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I just read the repub legislative report. They have just turned a large portion of law-abiding citizens into criminals, just what they always wanted. Now they release the real criminals and put us there.
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I saw his pen that he will use to sign the ANTI 2A Bills......
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Thanks for the offer Radnor. I would have liked to meet you face to face but driving up to NCC on a summer Friday wasn’t in the cards unless I couldn’t find a notary in Sussex
I should have given you my number when in Dover that Wednesday. It's in my profile
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Just spoke to a friend of mine. He took photos of the s/n(s) and emailed them to himself. I'd add today's paper underneath too.
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Here's where we are......
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That is what is known in parts of the world as communism, socialism, authoritarianism, dictatorships, etc. One party rules. We do what we want because we can, you don't matter, and poo on those brilliant Constitutions.