Delaware Concealed Carry Forum
State News & Gun News => NRA & National Gun News => Topic started by: MarkB on July 05, 2022, 12:49:34 AM
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What are your thoughts on trying to get a Maryland non-resident CCW permit (called a "Wear and Carry Permit") in light of the recent SCOTUS decision vs New York?
Needed are a passport color photo, fingerprints and a training course unless exempt and passing a background check. Allow 90 days for approval. Exemptions are:
You are an active law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
You are a retired law enforcement officer with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State or any local law enforcement agency in the State.
You are an active, retired, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard.
You are a Qualified Handgun Instructor registered with the Maryland State Police.
You have successfully completed a firearms training course given by a Qualified Handgun Instructor. (The on-line firearm safety course is no longer accepted).
Reasons could be personal protection due to the rising crime rate, personal handicap and the SCOTUS decision. Any other valid reasons?
What do you think?
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"Allow 90 days for processing....."
FASTER then Delaware!
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I signed up on their permitting portal last week but their "reasoning" categories haven't changed. The last check box saying "personal protection", then a description about needing documented proof of threats, robberies, etc, is still there. That's where I stopped in the process because I didn't know if I was going to have to scan something. Although that category shouldn't really be there anymore, it still is. I contacted one of the approved training individuals about it and he told me to wait
My guess is someone would spend the money and it might not go anywhere until the md legislature completes their part of adjusting permitting post bruin. I think maybe you could get reimbursed for the permitting fee, but certainly not any training courses or passport pics.
I'm interested in one because I have family there. And of the few times I patronize businesses in md it's always in elkton, and that place has some real iffy areas, including a murder at a small gas station across the street where my dad works, which is also elkton PD headquarters
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I certainly wouldn't/won't be one of the first to try.
But, of course, we do need people to be first (so we can find out if they are really going to issue any), so I vote you try it.
;) ;) ;D ;D
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Well it's not like you'd be arrested either. But there is another post on here saying hogan just announced that section has been dropped
I'm going to keep going for one so I'll be needing to do some more fingerprinting and find I guess 3 people to vouch. I just don't know if they need to reside in md or just any non- family member. I think it would be brilliant to force you to know someone for 2+ years in a different state
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I certainly wouldn't/won't be one of the first to try.
But, of course, we do need people to be first (so we can find out if they are really going to issue any), so I vote you try it.
;) ;) ;D ;D
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I think there will be a slew of out of staters applying. All of the states ( including Washington D.c.) surrounding Maryland are “shall issue” except Delaware and there is a lot of crossing of state lines especially in the Virginia area. We in southern Sussex County could sure use a Maryland license.
Clarence Thomas did note in his ruling that Delaware ACTED like a Shall Issue state. I would guess that the highly restricted process for an out of state CCW in Delaware is unconstitutional as well as the 5 signature from your county.
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You got that right, Clarence, it would be nice to have down here in Sussex county, as the Peninsula is split right in half and I've slipped up more than once.
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Now that Gov. Hogan has eliminated the "personal Protection" requirement for the MD Wear and Carry Permit (it has been removed from the first page but appears on other pages) it is time to apply for a Maryland CCW permit.
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I submitted my Wear and Carry application today. I'll keep you updated on how it goes. Check back in 90 days (or maybe more).
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I submitted my Wear and Carry application today. I'll keep you updated on how it goes. Check back in 90 days (or maybe more).
Where did you do your Live Scan?
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There were two places listed in Salisbury which are the closest to me in Milton: CJIS MVA at 251 Tilghman Rd and Bay Shore Services, Inc at 1235 Pemberton Rd. I believe the MVA location is part of Motor Vehicles and is a State facility. I chose Bay Shore Services because they are not a State facility. I thought it would be quicker with them. I called yesterday (Thursday) about 9:45 AM and I was able to make an appointment for 3:45 the same day. I drove there and was in and out in less than 15 minutes. The cost was $51.25 for the fingerprinting and background checks (State and Federal). The phone number for Bay Shore Services is 410-341-0307. They do not take credit cards siI pain with cash.
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If the MSP numbers permit applications consequentially then based upon my application number over 30270 applications have been submitted for all of 2022. That also means there are over 30200 applications ahead of me.
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I found one in Berlin. Will they give you a number to put on the application? I will do the classes next week so that should be it. In some ways easier than Delaware. No newspaper ad and the references are just listed and can live anywhere.
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The number you will need is shown on the receipt for the fingerprinting. You will also have to send a copy of the receipt with the application.
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ugh i've been trying to call the number provided from the hyperlink in the application and all 3 or 4 times it was on-hold music for like 30 minutes. i figured i'd waste a day and go to the walk-in site in baltimore but the address puts it in a shopping center and no actual building. if it's anything like dover i'm sure i'd be standing in line forever
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There was an announcement by the Maryland State Police to all law enforcement that any existing “Wear and Carry” licenses with restriction ( like while carrying money) are no longer to be considered restricted.
I know Delaware used to issue restricted licenses to carry but I have not seen that for a long time. Does anyone you know have a restricted Delaware license?
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Well... I just applied to be a HLQ Instructor with MD.
This will be good for the W&C training. Waiting for them to accept my application.
THEN onto the W&C.
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ugh i've been trying to call the number provided from the hyperlink in the application and all 3 or 4 times it was on-hold music for like 30 minutes. i figured i'd waste a day and go to the walk-in site in baltimore but the address puts it in a shopping center and no actual building. if it's anything like dover i'm sure i'd be standing in line forever
I had trouble on the phone the other day but I did get a call back in about 1/2 hour. When I started the on line application you are supposed to immediately get an email to confirm your identity. It didn’t come so I called. The MSP corporal called back and explained that it was going to take a couple days for Google to upgrade their system. About 2 hours later I received the email and was able to start the process
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I never called. I just read up on the permit process, created my account on the website and followed what was needed in the permit steps. I was able to save the application as I went through it so I could bring it back up later to continue until I was finished ans submitted the application. Fairly easy. Keep in mind that as a veteran I was exempt from the training course.
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So, does Md. recognise the Training Course one took in Delaware?
-Simon
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Doubt it.
For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
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How much money we talking about to get a MD. non-resident permit for a Former military applicant?
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How much money we talking about to get a MD. non-resident permit for a Former military applicant?
Maryland permits are not resident or non resident. The Maryland license is called a “Permit to Wear and Carry” They issue this license to all that qualify irregardless of where you live. The only change is that you no longer need a “good and substantial” reason. That was what stopped most everyone from getting the permit. You had to carry money or be under some type of on going physical threat.
You are quite fortunate in that retired military are exempt from the training. 16 hours and about $300
You will need to go to a Live Scan fingerprint center. $50-65 and also pay the fee for the permit which for 1st timers is $75 for 2 years.
The entire process is on line as you will upload picture, your DD-214 and the receipt for the fingerprints.
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
I’ll let you know. Starting training tomorrow and I’ll post a report.
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As to the cost --- I have spent $51.25 total for the fingerprinting and background checks and the initial $75 for the permit. The final cost is $126.25. That is my total as I am a honorably discharged veteran from the USCG.
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I don't know if anyone can answer this but what is the wait time to get your application "accepted" by the MDSP? I think it may be longer than usual due to the increase in applications.
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Exemption for Veterans is really cool! I just started the application. I'll have to dig up my references and get my live scan done this week.
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i just finalized and submitted my app after taking a trip to baltimore for fingerprinting. i concur with the previous posts on costs. $75 for the app, $51.25 for the state/fbi background check. submitted my DD-214 as well, so if it's all good i wish condolences to those who require the 16hr training. im sure it's pretty backed up at this point. of the maybe 8 people i was around in the waiting room i think 6 of us were there for carry permits
as far as the training is concerned i think maybe it requires a live fire on target and a certain percentage of hits to pass. i think for any civilian it's less than someone who has a "need" for a firearm in terms of their current job, like private security, etc. maybe 80% vs 70%, but don't hold me to that
there is also "no need" to call them for updates on your app status since they say you get automatic emails when your app goes to the next stage. as soon as i submitted i got an email saying as much
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I don't know if anyone can answer this but what is the wait time to get your application "accepted" by the MDSP? I think it may be longer than usual due to the increase in applications.
I immediately got an email that my application was submitted. Less than an hour later, I received another e-mail that said my application had been reviewed, accepted and that I will receive still another e-mail when an investigator is assigned.
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I'm still waiting for them to accept my training.
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I submitted my application on 7/8/22. I just today (7/19/22) received the email saying it was accepted and will be assigned to an investigator in the order received. I don't know if they do the order based on the submission date or the acceptance date. In any event, it will be a while before I hear from them again though I may be surprised.
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I'm still waiting for them to accept my training.
Please let us know, when you do. I have at least two of us that are looking
forward to taking the courses from you. ~DG
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I hope they DO 'accept your training' Radnor, but if they don't accept my Delaware CCDW as valid, I will be surprised if they do.
Which makes no sense of course, unless they have different rules in MD., but that shouldn't take 16 hrs (what the hell are we doing for 16 hrs.?) I see that as an infringement because it shouldn't take more than an hour to go over their rules and take a test.
I also see they prohibit firearms in all the places you SHOULD carry.
-School Property, State owned public buildings, State forests and parks, rest areas, child care etc.
-Simon
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The training I am waiting for them to accept is my nra certs to be able to teach the 16hr course.
If I can teach it, I am exempt from taking it.
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What takes 16 hrs??? Does it matter that I am an NRA instructor, CCW in DE/PA. Too old to sit thru a 16 hr course.
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What takes 16 hrs??? Does it matter that I am an NRA instructor, CCW in DE/PA. Too old to sit thru a 16 hr course.
If you were ever in the military ( not just retired or current active duty) you can skip the training.
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What takes 16 hrs??? Does it matter that I am an NRA instructor, CCW in DE/PA. Too old to sit thru a 16 hr course.
Your nra Pistol instructor should be enough to satisfy the training.
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ex-military w/High Individual in 26th Air Division medal(about 1964, w/Korean era M1 carbine.), NRA certs in rifle/pistol/shotgun.
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Ok, so not being ex-military, what could I possibly gain from 16 hrs of......what??
Do they take you squirrel hunting or something? My dad showed me how to do that.
Do they take you to boot camp and drill you like Sgt. Carter? That would be fun.
This is obviously a deterrent meant to discourage you from your constitutional right. And I call BS!
-Simon
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“ obviously a deterrent meant to discourage you from your constitutional right.”
Ding ding ding.........we have a winner!!!
Slsharp
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You also need 8 hours of "training" for a renewal. I guess we forget things.
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Training approved. 8)
Now on to the application.....
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Great news, Radnor. Step by step....
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Application started.
Need to add PCN # from finger printing
3 references (need their full name/addr & employment info) - thought DEL was bad for the references...
upload passport photo
upload finger printing receipt.
Called 2 places for finger printing (Elkton & cecil coll) waiting for an appointment time
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MarkB,
How did you pay when you submitted the application? Does the portal accept cc?
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MarkB,
How did you pay when you submitted the application? Does the portal accept cc?
Yes paid with debit card. $75
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What he said.
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Ty. 8/10 I get printed. Cc accepted (cecil coll).
Then on to application
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Has anyone had their application assigned to an investigator yet? This is the next step in the process after acceptance.
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If you go on the portal and click Dashboard, then HGP select “print application” ( you don’t have to print) it will populate and in the upper left see if you have a series of numbers after NICS. Apparently you will be assigned an investigator within a few days after the NICS number appears.
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
I’ll let you know. Starting training tomorrow and I’ll post a report.
Perhaps I missed it but haven't seen your update.
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
I’ll let you know. Starting training tomorrow and I’ll post a report.
Perhaps I missed it but haven't seen your update.
June 23. SCOTUS decision
July 5: Hogan order
July 5: Start application, #HGP202223***, schedule training
July 10: Get “live scan” prints. ( Berlin MD)
July. 11. start training
July. 16. Complete training ( Salisbury MD)
July 17. Submit application ( receive acknowledgment email). Pay 75$ fee
July 17. Receive “accepted” email stating that it was reviewed for completeness. No further . documentation needed I will receive another e-mail when an investigator is assigned.
July 28 NICS number on application in dashboard ( this is rumored to be 3-5 days prior to assignment of an investigator. )
? Assign investigator
? Receive final disposition
? Card in mailbox
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Thanks, Clarence for the update. Mine was accepted on the 19th so we'll see what happens this week, maybe.
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MarkB: Do you have a NICS number?
For us non Marylanders, I did see a Virginia resident was approved Thursday and received permit in Saturday’s mail. Interestingly no references called or interview.
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No NICS number yet. Maybe this week. I hope.
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Clarence. Did you get an email teiiling you the NICS number had been issued or did it just appear in your account?
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
I’ll let you know. Starting training tomorrow and I’ll post a report.
Perhaps I missed it but haven't seen your update.
June 23. SCOTUS decision
July 5: Hogan order
July 5: Start application, #HGP202223***, schedule training
July 10: Get “live scan” prints. ( Berlin MD)
July. 11. start training
July. 16. Complete training ( Salisbury MD)
July 17. Submit application ( receive acknowledgment email). Pay 75$ fee
July 17. Receive “accepted” email stating that it was reviewed for completeness. No further . documentation needed I will receive another e-mail when an investigator is assigned.
July 28 NICS number on application in dashboard ( this is rumored to be 3-5 days prior to assignment of an investigator. )
? Assign investigator
? Receive final disposition
? Card in mailbox
I was refering to the extra 8 hours of training. Is it additional lecture or range time?
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NormH3: The 16 hours is Maryland law. A good deal of time was Maryland specific law. My particular class made use of a very realistic simulator actually almost heart-stopping. Not a video game but with real actors and results. Blood and all. I am sure that very few other MD courses have thus.
We went out to shoot and it is scored with the results attached to the application. Drive out to a range that is owned by the training company. The shooting regime is specific and mandated by the Maryland State Police. This takes time.
Remember that almost all of the Marylanders in the class have never carried a gun and the class was piggybacked on the required HQL Handgun Qualification License that they need even to buy a hand gun. As a “Wear and Carry” was heretofore virtually impossible to get, it was not even on their radar screen until Bruen. Consequently a many did not have a gun. Quite different from Delaware. By getting the now “Shall Issue” Wear and Carry they can automatically get the HQL to buy a pistol. A lot of the class was then very basic information about firearms.
There was also a lot of instruction on situation avoidance that of course we all need.
Much of the remainder of the time is the same as you would get in the Delaware mandated NRA basic pistol course.
The time could definitely be cut back but my particular class was very worthwhile.
I did 2 four hour evenings and then an 8 hour weekend day.
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Clarence. Did you get an email teiiling you the NICS number had been issued or did it just appear in your account?
No email. Just checked application on Friday and saw it was there.
The race is on!!
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Thanks, I'll keep checking.
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For information purposes here is the scored shooting test required by the Maryland State Police for a Wear and Carry Permit. The first part is for armed guards, W&C applicants use the second course of fire.
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organization/Documents/Live%20Fire%20Courses%20(2).doc.pdf
Your trainer will score the target ( just has to be in the black) and give you a document that you will attach to your on-line application. Make sure you and the trainer sign this. A perfect score is 25.
You must get 70% of 50 shots in the black.
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For information purposes here is the scored shooting test required by the Maryland State Police for a Wear and Carry Permit. The first part is for armed guards, W&C applicants use the second course of fire.
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organization/Documents/Live%20Fire%20Courses%20(2).doc.pdf
Your trainer will score the target ( just has to be in the black) and give you a document that you will attach to your on-line application. Make sure you and the trainer sign this. A perfect score is 25.
You must get 70% of 50 shots in the black.
not gonna lie, i actually appreciate this type of qualification after looking things over. at first i only knew the gist of the qualifying. it sort of brought me back to military handgun training. although i can't remember exactly what i needed to do to qual with the handgun, a lot of this is sounding familiar.
in the end i only scored to sharpshooter on the beretta (blamed it on the soda i had before shooting) but the distances were definitely farther, time shorter, and more rounds were sent down range. i'd love to be more involved in tactical training but $$$
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Ok I think this training required is ridiculous.
Who died and left the State of Md. in charge of how WELL I shoot? I don't think that should be their purview. A hunting license does not require target practice. A drivers license does not require 20 laps around the local dirt track. (yet they would let illegals vote, same day registration and no ID)
Safety, on the other hand IS relevant, knowing what your limitations are, and of course where and how to carry.
This is nothing but nothing but infringement and intimidation in my book.
-Simon
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For initial application they require 16hrs of training.
8hr on renewal.
Sure your de didn't cover it.
This begs the question as to what is done in the second 8 hours. Is it 8 more hours of range time or is it 8 more hours of listening to an instructor and watching a slide show?
I’ll let you know. Starting training tomorrow and I’ll post a report.
Perhaps I missed it but haven't seen your update.
June 23. SCOTUS decision
July 5: Hogan order
July 5: Start application, #HGP202223***, schedule training
July 10: Get “live scan” prints. ( Berlin MD)
July. 11. start training
July. 16. Complete training ( Salisbury MD)
July 17. Submit application ( receive acknowledgment email). Pay 75$ fee
July 17. Receive “accepted” email stating that it was reviewed for completeness. No further . documentation needed I will receive another e-mail when an investigator is assigned.
July 28 NICS number on application in dashboard ( this is rumored to be 3-5 days prior to assignment of an investigator. )
? Assign investigator
? Receive final disposition
? Card in mailbox
Clarence, you are running faster than me. I submitted on 7/8 and it was accepted on 7/19. As a veteran I didn't need the training. I'm still waiting for a NICS number to appear. Where did the NICS number show up? In the messages or in the HGP update section?
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Ok I think this training required is ridiculous.
Who died and left the State of Md. in charge of how WELL I shoot? I don't think that should be their purview. A hunting license does not require target practice. A drivers license does not require 20 laps around the local dirt track. (yet they would let illegals vote, same day registration and no ID)
Safety, on the other hand IS relevant, knowing what your limitations are, and of course where and how to carry.
This is nothing but nothing but infringement and intimidation in my book.
-Simon
I totally understand the infringement on it's merit considering the text of the 2nd, but at the same time I appreciate a person's ability to demonstrate competence. And the distances involved in the training shouldn't be difficult in the least unless you have some kind of physical disability
And I wonder what percentage of first time gun buyers are going to the range to actually fire them in a timely fashion. I know first hand a couple that bought a shotgun 2 years ago that have yet to shoot it, even after I've begged them over and over again. At this point they should have just gotten a Louisville since they'll probably just end up not knowing how to use it and swing it anyway
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Oaklandopen: I agreed with you 100% on the value of training and regularly honing your shooting skills.
The problem here is the infringement by mandating such.
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Sorry I just needed to rant; I HATE the blatant disregard these sap sucking politicians have for the 2nd Amendment.
Hope you all get the Md. permits soon. I will have to wait.
Simon
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Finger printing done today.
Application submitted
The WAIT is on.....
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Just signed up to take the class in a couple weekends. And so the process begins...
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so as of 8/2 my application was approved. i was awaiting an email instead of logging into the portal everyday, but it went to my spam
WHOEVER APPLIED YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR SPAM!!! lol
the email i received, and was a message on the portal, basically said that the MSP completed the review of my permit, and that i will receive a written notification of the disposition via USPS within 5-7 business days. i really don't know what that means. it literally sound like i might get a letter that says "we have completed a review of your application and determined you will be able to wear and carry......." and that it won't be the actual card. or maybe that is the card or proof that i am able to carry, who knows
anyway, 8/2 was last tuesday so i am now eagerly awaiting some sort of letter in the mail.
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Congrats, Oaklandopen. You are the first here , I think, to get approved. I was accepted on 7/19/22 and I'm waiting for a further update.
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MarkB. Did you get your NICS number and date yet?
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Clarence, no number yet. I keep checking both the HGP Application and Messages tabs but nothing yet. The last update was 7/19/22 with "Acceptance".
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my permit came in today. dropped off at the neighbor's but he brought it over.
my renewal will be in the spring of 2025
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my permit came in today. dropped off at the neighbor's but he brought it over.
my renewal will be in the spring of 2025
Congratulations!!! I guess the rumor of the printer crapping out was true.
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I moved to AZ a year ago, but I still come to this site every day to follow how your 2A rights are getting taken away in one state & slightly restored in another...
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I moved to AZ a year ago, but I still come to this site every day to follow how your 2A rights are getting taken away in one state & slightly restored in another...
i love the "slightly restored" line
it's the craziest thing. the 2nd really is the ONLY right that gets torn up the way it does at state levels. not only that, these states know the process to make things worse is much faster than the process to get things back to how they were originally written (meaning supreme court decision). then, you have states that are just not caring about SCOTUS decisions in the least
i really wish we could get something going with the reciprocity bill that was introduced some years ago. i get that the permitting part, especially for concealed, is probably not going away in a few of the states.
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Clarence, any update on your application? I'm still waiting for a NICS number.
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I submitted 7/18 accepted about an hour later and got a NICS 7/28. Crickets since.
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I've submitted and that's where it is at. ....
8/10
Email today ACCEPTED
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Approved today. Now to keep watch on mailbox. 29 days from application accepted to approved.
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I called MDSP and I received a standard answer to my question on an update. 90 days from acceptance is the expected tim for approval.
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I called MDSP and I received a standard answer to my question on an update. 90 days from acceptance is the expected tim for approval.
If you go to the Maryland Forum (MD Shooters) you will see that they do a good job tracking submitted, accepted and approved timelines. It seems like calling the MSP will do no good ( like calling the Prothonotary office in Delaware)
https://www.mdshooters.com/posts/6753511/
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Thanks for that, Clarence. The MDShooters site said to look at the upper left hand corner of your application when you go to Print Application on the MDSP licensing portal and you will see the NICS number, if assigned. That said, my application has a NICS number issued 8-11-22. Waiting on the next step and not holding my breath.
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Boondock Saint on thr MDShooters Forun posted these averages as of last evening. Can't copy and past.
Go to: https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/application-progress-tracking-thread.266788/page-158#post-6755327 (https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/application-progress-tracking-thread.266788/page-158#post-6755327)
Post # 3154 for the averages of submission and approval times.
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Boondock Saint on thr MDShooters Forun posted these averages as of last evening. Can't copy and past.
Go to: https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/application-progress-tracking-thread.266788/page-158#post-6755327 (https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/application-progress-tracking-thread.266788/page-158#post-6755327)
Post # 3154 for the averages of submission and approval times.
I think what we are seeing is a massive number of application coming in after the July 16-17 weekend as folks completed training. The one thing I can’t understand is the wide gap between Submitted and Accepted. Mine was less than an hour. Someone ( a civilian?) actually looks through what you submitted and verifies that everything the investigator needs is available. Seems these are looked at in no particular order.
The accepted e-mail says that you will be notified when an investigator is assigned. This is not happening because the subjective “good and substantial” is gone.
The investigator is a sworn State Trooper submits the prints to NICS and pulls an FBI Identity History Summary Check ( “Rap Sheet”) as well as checking about a dozen other state and federal data bases. If nothing is found references, employers and spouses are not called. At this point apparently they are given final approval by accepted date.
Starting the week of 7/18 there is a huge surge in applications. That is what we are seeing now.
This is all quite interesting as all other states just approve and send you the license in whatever time frame suits them. Maryland uniquely gives you the ability to track the progress. This is why all the angst and speculation on the MDshooters and Reddit websites.
It’s important to note that the Maryland State Police have had to do a 180 in that since April of 1972 the “good and substantial” reason had been law that they had to enforce. They did not make the law. Prior to 1972, Maryland ( except the city of Baltimore ) was open carry with concealed carry at the discretion of the county sheriffs who used to give out concealed licenses to supporters in the form of badges or pins with a letter. The current system remained unchanged from 1972 until July 5th, 2022 when Governor Hogan ordered the state police to follow Bruen and make the state “ Shall Issue”.
I think they are actually doing the best they can with the resources they have.
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I agree. The SCOUTS decision and Gov. Hogan's elimination of the "good and substantial reason" opened the floodgates and the MDSP is getting overwelmed with applications.
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That's interesting that the people you list don't get called if nothing comes back on the background checks. I asked my people and they all said no one called
I'm glad I did mine pretty quick since I didn't have to do the training. If I had waited it probably would have taken me longer. Guess I was in the early group after the hogan decision
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Update:
June 23. SCOTUS decision
July 5: Hogan order
July 5: Start application, #HGP202223***, schedule training
July 10: Get “live scan” prints. ( Berlin MD)
July. 11. start training
July. 16. Complete training ( Salisbury MD)
July 17. Submit application ( receive acknowledgment email). Pay 75$ fee
July 17. Receive “accepted” email stating that it was reviewed for completeness. No further . documentation needed I will receive another e-mail when an investigator is assigned.
July 28 NICS number on application in dashboard ( this is rumored to be 3-5 days prior to assignment of an investigator. )
? Assign investigator
August 16 Receive final disposition email
August 20 Wear and Carry permit #HGP22-499xx in mailbox
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Clarence, congratulations. I'm not far behind you. I'm hoping for a permit next week. I'm in the 7/19 group. Now you can travel to MD safely.
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Clarence, congratulations. I'm not far behind you. I'm hoping for a permit next week. I'm in the 7/19 group. Now you can travel to MD safely.
I know we don’t have the population base that Maryland has, but more Delawareans should know about this forum.
As as matter of fact we should encourage neighboring states that newly have acquired the right to carry to check us out too. They can now, with easily obtainable licenses from other states ( AZ, FL,UT), carry here seamlessly when crossing the border and should be up to date on the situation in Delaware.
I think I will start by linking DECCW to their forums.
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Clarence, congratulations. I'm not far behind you. I'm hoping for a permit next week. I'm in the 7/19 group. Now you can travel to MD safely.
You are close, real close. Your friend in QA County will be noticing a bulge on your belt line.
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Well. For us down here in South East Sussex, this is kind of life changing. Came over the bridge on RT 54 and turned right behind Harpoon Hannah’s and crossed into the Old Line State. Ocean City. Did my Wally-Walk in the Acme. This was a route I never took without planning. Now free to travel in safety.
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Congratulations. Looking forward to doing the same soon.
Mine will be going all the way to camp and not disarming at the check point.
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Stoopid question. Does Maryland require an out of state resident to have their resident permit to apply?
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Not a brilliant question at all. Maryland does not require your home state permit. Maryland issues permits irregardless of your location. As they are being processed I have seen no difference between Maryland resident or non residents. Your address will not be on your permit.
The references on the application (3) must have known you for at least 3 years but they can live anywhere and do not have to sign affidavits like Delaware.
The fingerprints must be done via the Livescan system and must be done in Maryland.
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Clarence, any references used for thr MD Wear and Carry Permit need to have known you for two year and not the three years you mentioned. I checked and confirmed this on the MSP website. Now go and enjoy and use your new MD permit.
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Thanks Mark. Appreciate the correction. You will be getting your email soon
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It is nice that that big barrier at the border has been removed so you can move freely between states. I think I'll get mine later this week (I hope).
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Patients my friends, patients. A watched pot never boils.
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Sturm: I guess it’s just getting something we never thought we would get.
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Patients my friends, patients. A watched pot never boils.
In my instance the water was boiling unnoticed in my junk email when I was finally approved. I kept looking at emails instead of the portal
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Mark: I predict today is your day.
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I am hoping to submit my application later this week. Is there anything special I should know?
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Folks, I received my approval for the MD permit this morning. Now I wait on the post office
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Folks, I received my approval for the MD permit this morning. Now I wait on the post office
Mine too was approved on a Tuesday. It was in my mailbox on Saturday. Congratulations! It’s been an adventure.
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No permit in the mail today!! MSP didn't overnight it. I guess I'll just wait until Saturday/Monday.
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USPS informed delivery is showing an envelope from the Maryland State Police for delivery tomorrow. My permit should be inside it. I'll confirm tomorrow.
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Early congratulations.
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USPS informed delivery is showing an envelope from the Maryland State Police for delivery tomorrow. My permit should be inside it. I'll confirm tomorrow.
Congratulations!!! Making Maryland safer.
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Patients my friends, patients. A watched pot never boils.
Hey Sturm: You gonna go for it?
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I am hoping to submit my application later this week. Is there anything special I should know?
Make sure you and your instructor sign your qualification sheet. I’ve seen people on the MDShooters site have it kicked back and delayed weeks for this.
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I am hoping to submit my application later this week. Is there anything special I should know?
Make sure you and your instructor sign your qualification sheet. I’ve seen people on the MDShooters site have it kicked back and delayed weeks for this.
Thanks Clarence! I think that was in order. I just submitted my application today. Here is hoping everything is in order!
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This is confirmation that I received my Maryland permit today. Interesting that there is no address on it. There is no way to tell that I'm not a Maryland resident. As luck would have it, I had to make a trip this afternoon and evening to Kent Island. It was nice to have that weight on my hip when I crossed into Maryland.
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MD having a portal where you can view the status of your application is both a blessing and a curse. I know good and well that I am not seeing my permit for weeks, but that doesn't stop me from checking for updates two or three times a day. haha
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If you want to drive yourself really crazy, check out the MDShooters forum / application tracking
Apparently it goes by the “acceptance” date of your application ( not the submission) date. People on there checking what day they are approving. ( right now they are approving July 27th acceptances).
Maybe Delaware is better for your sanity as you just cast a pile of paper into a black hole and start checking your US Post office mail box after a couple months until it magically appears.
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Yeah, I regularly visit over there as well seeing what the latest scoop is.
I have USPS Informed Delivery so each day they send me a picture of the mail I will receive that day. You better believe when I was waiting on my Delaware permit that I was keeping an eye on that every single day as well.
Too bad "shall not be infringed" is too vague for most people to understand.
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Seth, check your mailbox.
;D
I'm the same way. Check regularly
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Patients my friends, patients. A watched pot never boils.
Hey Sturm: You gonna go for it?
Clarence,
I was born and raised in Maryland. Have lived in Delaware for over 55 years now, I seldom go to Maryland and at my age I can't convince myself getting a MD. permit would be worth it. I will probably shelve that for now.
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Strum: I see your point. We live fairly close to the state line and “Mrs. C” and do go into Maryland at least once a week.
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Strum: I see your point. We live fairly close to the state line and “Mrs. C” and do go into Maryland at least once a week.
i also live on the line, but i frequent md for the family there
very seldom do i go into maryland, but when i do i don't want to be on pins and needles for having been completely legal to suddenly felon and i don't even go into any businesses or anything. literally to a private property and back to delaware, and if one were pulled over in transit and something was found that's the end of me. so freaking brilliant
the 10th amendment should not apply to the 2nd