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Moosie

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Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« on: January 16, 2011, 07:18:19 PM »
I know how I'm spending my tax return..... 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/16/congress.gun.control/index.html?hpt=C1

Democrats are pushing gun control in the wake of the Tuscon shootings.

Democrats face tough fight on gun control after Tucson shootingsBy Tom Cohen, CNN
January 16, 2011 2:56 p.m. EST
 
The shootings in Arizona killed six people and wounded 13.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Stiff resistance to gun control remains despite the 6 killed and 13 wounded
Democratic Sen. Schumer: "There haven't been the votes in Congress"
Republicans cite failure to detect mental illness, not lax gun laws
Washington (CNN) -- Bring back the ban on assault weapons, or tighten enforcement of existing gun control laws and regulations?

Those were two options for strengthening gun control offered Sunday by Democrats in the wake of the Tucson, Arizona, shootings last week that killed six people and wounded 13, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

The limited range of ideas showed the power of the pro-gun lobby in Washington, with Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York acknowledging that passing any gun control legislation was "hard."

"Let's be honest here -- there haven't been the votes in the Congress for gun control," Schumer told the NBC program "Meet the Press."

While outgoing Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania called for restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, Schumer instead proposed "looking for things where we can maybe find some common ground and get something done."

Republicans stuck to their traditional pro-gun stance, arguing that the Tucson incident involved a mentally unstable assailant rather than a symptom of lax gun control laws.

"If you have somebody that is a criminal, that wants to get around the law, they're going to get around the law," Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma said on the NBC program. "The problem with gun laws is they limit the ability to defend yourself, one. But number two, is that people who are going to commit a crime or going to do something crazy aren't going to pay attention to the laws in the first place."

Possible steps outlined by Schumer and other Democrats included limiting to 10 the number of rounds for ammunition clips in semi-automatic weapons like the one used in the Tucson shootings, which had clips holding more than 30 rounds.

The 10-round limit was part of the assault weapons ban, which was passed in 1994 under Democratic President Bill Clinton and allowed to expire 10 years later under Republican President George W. Bush.

Schumer also called for stronger steps to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing guns, and ensuring that the military notifies the FBI when it rejects candidates based on excessive drug use.

He said Tucson shooting suspect Jared Loughner was rejected for military service because of excessive drug use.

"By law that's on the books, he should not have been allowed to buy a gun, but the law doesn't require the military to notify the FBI about that," Schumer said. "In this case, they didn't."

Schumer defended both the constitutional right to bear arms, as well as the power of Congress to put some limits on weapon ownership and use.

"There is a right to bear arms. It's in the Constitution. And you can't ignore it, just like you can't ignore the others," Schumer said. "But like all the other rights, it's not absolute."

Citing the success of previous gun control efforts, Schumer said that "smart, rational gun control laws that protect the right to bear arms, but have reasonable limits are the way to go."

Coburn, however, said approaching the Tucson shootings as a gun control issue would miss the central problem -- the failure to properly intervene in a case of obvious mental instability.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a possible Republican presidential contender in 2012, made the same point on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

"It would seem to me that you'd address this with the most relevant problem first," Giuliani said. "The most relevant problem was the lack of an ability to deal with what was apparently paranoid schizophrenia that should have been treated."

He also said political civility must return so that a legitimate debate on gun control could ensue, free of the hyper-partisanship emblematic of Washington.

"I think we could take a look at gun laws and see what can be done that doesn't affect the constitutional rights that people have to have guns, the right they have to protect themselves," Giuliani said. "I mean, there are people that would argue that, if more people had guns, this may not have happened because somebody might have been able to take action immediately and stop him before he inflicted either damage or as much damage as he did."

On the same program, Rendell also said the issue required a thorough and reasoned debate free from excessive politicking.

"We need a rational discussion on guns where we put aside the pressure from interest groups and we take a look and say, does any citizen protecting themselves or their home or using a handgun to hunt, do they need a clip that has 33 bullets in it?" Rendell said, adding that in his mind, the answer was no.

"I think the nation's spirits would be lifted if the Congress acted quickly with the president and reinstated the assault weapons ban, which also had the ban on these large magazines, these clips that carried 30-plus bullets," Rendell added.

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers)

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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 07:41:16 PM »
Wow. You are expecting a tax return?  Does Geitner know about this? :o

Rahm Enabuel said it best when he said "Never let a good tragedy go to waste."  It is truly shameful when the gun control mob stands on the graves of victims while spewing their anti-gun rhetoric and lies.  It is not the truth that matters, it is how effectively you influence people's perception that counts.

Someone said that gun control is like trying to stop drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to buy cars.

The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.
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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 08:02:31 PM »
Fear not.
Even Barney Frank admits that there will not be any "gun control" legislation.
Barney is a realist. When asked by a liberal blogger, he told the guy flat-out that no new gun laws will pass the House.

Don't worry. There will not be magazine restrictions, a so-called "assault weapon" ban, or any other brilliant & useless new laws.
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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 10:24:02 PM »
Absoultly NOTHING surprises me at this point! I am for common sence debate and restrictions / laws, but for some reason in this day and age the truth means nothing. The last thing they want to follow is the Constituton. It seems they will mention it when the need votes or it helps them and their motive. But these BS laws have passed in the past and WILL PASS in the future if we the people cant see through the smoke screen and find out what these people truley believe  (not what their telling us) before they get voted in office .

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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 05:06:48 PM »
Instead of concentrating on the debt this country has taken on , they keep putting up smoke screens. Makes me wounder if the common citizen will ever get it??? I only see it getting a whole lot worse
Alan :-\

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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 07:08:57 PM »
  No gun control needed,  No large clip bans..   Just talk to the army,  seems like a strong connection between rejection and delinquints....   
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Re: Smoke 'em while you've got 'em!
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 11:04:41 AM »
I only see it getting a whole lot worse
Alan :-\

I completely agree. 

Moosie
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers)

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