Author Topic: Carrying at fairgrounds  (Read 20260 times)

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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2013, 03:37:04 PM »
Look at it this way, the Delaware State Fair grounds is a"no carry zone" by their own policy. Just because there is no written state law making it unlawful, does not mean it's smart to carry there. If you are caught carrying, more than likely the patrolling State Police will be called into the situation. You maybe unlucky enough to get a officer that is anti-gun, and while the lawa is, what the law is. this can end up very bad for you. Is it worth the risk to be on the short end of the deal. Get kicked out, and have to take your family home because you couldn't follow policy. I suggest if you won't leave your gun in the car/truck, or at home, best thing is to not go at all. Call it a protest, or what ever makes you feel right.

Good luck trying to convince your kids that you had to take them home from the "Fair" because you couldn't follow the rules. Remember kids watch and understand what you do, and mimic your ways. Is this sending them the right lesson, just so you can "feel right". I think not. The correct message to send them is that sometimes you have to do things in life, wether you agree with it or not.

This is, of course, absolutely correct.
We had been to the fair before, and obeyed the sign. This time, bearing ultimate responsibility for the safety of a 9-year-old whose parents are 8000 miles away, I decided to risk being thrown out and/or interacting unpleasantly with the State Police.

When that horse chomped down on the boy's forearm, there was a moment where I thought I might need to, um, intervene. I was @@@@ glad to be breaking the rules right then, as that horse outweighed me by several hundred pounds and would not have been discouraged by any other defensive efforts I would have been able to offer.

Fortunately, the horse let go, the boy survived mostly unharmed, and I'm not in a holding cell in Harrington waiting for my lawyer.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2013, 04:32:56 PM »
I find this an extremely important discussion to have.  Where some on the open carry site may have jitters carrying in certain places, I’ve had jitters NOT carrying in some locations.  This thread highlights some of the importance in balancing decisions with regard to where and when to carry.  And whether or not there could be negative repercussions.  This is, of course, risk management at the core.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2013, 05:23:32 PM »
I'd say the more important topic here is how one shouldn't openly post on a public forum a disregard for private property laws, etc. If you're ever caught and get an anti-gun LEO who decides to make the arrest any prosecutor or investigator could easily search this forum. This type of post would not go well for you in a courtroom.

It's one thing to say 'carry at your own risk' in these places but its entirely different posting that you knowingly disregard the rules regardless of reason. I'm not judging. Just saying ...

Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2013, 06:40:20 PM »
I'd say the more important topic here is how one shouldn't openly post on a public forum a disregard for private property laws, etc. If you're ever caught and get an anti-gun LEO who decides to make the arrest any prosecutor or investigator could easily search this forum. This type of post would not go well for you in a courtroom.

It's one thing to say 'carry at your own risk' in these places but its entirely different posting that you knowingly disregard the rules regardless of reason. I'm not judging. Just saying ...

Great point.

I think Clinton came up with a phrase that will fit here

"I did not have sex ......"

 not that one "don't ask don't tell"
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2013, 09:37:48 PM »
"Is it worth the risk to be on the short end of the deal. Get kicked out, and have to take your family home because you couldn't follow policy."

To me, it is 100% worth the risk. The only "no guns" signs I pay attention to are the federal buildings, and my workplace, because they can fire me. Things can go south in a hurry wherever you are. This is why we all got permits. I've been carrying every day for four years, and nobody has been the wiser. Sometimes sporting events or fairs may have metal detectors or patting people down at the entrance. That's the time to lock it up in the car, or go home.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2013, 11:17:03 AM »
Lumspond, well said. you summed it up and we all have to make our own decisions based on where we are and the repercussion that might occur.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2013, 12:41:52 PM »
"Is it worth the risk to be on the short end of the deal. Get kicked out, and have to take your family home because you couldn't follow policy."

To me, it is 100% worth the risk. The only "no guns" signs I pay attention to are the federal buildings, and my workplace, because they can fire me. Things can go south in a hurry wherever you are. This is why we all got permits. I've been carrying every day for four years, and nobody has been the wiser. Sometimes sporting events or fairs may have metal detectors or patting people down at the entrance. That's the time to lock it up in the car, or go home.

I agree...If I want to go somewhere and I can not carry...Good chance, I am not going........
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2013, 01:26:48 PM »
Delaware State Fair is over. And, that prettywell answers that.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2013, 07:21:42 PM »
Delaware State Fair is over. And, that prettywell answers that.

The funny thing is there might have been some people who carried guns in there that they were legally permitted to carry based on law. I don't think I heard of one gun incident?
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 05:06:46 PM »
I had a family member who used to work for the fair.  If i remember correctly it was only posted DURING the fair in regards to the fairgrounds.  I also think that has more to do with the casino than anything.  The casino-fairground situation is weird because their two separate companies...sort of.  I wanted to take my carry with me and my mom when we went just because I for one feel weird NOT carrying at this point.  But i relented because she is still friends with many of the directors and I knew that going to visit her friends in the casino (a few of the executives) would be a strong possibility.  I really didn't want to cause a scene because I print a bit (bought my carry in December and it its a bit big for summer clothes) I grabbed my Gerber and left the carry in my room.

I don't know if this is true but I was told that if a business in DE has a no weapons sign and you knowingly (hard to prove) disregard it, you are trespassing at that point.  If they were to call the police you could be charged because the sign carries the same weight as them verbally asking you to leave.  Ignoring it is the same as refusing to leave.  I may be wrong so don't bite my head off because I'm no lawyer, just giving my opinion and what I've always believed.

I haven't looked through laws because it doesn't really offend me because I respect the business and take my business elsewhere.  This is why I haven't stepped foot in BWW in Dover in a long time.
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2013, 05:28:02 PM »
I don't know if this is true but I was told that if a business in DE has a no weapons sign and you knowingly (hard to prove) disregard it, you are trespassing at that point.  If they were to call the police you could be charged because the sign carries the same weight as them verbally asking you to leave.  Ignoring it is the same as refusing to leave.  I may be wrong so don't bite my head off because I'm no lawyer, just giving my opinion and what I've always believed.

For the record, that is not true.

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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2013, 07:53:42 PM »
Of course as good gun owners we all obey the signs.  ;D
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Re: Carrying at fairgrounds
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2013, 01:03:56 AM »
I haven't looked through laws because it doesn't really offend me because I respect the business and take my business elsewhere.  This is why I haven't stepped foot in BWW in Dover in a long time.

I spoke with the owner of the DE BWW franchise; he is pro-carry in his restaurants "as long as you are legal".  The no gun rule is corporate only not the DE BWW Franchise.  Dover, as you know, requires either a CC permit or a letter from the chief of police to open carry. (Correct me, if I'm wrong on Dover).
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