Read that earlier today. What an genius. Zero training. Zero common sense.
In Condition Orange, you set a mental trigger: "If that person does 'x', I will need to stop them."
Agree with Adrenolin 95%, only difference is I don't support OC. He is right on, a person with a gun visible is a target for criminals.
Quote from: Condition 1 on October 09, 2014, 10:05:41 PMAgree with Adrenolin 95%, only difference is I don't support OC. He is right on, a person with a gun visible is a target for criminals.I want to be able to OC in CA (my state), because if the weather gets hot, I want to be able to remove my cover garment w/o losing my CCW permit (assuming we win the Peruta case and I can get a CCW for mere "self-defense"....). Similarly, if the wind should blow open my jacket, or I bend/move and expose my CCW, I don't want to lose my permit.I'd probably prefer to OC when jogging for protection against BGs and/or BDogs. Last: If I'm out hiking/backpacking, I'd prefer OCing.
I don't care if you carry open or concealed as long as you carry. I do both. The targeting of an open carrier during a robbery is not a valid argument. That goes along with the "shoot me first" vest myth you hear about. Studies with inmates have shown that when they see an open carrier they will USUALLY move on to another target. I think the reason this is a story is because it goes against the norm. That being said however, BG's are getting bolder and changing their tactics. We might see this happen more and more.
Do you have source for the studies you mention?
Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."The data suggest that criminals may be a little more concerned about being caught by police and imprisoned than about being shot, but meeting the armed citizen clearly elicited fears of being shot. That deterrent effect of citizen gun ownership appeared in their responses to questions about actual encounters. Although 37% of those surveyed admitted that they personally had "run into a victim who was armed with a gun," that figure surpassed the 50% mark for armed criminals, an experience shared by 57% of the active gun predators. And 34% of the sample admitted to having been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim."Significantly, almost 40% said there was at least one time when the criminal "decided not to do a crime because [he] knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun." Clearly, armed citizens represent a real threat to criminals, a threat with which large numbers are personally familiar, or familiar with through the shared experiences of their fellow outlaws.
I do not know if this is the same study I was referring to from a book I have but it says pretty much the same thing. While this study does not mention open carry specifically it does refer to the criminals knowing if their intended victim is armed.QuoteFifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."The data suggest that criminals may be a little more concerned about being caught by police and imprisoned than about being shot, but meeting the armed citizen clearly elicited fears of being shot. That deterrent effect of citizen gun ownership appeared in their responses to questions about actual encounters. Although 37% of those surveyed admitted that they personally had "run into a victim who was armed with a gun," that figure surpassed the 50% mark for armed criminals, an experience shared by 57% of the active gun predators. And 34% of the sample admitted to having been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim."Significantly, almost 40% said there was at least one time when the criminal "decided not to do a crime because [he] knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun." Clearly, armed citizens represent a real threat to criminals, a threat with which large numbers are personally familiar, or familiar with through the shared experiences of their fellow outlaws.http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2003/the-armed-criminal-in-america.aspxI am not trying to convince someone to open carry or to justify why I or others do it. It is my personal choice just as how you carry is your personal choice. As I said, as long as you carry.
