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Author Topic: 9mm vs 45acp - from experts  (Read 8102 times)
Adrenolin
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2016, 03:35:10 PM »

With today's defensive ammo 9, 40 and 45 pretty much all have similar enough results that I'll take the additional ammo of the 9mm. There are simply times when you'll need more ammo then something that hits slightly harder and makes a 1/8" larger hole. I had originally decided on 9mm as my carry choice due to its price, weight, recoil, mag sizes and pretty much matching ballistics to that of the 40 and 45. After reading about Sergeant Timothy Gramins my choice was cemented.

For those who haven't heard of what happened... Gramins was in pursuit of a suspect who stopped, jumped out of his car and immediately started shooting at Gramins in his car. He drew his Glock 21 handgun chambered in .45acp and quickly got out. They circled his car firing at each other. In less then 60 seconds Gramins had been fired at 21 times from 2 handguns and fired 33 rounds back at his attacker.

Here is the kicker.. Gramins HIT his attacker 14 times, 6 of those rounds struck vital organs and yet the guy never went down and continued his attack! The attack continued until 3 consecutive head shots were made to the attacker when he looked under the car. He had taken vital shot in his heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney but continued attacking without slowing down until the head shots. His vital signs were still present even when EMS showed up where both were transported to ER where Gramins heard one doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!”  Roll Eyes NO drugs or alcohol were found in the attackers system!  Shocked Gramins now carries a crud load on 9mm while on duty.

The complete account can be read here and is worth reading! https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

I'm not saying one handgun caliber is better then another since ballistics between the top 3 (9, 40 & 45) are close enough. Since ballistics are so close however, I'll take my 17rd double stack 9mm mags in my Classic Walther PPQ over a 7 or 8 round .45 1911 (which I own and love shooting) or the slightly heavier but more costly 40S&W (which I'll never buy into) simply to carry more rounds. Sure double stack 45s are available but they are also bulkier, heavier and more expensive to buy (usually) and to shoot. I spend a lot of time in schools and other populated indoor "soft" areas which are the more popular areas for shooters. I don't ever expect to be in a situation but then neither did any of those who have been! I don't carry umpteen mags on me but if god forbid something were to take place I'd like to have more then 8rd mags on me. A single spare mag gives me 35rds on my body, well concealed and doesn't weigh me down. Toss in a 2nd mag for 52rds that's still concealable, though not quite as comfortable, for those days

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 05:25:17 AM »

I use 9mm because that's what my handgun is chambered for. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2016, 02:02:24 PM »

I use 9mm because that's what my handgun is chambered for. Smiley

Geez! Maybe that's why my .45 won't work at all.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2016, 04:41:18 PM »

I think you convinced me to buy a few more Mec-Gar magazines for my P226. Maybe the AR as well....
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2016, 09:01:21 PM »

A 22 is better than nothing. Why does this argument continue to be brought up. Carry what you're comfortable with. Open...concealed...whatever. As long as it's legal.
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Adrenolin
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 04:57:36 AM »

Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 05:41:51 PM »

Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
Believe it or not, the "sight" needs to be something that they can actually see, and believe to be a real firearm.  I have a TP-22 and and P3AT -- and I think that most teenage girls have bigger key fobs than these two guns.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2016, 08:56:06 AM »

Haven't carried a .22 but a .25 I have a few times. Why? No reason at all aside from the fact I wanted to that day. I do think for most situations just the sight of a firearm is enough and I've yet to meet anyone willing to stand there and be shot with a .22. Still, I'd rather a 9mm for sure if the day ever comes and I hope I nor any of you ever need to.
Believe it or not, the "sight" needs to be something that they can actually see, and believe to be a real firearm.  I have a TP-22 and and P3AT -- and I think that most teenage girls have bigger key fobs than these two guns.

A Ruger GP100 in 22 will solve that problem. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2016, 10:35:34 AM »

Not much like a Ruger Alaskan snub nosed revolver in .454 Casull then ehh?  Grin

Now.. if only I could find an IWB holster for it  Cheesy

6 rounds of real knock down power lol

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2016, 02:26:55 PM »

Not much like a Ruger Alaskan snub nosed revolver in .454 Casull then ehh?  Grin

Now.. if only I could find an IWB holster for it  Cheesy

6 rounds of real knock down power lol

I'm afraid my wrists would shatter after the first shot. Between arthritis and carpel tunnel I'd be a basket case. I do have a 357 3 inch, but typically use .38 Special. I'm intrigued by the higher calipers, but I'll allo other's to shoot them and tell me about the experience. Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2016, 08:24:45 PM »

I love the .454 which has some manageable loads and then yeah, others that would shatter a wrist for some. Wife absolutely loves the Alaskan and .45 long colt rounds. I prefer the heavy rounds. It's the one firearm I own that I don't allow others to fire at the range.  Grin
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