Author Topic: Handgun Transport  (Read 5840 times)

Mr_G19

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
Handgun Transport
« on: December 17, 2016, 12:01:14 PM »
Some of the ranges I want to utilize are in PA so what are the rules (laws) on transporting a gun from my home in DE to a work location in PA and then going to the range after work?

The gun would be locked in a case in the trunk and the ammo in a separate bag (not locked) in the trunk, not in a magazine.

Thanks.

lynch

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 298
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2016, 12:22:11 PM »
Sounds like you’re good to go.
DE ccdw
PA  LTCF
Utah CFP
NRA member

PPScarry

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 451
  • del ccdw license holder - NRA member
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2016, 12:54:49 PM »
Did you get your PA concealed carry?
"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
 American Lexicographer

8thFA

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 235
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 12:37:49 AM »
Did you get your PA concealed carry?

Get your PA LTCF and you don't have to worry about it.
US Army veteran
Delaware CCDWP
PA LTCF
NCC

Mr_G19

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 04:17:26 PM »
Thanks for the responses. I'll look into getting the PA LTCP since that's recommended. Hopefully it's a relatively quick process.

Mr_G19

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 04:32:31 PM »
So after reading a little, it looks like I'd need my DE CCW to be processed for a NR LTCF in PA.  I currently don't have my DE CCW, so would the scenario posed in the original post be allowed or in violation of the law?

lynch

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 298
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 09:13:33 AM »
Sounds like you’re good to go.
Sorry, you have read correctly that you need a permit from PA or your home state. I wrongly assumed you had a ccdw.
DE ccdw
PA  LTCF
Utah CFP
NRA member

Clarence

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • Liberty and Independence
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 10:15:57 AM »
You transport an unloaded cased handgun to and from the range without a license.  Going to work in PA would be problematic.

If you have a permit or license from any state you may carry in your vehicle in PA. 
DE MD PA VA FL ccw. NRA Life Member. DSSA member. Sussex County

Quod non me necat me fortiorem facit.

Just Bill

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 11:28:03 PM »
Clarence, never heard of problems with unloaded, cased guns in PA.  Now NJ or Md is DIFFERENT, never do it there.
NRA Cert. Instructor Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun
NRA Lifer
NRA RSO
DE/PA CCDW permits
AGI certified gunsmith--Cowboy Action/1911/Glock/rifle/pistol/shotgun/rimfire
AGI Firearms Appraiser/FFL 01
AGI certified Master Gunsmith

Clarence

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • Liberty and Independence
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 12:14:06 AM »
Clarence, never heard of problems with unloaded, cased guns in PA.  Now NJ or Md is DIFFERENT, never do it there.
Actually Pennsylvania has just about the same law on having a handgun in your vehicle as Maryland and New Jersey.  

There are exceptions for unloaded cased handguns going to range, gunsmith, etc.   In PA also to and from a second home.  Otherwise you need a license just to have it in your vehicle.

Delaware is the only state in the area that you may routinely keep a handgun in your vehicle ( not concealed) without a license.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2016, 10:12:44 AM by Clarence »
DE MD PA VA FL ccw. NRA Life Member. DSSA member. Sussex County

Quod non me necat me fortiorem facit.

Clarence

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • Liberty and Independence
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2016, 11:15:38 PM »
This is the PA law related to firearms transport.  Confusingly, "firearms" in this part of the code are only handguns:

§ 6106.  Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a)  Offense defined.--
(1)  Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2)  A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(b)  Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1)  Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2)  Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3)  The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4)  Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5)  Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6)  Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7)  Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8)  Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9)  Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10)  Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11)  Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12)  A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13)  Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14)  A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15)  Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i)  The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii)  The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16)  Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).
DE MD PA VA FL ccw. NRA Life Member. DSSA member. Sussex County

Quod non me necat me fortiorem facit.

lynch

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 298
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2016, 09:05:07 AM »
Doesn't this cover it?
Quote
Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1)  Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2)  Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3)  The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
DE ccdw
PA  LTCF
Utah CFP
NRA member

Clarence

  • Life Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • Liberty and Independence
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 10:05:19 AM »
Doesn't this cover it?
Quote
Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1)  Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2)  Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3)  The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
Yes it does for target shooting, but the OP was also going to work in PA prior to shooting.

Note however exception 11 that if you have ANY license or permit you can carry in a vehicle, so a Florida or whatever license would be good for carrying in vehicle even if not reciprocal . This is why you may carry in vehicle on your way up to get your PA license. ( you have your Delaware)
« Last Edit: December 22, 2016, 10:11:19 AM by Clarence »
DE MD PA VA FL ccw. NRA Life Member. DSSA member. Sussex County

Quod non me necat me fortiorem facit.

Mr_G19

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
Re: Handgun Transport
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2016, 12:14:29 PM »
Thanks for the info guys. I'll make sure not to have any intermediate stops and just keep it to and from my home and the range.