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Section 20, Delaware's Right to keep and Bear Arms.
« on: April 12, 2018, 01:25:31 AM »
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Delaware’s Own Right to Keep and Bear Arms

April 9, 2018 By Jeff Hague

By John C. Sigler*

There has been much discussion in recent days about the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, what it means, its origin and its application in today’s society.  One recent letter published in this paper opined that the Founding Fathers had no concept of today’s firearms or today’s society, implicitly inferring that the United States Supreme Court in both the Heller and McDonald decisions simply got it wrong. While it is tempting to respond to that argument, it is not necessary to do so, because here in Delaware we enjoy our own Constitution with its own, more modern, and much more expansive guarantee of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

Article I Section 20 was added to our Delaware Constitution in 1987 and reads as follows: “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreation”.

The Delaware Supreme Court has analyzed and ruled upon the meaning and history of that provision in two relatively recent cases, Doe v. Wilmington Housing Authority in 2014, and Bridgeville Rifle & Pistol Club v. Small in 2017. From those two decisions we learn the following:

    The Second Amendment is a floor below which our State may not legally proceed, but above which our State may go in terms of protecting the fundamental rights of its citizens;
    “Delaware has a long history, dating back to the Revolution, of allowing responsible citizens to lawfully carry and use firearms in our state”;
    “On its face, the Delaware Constitution is intentionally broader than the Second Amendment”;
    “Like citizens of our sister states at the founding, Delaware citizens understood that the ‘right of self-preservation’ permitted a citizen to ‘repe[l] force by force’ when ‘the intervention of society in his behalf, may be too late to prevent an injury’”;
    “The General Assembly’s stated purpose in enacting the constitutional amendment in 1987 was to ‘explicitly protect the traditional right to keep and bear arms’ which it defined in the text of the amendment” which now stands as Art. I Sec. 20; and
    “Article I Section 20 of the Delaware Constitution is an independent source for recognizing and protecting the right to keep and bear arms.”

By dissecting or parsing the plain language of Art. I Sec. 20, we note that there is a right to “keep” arms and another right to “bear” arms. We know from various cases that “keep” means to “possess” or “own”, and that “bear” means to “transport” or “carry”.

We then note that there are a total of six activities listed in Art. I Sec. 20 for which a person may constitutionally and legally “keep” and/or “bear” arms: (1) defense of self; (2) defense of family; (3) defense of home; (4) defense of State (meaning Delaware); (5) hunting; and (6) recreation. So, putting it all together, by adopting those twenty-three simple words contained in Article I Section 20, the Delaware General Assembly effectively protected twelve separate, distinguishable, and defensible rights for the citizens of the State of Delaware.

Looking at the legislative history of this provision, it is abundantly clear that in 1987 those men and women of modern times, when passing this provision, not once but twice, in two consecutive General Assemblies knew exactly what they were doing – and they did so knowing full well the range of modern arms and contemporary uses they were protecting.

They were fully cognizant of modern firearms of the time such as the Colt AR-15 semi-automatic sporting rifle and the Glock semi-automatic pistol, and with the standard capacity magazines that were the normal equipment for both. They also knew that felons and the mentally ill did not have the same rights as others and that Delaware had years ago already banned the ownership and possession of machine guns and true assault weapons. They also had no intention of changing any of those laws, and they knew that their passage of Article I Section 20 would have no effect on those pre-existing protective provisions.

Delawareans need not worry about what the Founding Fathers of our country may have known at the time the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, because Delaware’s fundamental right to keep and bear arms was codified in modern times and was intended to apply to today’s society and to today’s citizens who are “keeping” and “bearing” arms “for defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreation.” It is within this context that Delaware’s legislators will consider the measures currently pending before them.

Article XIV§1 of our Delaware Constitution contains the oath each member of the General Assembly takes upon assuming office. With that oath, each legislator acknowledges “that the powers of this office flow from the people”; “always to place the public interests above any special or personal interests”; “to respect the right of future generations to share the rich and historic and natural heritage of Delaware”; and to “always uphold and defend the Constitutions of my Country and my State, so help me God”.

The members of our Delaware General Assembly are all good and conscientious people. I trust that each of them will act with fidelity to their oaths of office and give full force and effect to our Constitution as they consider and vote upon SB 163 and HS#1 for HB 330, and all such similar measures as may come before them.

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Now, after reading this opinion article do you think there may be a chance og challenging the proposed hi-cap mag ban and the assault rifle ban based on the fact that both were common ans standard when the Section 20 was added to the Delaware Constitution in 1987.

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For those who may not know John Seigler, this is from Wikpedia.

John C. Sigler is a former Chairman of the Republican State Committee of Delaware and a former President of the National Rifle Association (NRA), an American gun-owners' rights organization. He succeeded Sandra Froman in 2007, and was the organization's 59th President since it was founded in 1871. He was succeeded by Ron Schmeits in 2009, after his second term.

Sigler was born in 1945, joined the NRA in 1970, and became a life member in 1977. In 1996 he was elected to the NRA board of directors, and since 1997 he has served on the NRA Executive Committee. In 2005 Sigler was elected as the NRA First Vice President, and was named the President at the April 2007 Annual Meetings in St. Louis.

Sigler served in the US Navy from 1967 to 1971 on the USS George Bancroft (SSBN-643) and USS Hardhead (SS-365). He served on the Dover, Delaware Police Department from 1972 to 1991 where he retired as the department's captain. He now works as a lawyer in Maryland and Delaware. Sigler's education includes a degree in criminal justice administration from Wilmington University, a master of arts in business from Central Michigan University, and a Juris Doctor with honors from Widener University School of Law.
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Re: Section 20, Delaware's Right to keep and Bear Arms.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 02:03:52 AM »
IMHO, the "floor below" that John Sigler mentions is this paragraph that is at the bottom of Article I directly under §20:
WE DECLARE THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS ARTICLE IS RESERVED OUT OF THE GENERAL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT HEREINAFTER MENTIONED.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 10:09:16 AM »
John Sigler gave a great talk last night at Talleyville.  Great crowd too.   We have work to do.  Get out there and contact those politicians.  Do it now!
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 11:40:38 AM »
Going to write Larry Mitchell after seeing new messages here.
Went to the public comment in '13 and spoke against it.
Guess we'll do so again.

Unfortunately, he's elected to represent my district.


Email sent.....

Dear Mr. Mitchell,

Hope this finds you well.

I am requesting you do NOT sponsor, cosponsor, or vote in favor of ANY anti gun related Bills.

I would like you to take the time to answer a question, why is there an exclusion for active AND RETIRED police?
Why is there a need for the police active or retired police to have more than 10 rounds?  Please explain why there is an
exclusion for YOURSELF (retired police) and not me.

Looking forward to your reply.

Radnor
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Dear Governor Carney,

Hope this finds you well.

I am AGAINST any and ALL Bills banning certain firearms or magazines.

We have a CRIME problem.  I have 2 questions for you that I hope you will take the time to answer.

1.  What law can we pass that a CRIMINAL will follow?
2. Other than a LAW-ABIDING citizen, who will the anti-gun bill impact?

Looking forward to your reply.

Radnor
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 11:41:20 AM »
Excellent letter Radnor. 

As for the state constitution it is only as good as the judges that interpret it.

We won the state Parks case 3-2.  Two of the judges in the dissenting opinion stated basicly that Article 20, the state right to keep and bear arms was invalid because the NRA pushed for and supported it.  A very dangerous
Legal opinion.

Our rights hang by a thread.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 04:40:12 PM »
Actually received a reply....  WHOOT WHOOT!

Sent this most recently.

Dear Mr. Mitchell,
(CC: Sen Delcollo)

I've sent several emails to you expressing my opposition to the ANTI GUN BILLS and ended them "Looking forward to your reply".
I am STILL waiting on your reply.

So, here is a new question for you....  Do you IGNORE all of the people in YOUR VOTING district?

Below are 2 of the emails I am waiting for your reply on.

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Hope this finds you well.
I do not believe this Bill is significantly different than 1456.


But, what you could amend this Bill with is an affirmative defense if a firearm is stolen
from a locked vehicle.  Since we cannot have a firearm in certain places we'd have to
store it temporarily out of sight in a vehicle.
Looking forward to your reply.  Also, still waiting for your reply to my email RE: magazine ban.
(I'm sure I will get a reply from Rep. Spiegelman.  I usually do and he's not my Representative UNFORTUNATELY).


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I am requesting you do NOT sponsor, cosponsor, or vote in favor of ANY anti gun related Bills.


I would like you to take the time to answer a question, why is there an exclusion for active AND RETIRED police?

Why is there a need for the police active or retired police to have more than 10 rounds?  Please explain why there is an exclusion for YOURSELF (retired police) and not me.


Looking forward to your reply.

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ANTHONY,

Good job last night!

When they said about you 5 years ago, wanted to shout out "CAMPING WITH HIS BOY SCOUT TROOP!"
But time flies....  That was a little more than 5 years ago.

Radnor


Mitchell's reply:
Good Afternoon Mr. Radnor,

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this topic. I am receiving quite a bit of feedback from constituents on this bill and doing my best to respond to all of it, so I apologize for the delay in getting back to you.

In regards to your question on the exemption for active and retired law enforcement officers: Retired law enforcement officers are still required to go through the same yearly background check, and are also required to satisfactorily pass an intense firearm qualification yearly with standards established by the Council on Police Training. Essentially, they have the same standards as active law enforcement officers. I would also like to point out that law enforcement officers have arrested many people, and some of those people still carry grudges once they are released from correctional facilities.

I hope this explains my perspective on the issue. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Thank you,

J. Larry Mitchell
State Representative


MY REPLY


Dear Mr. Mitchell,

Then is should state those RETIRED officers who are authorized to carry under HB218.

I think it should have a provision to allow CCDW holders to be exempt.  As we go through background checks to keep our permits.  Plus, I'm sure if my name came across as being a criminal, the court would pull my permit.  In addition, I train WEEKLY and through the course of the year am willing to bet I expend far more rounds then those qualifying under the LEOSA act.

Yes, throughout their careers they may have put many have arrested many criminals.  These are the SAME criminal who  have no regard for the law we law-abiding citizens may have to encounter.  Those issued CCDW permits are some of the most LAW-ABIDING citizens around.  They took the time to train and meet all of the requirements to obtain the permit, they WILL NOT do anything to jeopardize it.

Looking forward to your reply.


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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 04:43:10 PM »
It's time to keep on them.  Keep the letters, email, and phone calls going!!!
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 10:30:27 PM »
Radnor:   Nice letter but I disagree on carve outs for police, CCDW holders or anyone else.  Either we have rights or we don't. Carve outs only serve to divided us
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 12:36:30 PM »
Radnor:   Nice letter but I disagree on carve outs for police, CCDW holders or anyone else.  Either we have rights or we don't. Carve outs only serve to divided us
Agree. Divide and conquer.  Only upside is the incentive to get a CCDW permit.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 09:15:59 PM »
Radnor:   Nice letter but I disagree on carve outs for police, CCDW holders or anyone else.  Either we have rights or we don't. Carve outs only serve to divided us

Well...  Hoping if it is amended to come a little more to our side, it will be the poison pill to kill it.  Sorta like the amendments to Henry's Bill.
Someone said she was pissed and tabled the Bill. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 12:50:50 PM »
Dick Heller was a policeman, the carveouts for Leo are a cya to prevent a reason for supreme court to easily overturn