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Condition 1:
--- Quote from: Hawkeye on October 10, 2014, 12:03:53 AM ---I don't care if you carry open or concealed as long as you carry. I do both. The targeting of an open carrier during a robbery is not a valid argument. That goes along with the "shoot me first" vest myth you hear about. Studies with inmates have shown that when they see an open carrier they will USUALLY move on to another target. I think the reason this is a story is because it goes against the norm. That being said however, BG's are getting bolder and changing their tactics. We might see this happen more and more.
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We just have to agree to disagree. I find the argument of being a target valid. Do you have source for the studies you mention?
Hawkeye:
--- Quote from: Condition 1 on October 10, 2014, 12:16:27 AM --- Do you have source for the studies you mention?
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It is mentioned in one of my books. I will look for it when I get back into town Monday.
Hawkeye:
I do not know if this is the same study I was referring to from a book I have but it says pretty much the same thing. While this study does not mention open carry specifically it does refer to the criminals knowing if their intended victim is armed.
--- Quote ---Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."
A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."
The data suggest that criminals may be a little more concerned about being caught by police and imprisoned than about being shot, but meeting the armed citizen clearly elicited fears of being shot. That deterrent effect of citizen gun ownership appeared in their responses to questions about actual encounters. Although 37% of those surveyed admitted that they personally had "run into a victim who was armed with a gun," that figure surpassed the 50% mark for armed criminals, an experience shared by 57% of the active gun predators. And 34% of the sample admitted to having been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim."
Significantly, almost 40% said there was at least one time when the criminal "decided not to do a crime because [he] knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun." Clearly, armed citizens represent a real threat to criminals, a threat with which large numbers are personally familiar, or familiar with through the shared experiences of their fellow outlaws.
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http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2003/the-armed-criminal-in-america.aspx
I am not trying to convince someone to open carry or to justify why I or others do it. It is my personal choice just as how you carry is your personal choice. As I said, as long as you carry.
TwistedKarma:
You have a nice car, they see it , and want to steel it.
You have expensive sneekers, they see it, and steel it,
Phone,
Jacket,
watch.
wow, tho, ballsy with the gun thing tho.
But when you flash, they want your cash.
Condition 1:
Hawkeye, I've seen that. Also there was a TV show reporting the same thing a while back. The reference though has nothing todo with OC but for houses they may think it is armed, etc. The argument is always the same, IMO. Someone OCing will most likely be a target for being shot first or taken their gun away during a criminal activity. I will grant if the criminal knows someone is carrying a gun and don't think they would have an element of surprise they would walk away, but this is also another argument as the good guy would need the element of surprise on his side.
Please don't take me wrong, as I know this doesn't apply to you. My view of OC is the majority (not all) being cowboys wanna be, in need of attention, etc. I would walk away from any pubic places (except gun stores, ranges, hiking, your own property, etc.) where people are OCing. I do think a great number of OCers have no firearm training. I would love DE had a cheaper, more accessible way for people to get their licenses.
--- Quote from: Hawkeye on October 10, 2014, 02:40:44 AM ---I do not know if this is the same study I was referring to from a book I have but it says pretty much the same thing. While this study does not mention open carry specifically it does refer to the criminals knowing if their intended victim is armed.
--- Quote ---Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."
A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."
The data suggest that criminals may be a little more concerned about being caught by police and imprisoned than about being shot, but meeting the armed citizen clearly elicited fears of being shot. That deterrent effect of citizen gun ownership appeared in their responses to questions about actual encounters. Although 37% of those surveyed admitted that they personally had "run into a victim who was armed with a gun," that figure surpassed the 50% mark for armed criminals, an experience shared by 57% of the active gun predators. And 34% of the sample admitted to having been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim."
Significantly, almost 40% said there was at least one time when the criminal "decided not to do a crime because [he] knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun." Clearly, armed citizens represent a real threat to criminals, a threat with which large numbers are personally familiar, or familiar with through the shared experiences of their fellow outlaws.
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http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2003/the-armed-criminal-in-america.aspx
I am not trying to convince someone to open carry or to justify why I or others do it. It is my personal choice just as how you carry is your personal choice. As I said, as long as you carry.
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